KC Sports radio - loss is on Mahomes but it took Bills and Bengals to take the Chiefs out of the SB

[dma0034]

12 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

Kind of feel like Jackson is falling off the top tier list with the other guys.  Teams have figured out that if you contain his running and make  him throw outside the numbers, he is very controllable.  I feel like the other 4 are significantly better than he is.

 

 

I don't disagree which is why I put very good. I look at him in the same way I look at Murray, Stafford, and Prescott. They are all good but something is holding them back from being in that upper tier.

[Dan Darragh]

12 minutes ago, zow2 said:

That last 30:05 of the game was so weird.  I did notice that Mahomes had chances to run, and yet he'd spin around and run backwards instead.  He looked really slow and his arm looked weak.  Contrast that to the Buffalo game when he looked really fast and his arm was strong and deadly.

 

Clearly the matchups matter.  KC matches up well with Buffalo,  they do not match up well with Cinci.  

You guys can all thank me.  I missed the first half and tuned in just in time for that last play of the second quarter.  I put the chill on Mahomes.

[BuffaloBillyG]

9 minutes ago, TH3 said:

FFS….is EVERY thread going to just turn into the same thing?

[Albany,n.y.]

58 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Leslie Frazier HAS TO GO

 

I'm sure there are KC fans overracting too & are calling for the firing of Reid & all his assistants today.  

If you think the Bills coaches blew it, imagine if we had blown an 18 point lead including letting the clock run out at the end of the 1st half without putting any points on the board.  

I've already heard someone on WFAN say KC's 2nd half was the worst coaching he's ever seen.  Imagine what they're saying on KC sports radio.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I've already heard someone on WFAN say KC's 2nd half was the worst coaching he's ever seen. 

Wow.  They do have short memories in NYC.  Must be how the phrase 'New York minute' evolved.

[billsfanmiamioh]

1 hour ago, Cray51 said:

Similar to the fears Bills fans had about the team coming out flat after the Patriots game.  Dont get too high or too low.

 

I think was really happened was the Bengals adjusting their D and Mahomes went back to forcing plays over and over again.  And they abandoned their screen game that has worked so well towards the end of the year.

This narrative i keep seeing is just silly. KC thought the game was over and got sloppy and unfocused. They crapped their pants. The Bengals didn’t suddenly change defensive philosophies at halftime. Halftime adjustments are one of the biggest myths in football. The guys barely to have time to take a piss, get some fluids, talk to their position coach / coordinator for 5 min then head back out. The notion that coaches re-scheme the gameplan at halftime is just wrong. 

[WotAGuy]

35 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I can't find their game thread anymore which was really a thing of beauty.

 

Wait, found it.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=342285&page=162

 

 

 

“JFC he's not Josh Allen”

😂

[Cheektowaga Chad]

3 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I'm sure there are KC fans overracting too & are calling for the firing of Reid & all his assistants today.  

If you think the Bills coaches blew it, imagine if we had blown an 18 point lead including letting the clock run out at the end of the 1st half without putting any points on the board.  

I've already heard someone on WFAN say KC's 2nd half was the worst coaching he's ever seen.  Imagine what they're saying on KC sports radio.  

The bills loss was more heart breaking but the loss kc just had was way worse

 

Blew an 18 pt lead at home with numerous chances to put it away and just couldn't its a bad loss 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, LeviF said:

Tbh I don't think that's the worst analysis out there. There were other issues but these things could have contributed. 

 

Even after all of that though, they had the ball in OT with the chance to end it without Burrow touching the ball in the fifth period.

 

Was it just me or did Mahomes look like Josh Allen circa 2018-2019 running around back there for much of the second half??

 

When he fumbled after getting sacked for like a 20 yard loss and the offensive lineman recovers to allow them to tie it with a long FG, it reminded me of Allen in the Colt playoff game last year near the end of the game...

[0017]

1 hour ago, dma0034 said:

The AFC is going to be so difficult to win going forward. With Mahomes, Allen, Burrows, Herbert and Jackson potentially being playoff opponents every year (that's not including the possibility of Rodgers coming to the AFC or Lawrence/Jones becoming good). It could potentially be a Slugfest. You could have an AFC playoff picture that has: Allen, Burrows, Herbert, Jackson, Rodgers, Mahomes and Carr in next year and you are going to have to beat 2 maybe 3 verd good/elite QBs to get into the SB.

Don’t forget about Watson. 😂

[Success]

11 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I'm sure there are KC fans overracting too & are calling for the firing of Reid & all his assistants today.  

If you think the Bills coaches blew it, imagine if we had blown an 18 point lead including letting the clock run out at the end of the 1st half without putting any points on the board.  

I've already heard someone on WFAN say KC's 2nd half was the worst coaching he's ever seen.  Imagine what they're saying on KC sports radio.  

 

Yeah - their collapse actually DID make me feel a little better about our collapse.

 

I mean, they were at home, had that lead, AND a chance to add to it before the half.  KC blew that game, and Mahomes doesn't seem quite as invincible today.

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

And won the OT coin toss.  Not that I am adding salt to any wounds.

[CA OC Bills Fan]

57 minutes ago, Bleedbuffaloblue said:

To me Reid is as much to blame as anyone. He got greedy at the end of the half. You take the FG with that little time left and no timeouts. You head to the locker room up 24-3 and get the ball to start the second half. Everything staying the same  in the second half that FG they kicked at the end of regulation would have been for the win not for overtime.

 

 

To me, the issue at the end of the half was the play call. They had time for a quick throw into the end zone and still had time for a FG if it's incomplete. By throwing it to where the receiver had to run into the end zone was a guarantee that they didn't have a FG chance if he couldn't get in for the TD.

[Rubes]

13 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said:

This narrative i keep seeing is just silly. KC thought the game was over and got sloppy and unfocused. They crapped their pants. The Bengals didn’t suddenly change defensive philosophies at halftime. Halftime adjustments are one of the biggest myths in football. The guys barely to have time to take a piss, get some fluids, talk to their position coach / coordinator for 5 min then head back out. The notion that coaches re-scheme the gameplan at halftime is just wrong. 

 

While I do agree with you that halftime adjustments are overblown for the most part, I think there's something to it in this game. The Bengals started out mostly in man defense and were getting destroyed; later on, they switched to more zone and things settled down. The problem is that they basically dared KC to run the ball, and for whatever reason the Chiefs decided to just keep throwing it. It was an adjustment by Cincy that had its risks, but because KC stuck to what had been working for them and *didn't* adjust, it worked out for Cincy in the end.

 

Just now, CA OC Bills Fan said:

To me, the issue at the end of the half was the play call. They had time for a quick throw into the end zone and still had time for a FG if it's incomplete. By throwing it to where the receiver had to run into the end zone was a guarantee that they didn't have a FG chance if he couldn't get in for the TD.

 

Agree...though it was only partially the play call. He was looking to the end zone but couldn't find anything. What Mahomes did then was a complete mental breakdown, no other way to put it. He even thought he had a timeout left!

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Reid's blood sugar went out of whack?

 

[TheBrownBear]

32 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Was it just me or did Mahomes look like Josh Allen circa 2018-2019 running around back there for much of the second half??

 

When he fumbled after getting sacked for like a 20 yard loss and the offensive lineman recovers to allow them to tie it with a long FG, it reminded me of Allen in the Colt playoff game last year near the end of the game...

Yeah, I texted that to my folks during the game.  Multiple times where he completely turned his back to the defense while running backwards and often right into rushing lineman.  His final play in regulation is maybe the worst I've ever seen from an experienced, HOF QB in his prime (though I'm sure Favre had a bunch that were similar...lol).  It was so situationally braindead.  I couldn't believe it.

Edited January 31, 2022 by TheBrownBear

[muppy]

I think there is a Lot of truth in this thread.  I used the expression "The Bills game softened the chiefs for the bengals" It would appear the softening was not so much physical as mental......and for many reasons already stated. Every play in the 2nd half will be 2nd guessed ad infinitum  by their fanbase and every excuse spoken. Working through shock and grief of what would/could/should have been...seems like a familiar tale of processing just what they just saw...and why.

 

Mahomes' cage has been rattled oh yes. We shall see how mentally tough he is moving forward and how much he will learn from this. From near diety status to Bum in one week.

 

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[TPS]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said:

I don't know so much about this take.  KC came out fired up and ready to play.  They were an absolute machine until the end of half gaffe by Mahomes/Reid.  I think that sort of took the sails out of their wind.  In the second half they looked almost disinterested or like a team who thought they could turn it on when they needed to at the end.  Goes to show you how quickly a game can change and that once you lose momentum it's hard to lock in and wrestle it back - even for the best of teams.  That's why I've always believed that you should put the pedal to the medal the entire game the way we did against the Pats.  You take a breather and you're inviting in what you saw yesterday from the Chiefs.

This is exactly what I said to my buddies in our group text for the game, that once they went up 21-3, they became disinterested because they thought it was a cake-walk at that point.  There was a play or two where it looked like Kelce simply stopped playing when he thought the ball wasn't coming to him (that last sack of Mohomes in regulation being one).  People under-estimate the mental aspect of sports, yet this happens all the time.

[Charles Romes]

1 hour ago, dma0034 said:

The AFC is going to be so difficult to win going forward. With Mahomes, Allen, Burrows, Herbert and Jackson potentially being playoff opponents every year (that's not including the possibility of Rodgers coming to the AFC or Lawrence/Jones becoming good). It could potentially be a Slugfest. You could have an AFC playoff picture that has: Allen, Burrows, Herbert, Jackson, Rodgers, Mahomes and Carr in next year and you are going to have to beat 2 maybe 3 verd good/elite QBs to get into the SB.

Rodgers is not coming to the AFC BECAUSE of the quartback logjam in the AFC. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

This is exactly what I said. It was a question of emotion, not matchups with the Bengals.

Edited January 31, 2022 by Giuseppe Tognarelli

[Rubes]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

The beer or the board?

 

ok twist my arm. Coffee for now but I’m in.

 

I don't often do it but I had to take a look. I have to admit, it was pretty therapeutic.

 

[YoloinOhio]

8 minutes ago, Rubes said:

 

I don't often do it but I had to take a look. I have to admit, it was pretty therapeutic.

 

I didn’t think I could feel worse than I did this past week, but if the Bills had won that game in epic fashion for the right to host the AFCCG, gone out to a 21-3 lead at the half with the whole stadium thinking we are on our way to the SB… and then collapsing in front of the home crowd? Mostly due to the QB imploding? Infinitely worse feeling than losing in OT on the road in spite of a pretty flawless performance from the QB. At least they have their SB trophy from 3 years ago to fall back on. But they seem to not care about that anymore. 

Edited January 31, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Billsfan1972]

No idea the rest of this thread, but at least they have plenty of blame to go around.

 

That's what Bills fans wanted (heavy sarcasm).....  However we really only have 13 seconds to complain about.

[Freddie's Dead]

Thanks, this makes me feel so much better.  🤬

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 hour ago, Bleedbuffaloblue said:

To me Reid is as much to blame as anyone. He got greedy at the end of the half. You take the FG with that little time left and no timeouts. You head to the locker room up 24-3 and get the ball to start the second half. Everything staying the same  in the second half that FG they kicked at the end of regulation would have been for the win not for overtime.

 

 

Yep.

 

Adhere to the old axiom, playoff points are precious, take them when you can, ridiculous to go for a TD at that point.  What where they doing, try to prove a point how great they are?

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

They had just played this team a few weeks ago and the bengals came back from 14 down 3 separate times. The chiefs only scored 3 points in the 2nd half in that game too. Amazing that they collapsed the way they did in the 2nd half having already just going through that with the same team while staring at the possibility of going to 3 straight SB. The QB clearly wasn’t the same guy in the 2nd half but Andy Reid also had a history of choking with big leads.  I feel like they were too arrogant about who they were after beating the Bills the way they did and looking so good in the 1st half vs cincy. 
 

Reid got outcoached by Zac effing Taylor. 

 

Reid got outcoached by Reid...He has a tendency to over value his offensive creativity...against he Bills,  3rd and 1 he takes ball out of Mahomes hand and runs some wildcat option play...ends up with field goal and the Bills are have life.

 

[Billsfan1972]

5 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

 

Reid got outcoached by Reid...He has a tendency to over value his offensive creativity...against he Bills,  3rd and 1 he takes ball out of Mahomes hand and runs some wildcat option play...ends up with field goal and the Bills are have life.

 

Again if McD & the Bills didn't screw up those 13 seconds, that would have been KC talk radio last Monday.

[thunderingsquid]

Another thing that was mentioned by a lot of podcasters but not a lot of the media was how the Bungles played him perfectly - rush three and use a spy.  

 

Mad props to the Cincy DC Lou Anaroumo.

[eball]

2 hours ago, dma0034 said:

The AFC is going to be so difficult to win going forward. With Mahomes, Allen, Burrows, Herbert and Jackson potentially being playoff opponents every year (that's not including the possibility of Rodgers coming to the AFC or Lawrence/Jones becoming good). It could potentially be a Slugfest. You could have an AFC playoff picture that has: Allen, Burrows, Herbert, Jackson, Rodgers, Mahomes and Carr in next year and you are going to have to beat 2 maybe 3 verd good/elite QBs to get into the SB.

 

Iron sharpens iron.

 

[CookieG]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

They had just played this team a few weeks ago and the bengals came back from 14 down 3 separate times. The chiefs only scored 3 points in the 2nd half in that game too. Amazing that they collapsed the way they did in the 2nd half having already just going through that with the same team while staring at the possibility of going to 3 straight SB. The QB clearly wasn’t the same guy in the 2nd half but Andy Reid also had a history of choking with big leads.  I feel like they were too arrogant about who they were after beating the Bills the way they did and looking so good in the 1st half vs cincy. 
 

Reid got outcoached by Zac effing Taylor. 

I think the first game against CIncy played the biggest role.  You're right, Cinci came back 3 time from a 2 TD deficit.  And they came back from a 17-0 halftime deficit to win.

 

I really believe they went for the TD because they were saying to themselves, "17-0 wasn't enough last time, we need to put the dagger in the heart right now".  And when it failed, the first seeds of doubt were planted in their heads.  The first series of the 2nd half looked like it increased that doubt.  It snowballed from there.

 

I don't know if that's overconfidence or disinterest, I see it as the opposite...lack of confidence and a fear of history repeating itself.  If anything, they might have been pushing too hard. Mahomes did all of that running in the backfield because he was looking to make the big play instead of taking the easier yards.  He does that often, obviously, but it really takes over when he thinks their back is up against the wall.  Its what he did earlier in the season, but it lessened as the season went on. 

 

It looked to me like the first Cinci game was in their heads from the end of the first half.

 

And I saw that same look in Warren Moon's eyes during the 2nd half of the comeback game.

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said:

Another thing that was mentioned by a lot of podcasters but not a lot of the media was how the Bungles played him perfectly - rush three and use a spy.  

 

Mad props to the Cincy DC Lou Anaroumo.

Media knows the NFL gospel: you don’t criticize Pat Mahomes. You don’t suggest there is a “ formula “ to stop him. Josh would be getting skewered today if he played like that for an entire half. 

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

  Imagine what they're saying on KC sports radio.  

ummm…that’s what this thread and the OP is about. 

[YoloinOhio]

14 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said:

Another thing that was mentioned by a lot of podcasters but not a lot of the media was how the Bungles played him perfectly - rush three and use a spy.  

 

Mad props to the Cincy DC Lou Anaroumo.

I also think the Chiefs OL and DL looked worn down in the 2nd half. Their OL had been really good all year and all of a sudden allows 4 sacks with a 3 man rush and no Larry ogunjobi? The bengals OL is very bad all year and all of a sudden Chris Jones and Frank Clark can’t get to Burrow. I think they were on fumes or just didn’t want it enough. On a paper it’s a giant mismatch and looked that way in the 1st half. 

Edited January 31, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[SF Bills Fan]

I was listening to the main Austin sports talk radio this morning and they pinned the loss mostly on Mahommes. They said he looked completely confused and detached with his play. He was flipping the ball on several passes and the one led to the first INT. They did blame the coaching for mismanaging the final drive where the Chiefs ended up with the 1st and goal on the 5, yet were more concerned about eating up the clock rather than scoring because they felt that a TD was a forgone conclusion. The Bengals put up relentless pressure driving back Mahommes who seemingly couldn't understands that the Chiefs were not going to get an easy shovel pass type TD (makes you wonder what would have happened if we had put real pressure on Mahommes in those 13 seconds). 

 

I agree- the Chiefs got cocky and thought they had their ticket punched through to LA and a less talented but hungrier team did not lay down and let it happen. I don't think the Bills would have taken the Bengals for granted. 

[NewEra]

46 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I didn’t think I could feel worse than I did this past week, but if the Bills had won that game in epic fashion for the right to host the AFCCG, gone out to a 21-3 lead at the half with the whole stadium thinking we are on our way to the SB… and then collapsing in front of the home crowd? Mostly due to the QB imploding? Infinitely worse feeling than losing in OT on the road in spite of a pretty flawless performance from the QB. At least they have their SB trophy from 3 years ago to fall back on. But they seem to not care about that anymore. 

Amen brother!  I think I’m about to watch my first YouTube videos covering the 13 seconds.  Almost assuredly fast forwarding through any negative talk and only listening to some deserved 17 c**k s*****g

[Utah John]

2 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

Instead of specific reason, how about a general reason?  What's the record for teams following an OT win in the playoffs?  I forget exactly but it is horrendous, something like 1 - 11.  Generally, it's hard to win an OT game in the playoffs and come back next week to win.  Bengals v. Bills in AFCCG would have been anything but a cakewalk.  It would have been a dogfight.  On top of that, who's going to cover Chase?

IIRC, during the game yesterday the announcer said no team had ever won two OT games in the playoffs, back to back.  And the reason is probably what you said.

[BuffaloBillyG]

Chiefs reserve DT Khalen Sunders (who?) sent this Tweet about an hour after their game last night.

 

1. Don't ever try and tell me that players take the losses as hard as fans.

 

2. Could you imagine the backlash had someone like Zack Moss or Tommy Doyle sent this message last week and hour after the Bills/Chiefs tilt? He'd be run out of the state.

 

 

[Nextmanup]

I don't see it as a 2 game combination that took KC out.

A few bounces didn't go their way against the Bengals and Mahomes had an uncharacteristically poor second half.

That's it.

Anything beyond that is just talk by fans.

 

 

[BRH]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

And won the OT coin toss.  Not that I am adding salt to any wounds.

 

The way the game ended made the crowd's roar upon winning the coin toss SO delicious.  They were convinced the game was over and they were headed to LA.

Best part is Nick Wright had to bring his kid on the show with him today because he couldn't handle the smoke.

[FilthyBeast]

One scenario I considered after the game last week is that the Chiefs beating the Bills was their SB, and in hindsight that very well may be the case because despite the fumes carrying over for a dominant 1st half against the Bengals they essentially ran out of gas on both sides of the ball in the 2nd half.

 

In reality though I think this was a matchup were coaching truly made a difference, in additional to the Bengals having real difference makers on the defensive side of the ball.