Are we over-reacting to the 13 seconds?

[QLBillsFan]

Just now, muppy said:

Im still sad about last sundays game. I have no idea how long this funk will last. BUT I saw this today and the sentiment made me feel a bit better so I'll share it here

 

 

 

Great teammate and great young man! However, it does not diminish the unconscionable game decisions that lost Bills this game. The players deserved better. Some of these guys will never have such an opening as this year.
Host AFC championship vs underdogs who have no idea the home field as Highmark would have presented. No super NFC team although Rams seem to be the team. Would have given Bills 55-60 % chance of winning SB. 

[The Wiz]

I know I'm probably in the major minority here, and probably proof that meds work, but the game left me feeling upset but not like I have in the past. 

 

I was over it an hour later and went on with my life. 

 

And for anyone that wants to say "I'm not a real Bills Fan" so be it.   Much more difficult things in my life I have to deal with compared to a football game. 

[BuffaloBaumer]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I know I'm probably in the major minority here, and probably proof that meds work, but the game left me feeling upset but not like I have in the past. 

 

I was over it an hour later and went on with my life. 

 

And for anyone that wants to say "I'm not a real Bills Fan" so be it.   Much more difficult things in my life I have to deal with compared to a football game. 

I think everyone feels that way..the problem is that the Bills are what distracts us from those bigger issues and brings us all together for a common goal. The coaches tore that away from us in 13 seconds.

[Mr. WEO]

It quickly became 100%.

 

 

[muppy]

Just now, QLBillsFan said:

Great teammate and great young man! However, it does not diminish the unconscionable game decisions that lost Bills this game. The players deserved better. Some of these guys will never have such an opening as this year.
Host AFC championship vs underdogs who have no idea the home field as Highmark would have presented. No super NFC team although Rams seem to be the team. Would have given Bills 55-60 % chance of winning SB. 

I guess Im TRYING to bogart offa #17 and his attitude , think positively and Move forward in my thinking. And I am grateful that we have THE key Piece the Bills have searched for for years and that is the Franchise QB.  All the woulda coulda shouldas in the world aren't going to change what did occur. And I agree with your post. At this point it is so much spilt milk. McD is going nowhere and we all have to just watch and wait as the loyal fanbase we are for the changes that WILL be occurring and  know our thoughts and opinions, although very heartfelt and genuine, mean absolutely squat in terms if what Will happen at 1bd. Im not trying to stifle the dialogue Im just expressing how my thoughts are going lately. *shrugs* The life of  an NFL fanatic. Live and and carry on until we do it all over again as long as we are here on earth. .....sorry for the blathering post.

 

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[saundena]

We are NOT overreacting simply because there are no guarantees in the NFL and this could have been our best chance to win the Superbowl.  What if something happens to Josh in the offseason- our chances to get back into the playoffs would take a SERIOUS nose dive.

 

I just hope we didn't waste our only opportunity w/ this regime because who would have ever thought that a guy like Rogers would only have one Superbowl appearance?   Past success does not guarantee future performance especially in a league where things change so quickly.

[papazoid]

over reacting to a complete abomination.....i dont think so

 

the brain trust isn't even smart enough to run some very valuable time off the clock and make it harder for opposing team

 

a squibb kick would have resulted in a fair catch at the 10 yard line ? (now an even greater chance of winning with a drive start further back ) or a return to the 25-30 with only 9 seconds left ? ( still a better chance of winning than 13 sec.)

 

then instead of defending every blade of grass ....they welcomed them to 15 free uncontested yards...not once, but twice. they should have blocked hill and kelse right at the line of scrimmage to slow their release....hell, even take a 5 yard holding penaly (wasting more seconds)

 

nope, i dont think this is over reacting.....mcclappity cost us the game right there......not to mention letting frazier play soft all game and daboll played timid until near the end of 3rd qtr

 

greatest coaching disaster in the history of the bills.......replaces the under utilization of thurman and clock mismanagement in SB vs giants

[The Wiz]

32 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I think everyone feels that way..the problem is that the Bills are what distracts us from those bigger issues and brings us all together for a common goal. The coaches tore that away from us in 13 seconds.

I understand. And yes it hurts. I know the reason it hurts so much more now is because we know these guys can do it vs the past 20 years but like Beane and others have said, we got a guy that is probably still growing toward his full potential and that's the silver lining that we can all hold out hope for. 

[Reks Ryan]

3 hours ago, arcane said:

I've felt less pain thinking of it as KC needing 2 plays to go at least 35 yards. They've done that countless times of course.

 

But it was still a big screw up

I tried that too, but it actually makes it worse.   The Bills didn't have a strategy to  defend to prevent 35 yards.   The played like they were trying to defend a TD.  On the last play to Kelce, they should have played defense like it was 4th & 15.    Instead they allowed him to run freely  for 25 yards without getting anywhere near him.

[FieldGeneral]

The only thing worse than blowing a lead with 13 seconds left would have been to only have lined up 10 players on defense. 

[papazoid]

1 minute ago, HOUSE said:

Lets review

 

https://vclock.com/set-timer-for-13-seconds/

 

felt like i was on death row

[HOUSE]

Lets review

 

https://vclock.com/set-timer-for-13-seconds/

 

[extrahammer]

You know that commercial ESPN had 20 years ago with the clay figures of Bills fans overreacting to a lead change before the game is over and then letting their hopes up? That commercial was true then as it is now, especially those overreacting and overanalyzing 13 seconds of a game that had 59 other minutes. 

 

Where was this when our oh great leader OC Daboll spent a week game planning for the Jaguars yet could only coordinate two field goals? 

Edited January 27, 2022 by extrahammer

[muppy]

I think a self imposed exile away from NFL football may be just the ticket for me to quit thinking about the ending of last weeks game. Its self imposed abuse y'all.

 

I won't have it in my life.  Yeah lets see how well that works HA......super bowl schmooper  bowl ,,may as well be toilet bowl Im not even thinking about That. yet.

 

*shrugs*

[SydneyBillsFan]

I would say a definitive NO!

 

It would be one thing if the Bills had no time outs left, then the Chiefs make two quick chunk plays and then nail the FG. I think that alone is bad enough from a defensive POV.

 

But the Bills took not one, but TWO time outs and still cocked it up. Which now takes it into the catastrophic category of both game management and defense. So it begs the question:

 

WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY DOING IN THE TWO TIMEOUTS - ORDERING A !@#$ PIZZA!!??

[extrahammer]

3 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

I would say a definitive NO!

 

It would be one thing if the Bills had no time outs left, then the Chiefs make two quick chunk plays and then nail the FG. I think that alone is bad enough from a defensive POV.

 

But the Bills took not one, but TWO time outs and still cocked it up. Which now takes it into the catastrophic category of both game management and defense. So it begs the question:

 

WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY DOING IN THE TWO TIMEOUTS - ORDERING A !@#$ PIZZA!!??

 

Speaking of pizza, Eric Moulds ordered a pizza before the Senior Bowl right before he was drafted by the Bills. I think it worked out well for him so what's wrong with them using 2 timeouts to order a pizza? There's a million roads to success. 

Edited January 27, 2022 by extrahammer

[Billsfan1972]

25 minutes ago, papazoid said:

over reacting to a complete abomination.....i dont think so

 

the brain trust isn't even smart enough to run some very valuable time off the clock and make it harder for opposing team

 

a squibb kick would have resulted in a fair catch at the 10 yard line ? (now an even greater chance of winning with a drive start further back ) or a return to the 25-30 with only 9 seconds left ? ( still a better chance of winning than 13 sec.)

 

then instead of defending every blade of grass ....they welcomed them to 15 free uncontested yards...not once, but twice. they should have blocked hill and kelse right at the line of scrimmage to slow their release....hell, even take a 5 yard holding penaly (wasting more seconds)

 

nope, i dont think this is over reacting.....mcclappity cost us the game right there......not to mention letting frazier play soft all game and daboll played timid until near the end of 3rd qtr

 

greatest coaching disaster in the history of the bills.......replaces the under utilization of thurman and clock mismanagement in SB vs giants

A lot of things went wrong that game, but that was over 60 minutes.....

 

Here all we expected was 13 seconds of coaching.....  3 plays, if they did one right, they win.

[FLFan]

Yes.  Going back in my hole now to re-emerge when rational thought returns. 

[Carptom1]

2 hours ago, ngbills said:

Completely different. Starting from the fact it took 16 seconds. First play took 9 so I doubt KC is thinking field goal with only 4 seconds left. 

 

The plays were completely different. Not here throw and run really quick with no one around you. Here do the same thing again. Once incompletion and its basically game no FG territory but Bills didnt even get close to the KC players. It is completely and utterly inexcusable, insane, atrocious and any other word to say how terrible a decision it was. 

The defense was horribly overmatched those last two plays. If you listen to Kelce’s mike he tells Hill what to do on the first play. Then he tells Mahomes what to do on the second. You can hear Mahomes yelling to him to do it, at that point he resets over and splits the defenders for 25 yards. Why any of those guys were allowed a free release is beyond me. The kickoff is not as big of an issue. The Hill pass earlier had them playing scared.

Edited January 27, 2022 by Carptom1

[Buffalo Boy]

5 hours ago, cv05 said:

• So I've heard the win probability thrown around that at the 13 second mark the chiefs had a 5%, 1 in 20, chance to win (according to ESPN)
• Assuming the game goes to overtime, before the coin flip, each team has a 50% chance to win (1 in 2)
• Ignoring the case where the chiefs win with a TD in regulation, a tie had a probability of about 10% ( (1/2)x(Tie Probability)= 1/20) 

 

The question - is getting upset about a 10% likely scenario (chiefs tie it in 13 seconds) really fair? It rains in LA 1 in 10 days 🤷‍♂️. Also, does the probability from ESPN (1 in 20) account for the state of the teams at that moment? Mahomes and Allen were having their way with tired defenses - maybe the likelihood of gaining ~40-45 yards in 12 seconds with 3 timeouts was actually pretty good, even better than 10%. I don't know - I think looking at it this way at least makes me feel a bit better.

 

I will out myself as being completely irrational over the last few days. I completely disagree with the defensive strategy, and was (to a lessor extent) against what happened with the kick. I have been just about as upset with McDermott as anyone. I had never been a huge fan (attributed team success to Allen, and McDermott more just getting in the way). But maybe we were up against more than we realized at that 13 second mark. I don't know - food for thought. 

    Our Head coach and all three of his coordinators crapped the bed at crucial moments.

    In other words, NO!

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

I know I'm probably in the major minority here, and probably proof that meds work, but the game left me feeling upset but not like I have in the past. 

 

I was over it an hour later and went on with my life. 

 

And for anyone that wants to say "I'm not a real Bills Fan" so be it.   Much more difficult things in my life I have to deal with compared to a football game. 

Same here, brother. I am fine and looking forward to a bright future with this team. 

1 hour ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

I think everyone feels that way..the problem is that the Bills are what distracts us from those bigger issues and brings us all together for a common goal. The coaches tore that away from us in 13 seconds.

No, they did not.

 

[LABILLBACKER]

14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Agreed…. The 13 second meltdown is all part of the process…. Just have to continue to trust it.

The process of stupidity 

[KOKBILLS]

No. If you're specifically talking about the game from that Kickoff till the KC FG to force overtime, the reaction is right where it should be. Because that was quite possibly the worst coached 13 seconds of Playoff football ever...It was brutal...

[MPT]

18 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Well, I think we covered that. As you said, we can agree to disagree. Cheers

 

You really don't see the difference between the Chiefs' players making spectacular plays despite NE covering them well and the Chiefs' players making routine catches because the Bills didn't cover them at all?

 

In the Pats game it took the Chiefs 16 seconds to run those two plays because the Patriots made it difficult for them. If we had done the same thing, they would have run out of time. Not to mention that the Bills' coaching staff should have been extra prepared for this moment specifically because the Chiefs had already done this against the Patriots.

[nucci]

No!

[starrymessenger]

No. Worse Bills loss ever imo. Wide right - stuff happens. Music City was more a fluke. This was suicide.

[Boatdrinks]

What transpired in that 13 seconds was so egregious, so unfathomably bad that overreaction may not be possible. One of the greatest days in the history of the franchise instantly became one of the worst. 

[Matt_In_NH]

I don't think so because the philosophy is surprising.  Kicking through the end zone and play 15 yards off the line.    The coaching staff has provided no reasonable explanation that most would be willing to accept if they explain why they did what they did.  They played the sidline and gave them the seam when they had timeouts.  It makes no sense.  They say execuction.....that could be players, could be more organizational (call to squib not getting to the kickoff team), we just dont know.  My read on it is they know they effed up from a playcalling stand point but dont want to throw anyone under the bus.

[extrahammer]

10 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

You really don't see the difference between the Chiefs' players making spectacular plays despite NE covering them well and the Chiefs' players making routine catches because the Bills didn't cover them at all?

 

In the Pats game it took the Chiefs 16 seconds to run those two plays because the Patriots made it difficult for them. If we had done the same thing, they would have run out of time. Not to mention that the Bills' coaching staff should have been extra prepared for this moment specifically because the Chiefs had already done this against the Patriots.

I think it's a bit far fetched to say that based on a 3 second differential, really splitting hairs at that point, different matchup, and even in that matchup, the Chiefs lost, so that example is bad because it came down to a flip of the coin that went NE's way. Were Chiefs fans saying that was the worst thing in their history? There were 59 other minutes in the game people are dismissing that could have affected and avoided the last 13 seconds. Truly. All of this focus on McD and the last 13 seconds is just to keep sports talk radio in the area alive. Truly. 

[st pete gogolak]

22 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

You really don't see the difference between the Chiefs' players making spectacular plays despite NE covering them well and the Chiefs' players making routine catches because the Bills didn't cover them at all?

 

In the Pats game it took the Chiefs 16 seconds to run those two plays because the Patriots made it difficult for them. If we had done the same thing, they would have run out of time. Not to mention that the Bills' coaching staff should have been extra prepared for this moment specifically because the Chiefs had already done this against the Patriots.

Hell, you don't have to go back to the Patriots game.  Chiefs did it to us in the FIRST HALF OF THIS GAME!  Got the ball with 37 seconds left in the first half and three timeouts and comfortably moved down the field until Mahones threw two incompletions and Butker doinked a 50 yard FG off the upright.  Maybe a squib or a pooch at the end of the first half was in order!

[ngbills]

18 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

Hell, you don't have to go back to the Patriots game.  Chiefs did it to us in the FIRST HALF OF THIS GAME!  Got the ball with 37 seconds left in the first half and three timeouts and comfortably moved down the field until Mahones threw two incompletions and Butker doinked a 50 yard FG off the upright.  Maybe a squib or a pooch at the end of the first half was in order!

13 seconds to tie the game and 37 seconds to end a half are night and day. 

[ShakAttack]

I'll just say this... for the vast majority of BILLS fans to be convinced that we won the game when Allen hit Davis with 13 seconds left - despite being a fan base that has learned to EXPECT disappointment over the years - that in itself proves that it was a miracle by KC and should have never happened.

[Greg S]

They would have been better off holding Hill and Kelce right from the snap. Sure its defensive holding and a 5 yard penalty. Chiefs have 1st down at the 30 but those precious seconds would tick off putting the Chiefs in desperation mode at that point.

[BullBuchanan]

This was the best game the Bills (or anyone) has ever played as far as I'm concerned. We had the perfect game the week before, but the pats no-showed, and we had the greatest comeback of all-time but the Oilers got complacent and it cost them.

The Chiefs fought us tooth and nail and had the game gone on an hour longer, i doubt it would have been more than a 1 score game.

I wanted them to win more than anything, but I haven't had that much fun watching football in over 15 years. I'd consider myself lucky if I got to see another game that good in my lifetime - even if it's another loss.

[Nextmanup]

18 minutes ago, Greg S said:

They would have been better off holding Hill and Kelce right from the snap. Sure its defensive holding and a 5 yard penalty. Chiefs have 1st down at the 30 but those precious seconds would tick off putting the Chiefs in desperation mode at that point.

They were discussing this the other day on the radio.  Apparently there is a rule that you can do that ONCE, but if you do it a second time it's a 15 yarder and the clock is reset to adjust for lost time! 

 

Never heard of that.

 

We still could have done it once!  Combine that with not screwing up the kick and there's your ball game.

 

Game would have ended most likely on a failed Hail Mary pass.

 

 

[zow2]

Josh Allen played the two best games, back to back in his life...and he's home watching the playoffs.  13 seconds will live in infamy. 

 

Thanks coaches for not having any clue on how to get the clock to show 0:00.  For having no foresight on the proper kickoff and for scheming the defense as if they were protecting the end zone, not for a FG. 

[Greg S]

7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

They were discussing this the other day on the radio.  Apparently there is a rule that you can do that ONCE, but if you do it a second time it's a 15 yarder and the clock is reset to adjust for lost time! 

 

Never heard of that.

 

We still could have done it once!  Combine that with not screwing up the kick and there's your ball game.

 

Game would have ended most likely on a failed Hail Mary pass.

 

 

 

Once was all we would have needed. It would have made their timeouts meaningless and it put them in a hail mary position from the 30. Cardinals game aside I doubt the Bills lose in that situation. Can Mahomes even reach the end zone from 70 yards out.

[Motor26]

Absolutely not. We should all be talking about beating the Bengals this week at Home. 

[Alphadawg7]

Yes.  Massive over reaction.  Things like:

• Fire McD - So stupid its barely worth mentioning.
• Fire Beane - Even dumber.
• Fire Farwell - Also dumb, we had one of the best ST units in the NFL this year.
• Do whatever it takes to get an elite DE - Our defensive pressure was not why we lost to KC, we got plenty of pressure on Mahomes but he was just on another level Sunday (like Allen) where it didn't matter, he was too elusive.  We had the same amount of Sacks as KC did, and yet they have three high end pass rushers on their team.  
  • And we were 5th in the NFL in defensive pressure and 10th in sacks.  So its foolish to now kill the cap and invest more draft assets again into the same position we just used 3 picks on in the first 2 rounds the last 2 years.  Let the young guys play and use those draft picks and whatever cap space we having on bolstering weaker areas like OL, CB Depth, and DT.  If our young guys are not getting the job done this year, then we know it may need to be addressed again the following offseason.
  • But you have to allow your guys time to develop, this instant gratification nonsense that fans have is ridiculous.  

The most ridiculous are the cries to fire McD, Beane, or Farwell.  As if making our team worse somehow makes us better just to satisfy some blood lust for someones head after the loss is ridiculous concept.   Hard to take anyone serious who feels like they are the weak link here.  Some fans just have this "I need blood" mentality when something doesn't go right, but all that does is LOWER our odds in 2022 to make another run because its VERY hard to find guys on the level of McD and Beane and much more likely to be not only a downgrade, but a significant one.  

 

Not to mention, we are already likely losing Daboll and Frazier, to have a full staff turnover right now would be beyond stupid.  

 

Yes, there seems there was a mistake made, not clear where, but a call for a squib quick was made and it didn't get to Bass.  But the players know Bass wasn't in the huddle and warming up, they should make sure he knows the call when he enters the game.  And I assure you that will be forever the case from here on out by both the coaches and teammates.  

 

But to blow up the staff that built us QUICKLY into a perennial SB contender over it is just absurd.  And to now over react

[LabattBlue]

It is one thing if a Bills defender came within a fingertip away of breaking up the pass to Kelce, but to have him wide open and nothing more than a simple throw and catch from Mahomes is downright embarrassing.  😞