Postgame Thread DAMMIT!

[PromoTheRobot]

😂😂😂😂

 

Edited January 24, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[Coffeesforclosers]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

😂😂😂😂

 

Coin Toss Alternate Josh Allen...

[PayDaBill$]

Absolutely heartbreaking!

 

1. Kelce gets off the line repeatedly unimpeded. Mind boggling!

 

2. You have so little faith in your special teams to track down a squib kick that you hand Mahomes the ball with 13 seconds and 3 timeouts and then play so soft you let them march upfield. Horrendous!

 

3. Offense and JA did there part, the defensive scheme lacked adjustments, we were abused in the short to mid field by Mahomes. He took advantage of everything we gave him.  D line alone didn’t get any pressure and we missed so many tackles. Played not to lose and lost. Too soft, no balls!

  I hope Frazier gets a job elsewhere. This defensive group were straight up pretenders!

 

 

Edited January 24, 2022 by PayDaBill$

[Solomon Grundy]

The refs didn't have the balls to make a taunting call on Hill when he was running into the end zone. I've seen it called this season.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

No fan should ever cry or feel self pitty over a Bills loss, it's not of their doing/fault.

 

Instead get angry at players and coaches for their ineptitude. Anger fades much quicker than sorrow.

I think feelings are real and people's feelings shouldn't repressed, mitigated, or changed. Own them and move on. I see nothing wrong with crying after such an emotional and tough loss. Everyone handles diversity differently.

 

Lastly, it's not always true that anger fades quicker than sorrow. That might be true in your case. I've seen people stay angry for years. We have some posters that have been angry for years at the Bill's and their organization. 

Edited January 24, 2022 by newcam2012

[Mat68]

2 drives stopped by running on 2nd and 3rd down.  2 lost drives and forced Buffalo to play catch up most of the way. The last 3 drives is where not having White finally showed up imo.  Allen played great.  Davis became our #2.  Going forward alot of positives.  Need to invest in cb.  Need another guy outside who can run.  Tough loss but the future is bright.  

Edited January 24, 2022 by Mat68

[Bleed Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:

Absolutely heartbreaking!

 

1. Kelce gets off the line repeatedly unimpeded.

 

2. You have so little faith in your special teams to track down a squib kick that you hand Mahomes the ball with 13 seconds and 3 timeouts and then play so soft you let them march upfield. Horrendous!

 

 

 

 

And all this with the knowledge that they have one of the best kickers in the league.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Bleed Bills Blue

[longtimebillsfan]

2 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

There are no gurantees, jusk ask Marino & Shula.

I think Shula won super bowls.

[Turk71]

10 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

No shame in that loss. None whatsoever. A missed opportunity...we'll get em next year.

Epic 13 second collapse in front of the world. I've never seen a defense play so soft or so stupidly. They weren't even guarding anyone near the line, just hanging out 20 yards back waiting for Hill or Kelce to run past them with a full head of steam.

Meanwhile they're idiotically 

protecting the sidelines to keep them in bounds, when KC had all 3 timeouts and only 13 secs to play.  Are the ***** coaches mentally challenged?

No shame. Professional embarrassment to last a lifetime though. I'm embarrassed and I'm just an unknown fan.

  It's inexplicable. They're gonna be really uncomfortable  trying to explain their thinking in that 13 seconds. That was farcical.

Unfortunately after the most heroic performance by a QB I've ever witnessed.

[longtimebillsfan]

2 hours ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

Man I am in a foul mood today.  I had some things happen personally over the years that has helped put things like Bills football in perspective.  For years I have not let it affect my personal life/get moody over a game.  Today is gonna be hard.  Everything is pissing me off today and I just woke up an hour ago.

Maybe time to take a personal day.  Give yourself a break. 

Edited January 24, 2022 by longtimebillsfan

[longtimebillsfan]

Just now, Gene1973 said:

Yeah but way before Marino. I think that pair was expecting to win many after Marino's rookie season.

True.  At the time they we both considered GOATS and could not win the big game, or even get there after Mario's rookie season. 

[Fan in Chicago]

16 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

😂😂😂😂

 

Too soon

[Steptide]

I've been on Twitter all morning trying to make myself feel better. I'm still shocked at the amount of national media and other nfl players talking about Allen (in a good way). You'd barely know the cheifs even played last night. Allen became a household name last night 

[Roundybout]

Just now, Steptide said:

I've been on Twitter all morning trying to make myself feel better. I'm still shocked at the amount of national media and other nfl players talking about Allen (in a good way). You'd barely know the cheifs even played last night. Allen became a household name last night 

 

It's what's keeping me going. I didn't sleep much last night, too many what-if's going through my head. 

[Coffeesforclosers]

12 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

McD and Frazier failed so miserably and wasted one of the greatest opportunities to finally bring a title to Buffalo. It's another very tough day to be a Bills fan. 

And I don't really think McD or Frazier can improve. They had an entire season to adjust and they got completely overmatched again. So it feels like this team is destined to be 2nd best for years to come.

 

McD is great at learning and changing for the better.  Just look at how he's gotten with the program on 4th downs, and how he schools belichick game after game.

 

His weakness is loyalty.  He develops blind spots towards performance once you've earned his respect.  His crush on Peterman, the Denison hire, and now maybe Frazier. 

 

Frazier is a great DC against 90% of the NFL.  But this isn't soccer, you can't win a title by beating beating the 18 teams that are worse than you are, and never beating the two teams that are better.  If you can't beat Brady or Mahomes, you don't win it all. 

 

You don't need to rip McD's scheme down to the foundations and start over.  It's a fundamentally sound scheme.But you do need some new ideas and better situational decisionmaking if you want to get through the post season.

 

Remember they tried and failed to bring in a true, elite pass rusher this off-season. With the number of guys we're moving on from this off season, I expect Beane to break the bank for an All Pro type EDGE.  And bet your ass he won't be rotated.

[Albany,n.y.]

This game was lost on Thanksgiving when Tre White went down.  Just one stop by White would have been the difference. 

 

White is their best D player & he was needed against Mahomes.   

[klos63]

8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

I'm a great deal of fun at parties, if I do say so myself. And it's funny, in my opinion, that we (including me) often share so much empathy for the players instead of for one another. I do it all the time. I feel for these guys.

 

But, I mean, the WNY teacher and the fireman and the nurse and the server who maybe have season tickets and have suffered heartbreaks like SBXXV and the Music City Miracle deserve more recognition for their pain than the 20-something athlete who lives elsewhere, makes a handsome wage, and will likely move on sooner rather than later. It's a simple point that needn't be repeated like this except for your rejection of its central premise. So chill out. Let me celebrate my fellow WNYers and their legacy of disappointment before we lose an inordinate amount of sleep over the playoff plights of gifted young professional athletes.  

Maybe you can start a TBD equivalent for teachers and fireman. This is a Bills site.

[Roundybout]

Also Vic Fangio is available as a defensive coordinator just saying

[Riverboat Ritchie]

14 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

It's what's keeping me going. I didn't sleep much last night, too many what-if's going through my head. 

Same. Worst part leaving Arrowhead and getting all the ataboys from Chief fans.   Most of them just being kind and gave them fist bumps back but so tired of being a fan of the same old bumbling Bills. We blew a big opportunity last night. 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

19 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I've been on Twitter all morning trying to make myself feel better. I'm still shocked at the amount of national media and other nfl players talking about Allen (in a good way). You'd barely know the cheifs even played last night. Allen became a household name last night 

Yep I think if anyone didn’t respect him before last night he earned it.

 

Our  coaches did not. 

[stevewin]

59 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Its morning and ~11 hours later - feels worse than it did last night. We had it, we had it, dammit!!! Its always something that stops us from winning the big ones. 

 

Its going to be a miserable morning and week. 

Yeah waking up then having it hit you and getting that feeling in the pit of your stomach...  The worst is thinking what could have been this AM - basking in the coverage, thinking about the AFCG in Bufalo this weekend, favorites for going on to SB *sigh* 

 

And it also hits you to think (if all goes well) will be another year of your life to be back at this position 

 

 

[Dan]

27 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

This game was lost on Thanksgiving when Tre White went down.  Just one stop by White would have been the difference. 

 

White is their best D player & he was needed against Mahomes.   

I was thinking that during the game.  We really missed Tre last night.  Badly. 
 

14 minutes ago, mjfbillsfan said:

Same. Worst part leaving Arrowhead and getting all the ataboys from Chief fans.   Most of them just being kind and gave them fist bumps back but so tired of being a fan of the same old bumbling Bills. We blew a big opportunity last night. 

couldn’t agree more

 

 

7 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Yeah waking up then having it hit you and getting that feeling in the pit of your stomach...  The worst is thinking what could have been this AM - basking in the coverage, thinking about the AFCG in Bufalo this weekend, favorites for going on to SB *sigh* 

 

And it also hits you to think (if all goes well) will be another year of your life to be back at this position 

 

 

I don’t know what exactly.  But they need to make some changes to the defensive players and/or coaching staff.  Our last two seasons have ended in the exact same place.  They need to figure out how to get over the KC hump.  And it’s gonna take more than just hoping some other team can beat them for us. 

[newcam2012]

36 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

Epic 13 second collapse in front of the world. I've never seen a defense play so soft or so stupidly. They weren't even guarding anyone near the line, just hanging out 20 yards back waiting for Hill or Kelce to run past them with a full head of steam.

Meanwhile they're idiotically 

protecting the sidelines to keep them in bounds, when KC had all 3 timeouts and only 13 secs to play.  Are the ***** coaches mentally challenged?

No shame. Professional embarrassment to last a lifetime though. I'm embarrassed and I'm just an unknown fan.

  It's inexplicable. They're gonna be really uncomfortable  trying to explain their thinking in that 13 seconds. That was farcical.

Unfortunately after the most heroic performance by a QB I've ever witnessed.

Agree with the defensive strategy being incorrect. There is no way Kelce or Hill should have gotten the chance to beat us. They should have been mauled at the line of scrimmage. With that said, Mahomes may have still found a way to get into field goal range. He was pretty much unstoppable all game. It was that kind of game where the impossible and improbable became reality. Look at the Bills TDs for a reference. Many predicted this game would come down to who had the ball last. That's exactly what happened. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

How is it that KC mainly using Ward and after losing Mathieu to concussion can basically cancel out Diggs & Knox, but our defense regularly left Hill & Kelce run free?

[Jauronimo]

37 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

This game was lost on Thanksgiving when Tre White went down.  Just one stop by White would have been the difference. 

 

White is their best D player & he was needed against Mahomes.   

Zero passes defended last night.  Mahomes threw it 44 times.

[longtimebillsfan]

6 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

How is it that KC mainly using Ward and after losing Mathieu to concussion can basically cancel out Diggs & Knox, but our defense regularly left Hill & Kelce run free?

We suck on defense. Any more questions?

5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Zero passes defended last night.  Mahomes threw it 44 times.

Yea but at least our safeties are all pros.

[Jim Bob]

14 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Agree with the defensive strategy being incorrect. There is no way Kelce or Hill should have gotten the chance to beat us. They should have been mauled at the line of scrimmage. With that said, Mahomes may have still found a way to get into field goal range. He was pretty much unstoppable all game. It was that kind of game where the impossible and improbable became reality. Look at the Bills TDs for a reference. Many predicted this game would come down to who had the ball last. That's exactly what happened. 

 

KC made sure Diggs and Knox didn't beat them.

 

Buffalo needs to figure out how to make sure Hill & Kelce don't beat them.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

12 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

How is it that KC mainly using Ward and after losing Mathieu to concussion can basically cancel out Diggs & Knox, but our defense regularly left Hill & Kelce run free?

They held him all game 😂 we were flagged for the most innocuous jersey grab on tyreek which cost us 4 points early so I’m still pretty salty about that

Edited January 24, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[BuffaloBaumer]

Just absolutely heartbroken for my kids. Leslie Frasier during those 13 seconds ripped away what would have been one of the best memories ever. If McDermott can look at Josh Allen in the eye today, Frasier needs to be fired asap.

 

AFC championship this weekend never happened, and all that would have gone with it...13 seconds of sheer stupidity, thanks Frasier

[Dan]

3 minutes ago, Jim Bob said:

 

KC made sure Diggs and Knox didn't beat them.

 

Buffalo needs to figure out how to make sure Hill & Kelce don't beat them.

This is why I think a new defensive coordinator is in order.  One year ago our season ended because they couldn’t stop Kelce and Hill from beating them. 

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I’m stunned people are blaming Frazier for that…. McD is responsible for the defense. 

The Bills called TOs before both of those plays, so you know McD was involved in those calls.

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

The Bills called TOs before both of those plays, so you know McD was involved in those calls.

 

I am honestly wondering if McD thought the Chiefs were either down by 4 or had no time outs left.  Why would you leave the middle open and guard the sideline?  There's no rational reason to do it situationally - something went seriously wrong.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

10 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

We suck on defense. Any more questions?

We definitely don’t suck on defense though. To me it’s coaching not personnel.

[Livinginthepast]

13 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Agree with the defensive strategy being incorrect. There is no way Kelce or Hill should have gotten the chance to beat us. They should have been mauled at the line of scrimmage. With that said, Mahomes may have still found a way to get into field goal range. He was pretty much unstoppable all game. It was that kind of game where the impossible and improbable became reality. Look at the Bills TDs for a reference. Many predicted this game would come down to who had the ball last. That's exactly what happened. 

No sacks on Mahomes was the ONE glaring factor of our D besides the terrible pass defense. It wasn't like they didnt get to Mahomes either, but every time they did they whiffed in the most utterly spastic fashion. Josh was sacked a couple of times and hit repeatedly by their pass rush after throws, yet Mahomes only got smacked on his runs. Every time you hit a QB on a sack or after he throws its degrades him slightly. But Mahomes was barely caressed last night in the pocket. Why the hell didnt Frazier at least call on all out blitz on the last drive when the touchdown seemed inevitable or on any of the Chiefs late 4th quarter drives. Mahomes had all day to throw and his footwork in the pocket to buy time is probably the best in the NFL.  Instead both McD and Frazier looked like deer in the headlights.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

11 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

They held him all game 😂 we were flagged for the most innocuous jersey grab on tyreek which cost us 4 points early so I’m still pretty salty about that

A couple of those were awful. Our DBs just had a hand on the WR’s hip with no jersey grabbing which is 100% allowed. 

Edited January 24, 2022 by JohnBonhamRocks

[Jim Bob]

10 minutes ago, Dan said:

This is why I think a new defensive coordinator is in order.  One year ago our season ended because they couldn’t stop Kelce and Hill from beating them. 

I doubt they get rid of Frazier. The only way they get a new D coordinator is if Frazier gets a HC job elsewhere this off season.

 

Plus. like others have pointed out, McD was likely heavily involved in the defensive decision making late. If Frazier is fired, it will be a scapegoat move that may not really change much if McD was the real decision maker with the prevent defense on those two plays late.

[longtimebillsfan]

I believe it is both.  We are not the #1 defense.

 

Coaching is a huge issue. 

 

We also lack a stud on the d line and a quality 2nd corner.   Wallace is been a band aid.   He has improved. But he still gets torched too often. 

 

I am no expert as are many on thus site.  This just my opinion.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, longtimebillsfan said:

I believe it is both.  We are not the #1 defense.

 

Coaching is a huge issue. 

 

We also lack a stud on the d line and a quality 2nd corner.   Wallace is been a band aid.   He has improved. But he still gets torched too often. 

 

I am no expert as are many on thus site.  This just my opinion.

I don’t think we’re factoring in how good the chiefs offensive line has been all season…when they struggled this year it was all on mahomes not protecting the football.  We had a few defensive linemen playing great down the stretch. 

[mannc]

36 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

How is it that KC mainly using Ward and after losing Mathieu to concussion can basically cancel out Diggs & Knox, but our defense regularly left Hill & Kelce run free?

And Ward was out of the game for a long stretch after Josh trucked him…

[wjag]

The afterglow:

 

1. The glow is redhot.  

2. Best way to describe me today is "emotionally damaged"

3. I lost my voice screaming when the Bills took the lead with 13 seconds left.  The euphoria in the moment and then ... and then ...

4. Josh Allen established his credentials last night.  This is no way on him and the offense

5. No need to beat a dead horse on what went wrong and why.  We all know and we all now have a brand new battle scar simply known as 13 seconds

6. Gabe Davis ... You da man

7. I think the Grim Reaper is the most appropriate name going forward for Patty M

8. Jax, NE, TB, Pittsburgh, and Tennessee will be the final handwriting on the wall for this season

9. Not sure how Diggs was not in the game plan.  

10. How many times last night was a DLinemen this close to tackling/sacking Mahomes?

11. Kicking team out of bounds for 5 yards and illegal chop block personal foul SHOULD NOT BE OFFSETTING PENALTIES.  

12.  And finally, I want to say what a blast it has been on this forum this season.  I'm going on my winter hiatus now.  I need a break.  Peace out folks.