Postgame Thread DAMMIT!

[John from Riverside]

I feel like we need to get younger on the defensive line guys like Hughes Addison they are not what we needed Today we need guys that are going to chase down Mahomes and be able to get back up to the line and be able to go just as hard the very next play

[LABILLBACKER]

19 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

if fans weren't passionate, these guys wouldn't make anywhere near the money they do. they can either grow thick skin or learn to ignore it. 

These millionaires make money because of OUR ticket sales, OUR merchandise sales, NFL advertising money.  Whatever grief the defense and coaches get over the next few days will be well deserved. That money will easily pay for thick skin care products. 

[John from Riverside]

Also not having Trey White finally caught up with us the value of tree white being able to shut down one of their top offensive players on any team cannot be ignored

[Billsatlastin2018]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

Been thinking about the final 13 seconds. Squib it, I get that. Even if you don't, couldn't you just press every receiver and just grab them and tackle them so they can't run their routes? Yes, you get called for holding and the Chiefs get 5 yards, but time ticks off the clock. Next play, do the same thing. More time ticks off. Who cares if you give them 5 yards two or three times? The time will run out. Keep the safeties deep if you want to protect in case Mahomes scrambles or a running back gets it.

 

Anyways, I think the defensive coaches did not think through this situation properly. They should have never gone to a prevent defense.

ALL this^^^^^ that so many of us thought about and described to this forum! FFS, even Tony Romo was on the squib kick to burn 5 ticks!

 

AAAAAND, during that appallingly inept McD 13 seconds, do you realize HE called TO twice? How clueless a HC are you to NOT call the entire D over to say hold them, tackle them, do ANYTHING of the 5 yard variety, to prevent 2 completions!

 

Soooo out of it, that he obviously never thought of it!

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I feel like we need to get younger on the defensive line guys like Hughes Addison they are not what we needed Today we need guys that are going to chase down Mahomes and be able to get back up to the line and be able to go just as hard the very next play

 

I've been saying that all season.  I have no idea why Addison is eating up so many snaps when we spent a first and two seconds in the last two years on edge rushers. I thought whole point of it was to lower his snap % so that he'd be fresh for specific key situations, that never seemed to manifest.

 

And as much as I love Jerry Hughes as a player, I think it's time to just move on.  I know he has a great pressure rate.  Well pressure rates don't mean much when you're playing a QB who is just as comfortable out of structure as he is in the pocket.  Eventually you have to get home, and the plan that the Bills made specifically for this matchup just went out there and had a big, fat, dud.

[Richard Noggin]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I feel like we need to get younger on the defensive line guys like Hughes Addison they are not what we needed Today we need guys that are going to chase down Mahomes and be able to get back up to the line and be able to go just as hard the very next play

Also, chasing him to dive and tackle is NOT what was called for. Chasing him to corral and contain is what they should have focused on. Stay in front of him, cut down his escape routes, and gradually close in. Wouldn't have missed so many damned tackles and allowed so many scrambles with that mentality. The coverage plan was working for much of the game (of course that back-end discipline broke down eventually). But the d-linemen KEPT losing contain. WTF. Seems like Addison and others were gunning for sacks and glory when they should have been patiently compressing the pocket.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Richard Noggin

[london_bills]

3 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

ALL this^^^^^ that so many of us thought about and described to this forum! FFS, even Tony Romo was on the squib kick to burn 5 ticks!

 

AAAAAND, during that appallingly inept McD 13 seconds, do you realize HE called TO twice? How clueless a HC are you to NOT call the entire D over to say hold them, tackle them, do ANYTHING of the 5 yard variety, to prevent 2 completions!

 

Soooo out of it, that he obviously never thought of it!

I was listening to wgr and someone said they stopped that a few years ago, perhaps they were worried about an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, putting time back on the clock 

 

Obviously I wish they would of done that if it'd work. 

Edited January 24, 2022 by london_bills

[Turk71]

11 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

On the list of things that sucks, we all probably just witnessed one the greatest playoff games of all time, and we can't fully enjoy it.

The coaches having no balls, playing a soft defense and giving the game away in the most idiotic fashion in the last 13 seconds took some of the enjoyment away evidently.

Go figure.

You are right. That completely sucks.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Turk71

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, london_bills said:

I was listening to wgr and someone said they stopped that a few years ago, perhaps they were worried about an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, putting time back on the clock 

 

Obviously I wish they would of done that if it'd work. 

All they had to do is rush 3. Tell anyone to hold just Kelce and double team Hill. Sean butchered that last 13 seconds in so many ways it's almost comical. 

[Richard Noggin]

2 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

The coaches having no balls, playing a soft defense and giving the game away in the most idiotic fashion in the last 13 seconds took some of the enjoyment away evidently.

Go figure.

You are right. That completely sucks.

I think he was trying to look at the overall event and our relationship to it, without blaming anyone or being a prisoner of the moment. 

[Nitro]

8 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

Also, chasing him to dive and tackle is NOT what was called for. Chasing him to corral and contain is what they should have focused on. Stay in front of him, cut down his escape routes, and gradually close in. Wouldn't have missed so many damned tackles and allowed so many scrambles with that mentality. The coverage plan was working for much of the game (of course that back-end discipline broke down eventually). But the d-linemen KEPT losing contain. WTF. Seems like Addison and others were gunning for sacks and glory when they should have been patiently compressing the pocket.

Addison, in the first driver for KC, was a liability.  Mahomes ran by him several times.  Frazier and his position coaches are slow to react in these situations.  They rely on vets to know what to do and to adapt.  I look forward to the younger guys to step up next year.

[Norcalbillsfan]

3 hours ago, IronyAbounds said:

Sorry, you can't depend on the future. All it takes is a single injury to Allen and a season could be ruined. Even this year was a regression in the sense the Bills only made to the Divisional Round, not even the Conference Championship. Look at how consequential a single loss to the lowly Jags was, it cost the Bills home field tonight and likely Super Bowl shot. You have to grab your chances when you can, and the Bills have blown theirs two years in a row.

I mean ya it hurts cuz we probably win the super bowl after a win tonight, but damn dude we got a qb that looked like the best qb in the nfl and he's 25. Have some hope for the future 

[Richard Noggin]

2 minutes ago, Nitro said:

Addison, in the first driver for KC, was a liability.  Mahomes ran by him several times.  Frazier and his position coaches are slow to react in these situations.  They rely on vets to know what to do and to adapt.  I look forward to the younger guys to step up next year.

Same thing on the Hail Murray last season. No composure or discipline. Just all-out pursuit. 

 

While that same approach helps uber-talented edge guys like T.J. Watt rack up the sacks, it also helps opposing offenses rack up the rushing yardage in the vacated B and C gaps, and it helps mobile QBs escape contain. 

[DapperCam]

22 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

Also, chasing him to dive and tackle is NOT what was called for. Chasing him to corral and contain is what they should have focused on. Stay in front of him, cut down his escape routes, and gradually close in. Wouldn't have missed so many damned tackles and allowed so many scrambles with that mentality. The coverage plan was working for much of the game (of course that back-end discipline broke down eventually). But the d-linemen KEPT losing contain. WTF. Seems like Addison and others were gunning for sacks and glory when they should have been patiently compressing the pocket.

 

I have to think this was the game plan. Just poorly executed by undisciplined players.

[Turk71]

13 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

I think he was trying to look at the overall event and our relationship to it, without blaming anyone or being a prisoner of the moment. 

I know.

It was an amazing game that ended in an historic collapse.

I wish we could enjoy and appreciate more what a thrilling game it was as well. The fact is that thanks to coaching stupid and scared, it will be remembered as one of the worst collapses in playoff history. That's not hyperbole or an exaggeration.  

 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, schoolhouserock said:

Will do. We all need to grow, right? Or does it not work that way?

Oh it certainly works that way. Maybe you meant it in a kind way when you told me to "get a clue?" 

[Rick 'r Mortis]

Who else is already getting over this loss? 

 

Watched the highlights, which I never do after any loss. Wow.

 

Blame it on the coaching. Blame it on the defense (which we all know isn't all it's cracked up to be) who was gassed. Blame it on the refs.

 

Hell, even the Chiefs were getting called out by Romo at one point for questionable playcalling. Imagine what their fans were saying 😂

 

A game for the ages that has me excited for next season. Now, I know next season we have to worry about the draft, free agency, injuries, coaching etc. But that's every season. 

 

Anyway, I haven't been this up and down after a loss ever. I had friends and family texting me saying "next year!", "They'll get there", "Bills are set". Thing is, I agree with it all. I thought it would be last night even when I was posting doom in the GDT. 

 

Bills are set. See you next season. See you in February 2023.

[LabattBlue]

50+ years of following the Bills, and this ranks right up there as one of the most (maybe #1) heartbreaking games.  Kicked in the nuts once at the end of regulation, and then kicked in the nuts a second time in OT.  
 

Laying in bed 4 hours later, wide awake…stunned.  Will never watch the game again.  Don’t even want to see the highlights.  

[par73]

2 hours ago, Livinginthepast said:

All I could think of after watching KC win is why cant we have nice things? One championship ? I know you have to make your own karma but how long does it take to get a lucky break with this team? 1 piece of luck tonight? Like maybe one of the Bills DBs or lineman picking up a fumble or getting a sack? maybe turning around and intercepting it on that last drive?

 

None of my other teams in any sport has teased me like the Bills just to allow the dagger to the heart, over and over.  My apologies for the sucky melancholy but I hate this constant post mortem every year.

I feel the same way. Just once to feel the way it does on the other side of these.

[london_bills]

I thought they were going to miss the FG after the game their kicker was having

[Warcodered]

I'm glad Josh and the offense did so well, but the fact we were so damn close is going to make this one repeat on me for a while.

[Aussie Joe]

22 minutes ago, Rick 'r Mortis said:

Who else is already getting over this loss? 

 

Watched the highlights, which I never do after any loss. Wow.

 

Blame it on the coaching. Blame it on the defense (which we all know isn't all it's cracked up to be) who was gassed. Blame it on the refs.

 

Hell, even the Chiefs were getting called out by Romo at one point for questionable playcalling. Imagine what their fans were saying 😂

 

A game for the ages that has me excited for next season. Now, I know next season we have to worry about the draft, free agency, injuries, coaching etc. But that's every season. 

 

Anyway, I haven't been this up and down after a loss ever. I had friends and family texting me saying "next year!", "They'll get there", "Bills are set". Thing is, I agree with it all. I thought it would be last night even when I was posting doom in the GDT. 

 

Bills are set. See you next season. See you in February 2023.

 

You must be young  to have so much optimism 

[Riverboat Ritchie]

17 minutes ago, BTB said:

50+ years of following the Bills, and this ranks right up there as one of the most (maybe #1) heartbreaking games.  Kicked in the nuts once at the end of regulation, and then kicked in the nuts a second time in OT.  
 

Laying in bed 4 hours later, wide awake…stunned.  Will never watch the game again.  Don’t even want to see the highlights.  

same here. Trying to sleep in some damn hotel room in Kansas City and can’t wait to get out of here. Had a great visual on Gabe catching what should of been winning touchdown. I know with Allen anything is possible but this is an enormous blown opportunity of epic proportions.  With wide right you still kinda knew that with core of team they would be back and music city miracle was so nuts with the Johnson-Flutie crap that it was just more anger.  This is simply Fn gut wrenching and something that makes you question why year after year you get so into this crap.  Can’t imagine things lining up better next year or any year and window, even with Allen, is closing if not shut.  Go Bills. 

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Not funny but my wife said the game is over when 13 seconds were left. My friends started texting congratulations and my response was "I am a Bills fan. The game is not over till the clock reads all zeros"

My last words before the musical city miracle play to my wife were "We need to cover the kick".  Today it was "there's still 13 seconds left".  For real I wasn't even really celebrating the TD for more than a few secs before my mind went to dread calculating if/how we could still lose.  After the game my 24 yr old son said he's always known that's how I process the end of close games - and this one really put him in that mindset.  He was taking it tough and I said yeah imagine going through this and music city miracle and wide right and all the others.  In the end though, through all the years, I know there's been a lot of joy to go along with the disappointment.  This one was next level though - just unbelievable to play that last minute of regulation back in your head.  And the 13 seconds.  Just unbelievable 

[Rick 'r Mortis]

11 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

You must be young  to have so much optimism 

I'm midlife if I expect to live to 84 yrs old 😂.

 

Anyway. I always call myself 'the original bandwagon fan' because the first time I remember watching a Bill's game was against the Giants in the Superbowl. When they got there the next year I was hooked. Followed/watched them religiously ever since. Every season. Bledsoe, Collins, Edwards, Losman etc etc.

Only have been to Buffalo once and that game was a stinker. It was against the Niners and I think it ended with the Bills losing 6-0.

I don't know. I just feel even after a loss as difficult as this, the team is ready... next year 😂

 

You won't find me saying that the season after if they don't win the big one.

 

Edited January 24, 2022 by Rick 'r Mortis

[Worstcaseontario]

All i know is josh is legit, this loss will hurt for a bit but i think were going to win a superbowl eventually.

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, Turk71 said:

The utter lack of courage by the coaches on the 13 second drive has made the Bills a poster child for blowing a big game. Allen and the offense showed amazing courage scoring twice in the last few minutes. The coaches were so absolutely gutless and stupid giving the victory away in the last 13 seconds. Now we will have to hear about it for many many years to come. What other team has done this in the playoffs? 13 seconds. Mahomes will get the credit but the coaches basically just gave it to him.   

  I could not even believe what I was seeing. It should have gone down in history as one of the greatest QB performances in playoff history. Instead, because the coaches had no balls whatsoever, it is one of the greatest collapses in playoff history and the wrong qb will be honored and probably win another SB.

  I would be so ***** pissed at

whoever called that defense if I was a Bills player. 

This is also why QB "head to head" stats are so stupid - Mahomes goes up one on Allen - when it was the Bills defense that handed Mahomes the W, despite Josh being a superhuman at the end

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

I keep telling myself, its just a game played by millionaires... it doesn't REALLY matter, you have a wonderful wife and kid... and I still just am overcome with this overwhelming urge to vomit.

 

 

It feels like somebody died... not like an immediate family member, but like an entertainer or athlete you grew up admiring... Because this season is dead, and Mc Jauron killed it because Clappy McGuilicutty didn't trust the ST, the unit they actually specifically waste roster spots on guys like Taiwan Jones for, to, get this... cover a squib kick!!!  

 

 

There's no way KC runs two plays and get's a FG off with a squib... One of the worst choke jobs ever by a headcoach after his QB went out there and delivered an all time great performance.

 

Mc Jauron's "specialty" is defense... It was non-existant. He has bungled in game management time after time. If he washes out again next year, then I think it's time to start finding coaches who want to try and actually bring home a MFing SuperBowl with a GENERATIONAL talent under center!

 

17 took his game to a whole nother level, and all MC Jaron did was find another way to drop the ball!  There was nothing more Allen could have done, his coach failed him plain and simple, and the majority of you are fine with welcoming him back unconditionally. That's loser mentality.  Coaches would give their left nut to have the chance to build a team around and coach a squad lead by Josh Allen.  He's in his prime now, Mc Jauron get's one more year, bc if I'm Terry Pegula I'm telling Beane, Mc Jauron is good, but we need a great coach to pair with my great QB before that window shuts. 

[Bruffalo]

28 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

I keep telling myself, its just a game played by millionaires... it doesn't REALLY matter, you have a wonderful wife and kid... and I still just am overcome with this overwhelming urge to vomit.

 

 

It feels like somebody died... not like an immediate family member, but like an entertainer or athlete you grew up admiring... Because this season is dead, and Mc Jauron killed it because Clappy McGuilicutty didn't trust the ST, the unit they actually specifically waste roster spots on guys like Taiwan Jones for, to, get this... cover a squib kick!!!  

 

 

There's no way KC runs two plays and get's a FG off with a squib... One of the worst choke jobs ever by a headcoach after his QB went out there and delivered an all time great performance.

 

Mc Jauron's "specialty" is defense... It was non-existant. He has bungled in game management time after time. If he washes out again next year, then I think it's time to start finding coaches who want to try and actually bring home a MFing SuperBowl with a GENERATIONAL talent under center!

 

17 took his game to a whole nother level, and all MC Jaron did was find another way to drop the ball!  There was nothing more Allen could have done, his coach failed him plain and simple, and the majority of you are fine with welcoming him back unconditionally. That's loser mentality.  Coaches would give their left nut to have the chance to build a team around and coach a squad lead by Josh Allen.  He's in his prime now, Mc Jauron get's one more year, bc if I'm Terry Pegula I'm telling Beane, Mc Jauron is good, but we need a great coach to pair with my great QB before that window shuts. 

Even though your post is just oozing with sarcasm I think you bring up an interesting point; is this coach a guy who can consistently coach at a high enough level on gameday to get you to a Super Bowl?

 

McD is obviously an excellent culture builder.  I don't think anyone can argue otherwise.  His guys love to play for him.  He's excellent at setting the routine and having a professional atmosphere around the organization (Something a guy like Rex Ryan obviously couldn't or wouldn't do). This is all important to building a consistent successful team.

 

On gameday though the warts can show.  He is often conservative at key moments, has questionable TO usage, or the playcalling goes off in a direction that you kind of have stretch your mind to justify. Now I can't say that this is him necessarily, maybe some of it or a lot of it has to do with his coordinators, it's hard to pin down without knowing how gamedays are executed.  We'll likely see the difference come next season, because I would bet one or both coordinators are going to get a head coaching gig.

 

I will say this though, the Bills are set up in a way to remain competitive for as long as Josh Allen is our QB. The FO has done an excellent job in structuring contracts in a way that's going to keep us flexible with personnel. I don't think there's any world where McD is the head coach for at least the next 2-3 seasons though, it would take probably back to back major flops to even consider him on a hot seat. 

[ALF]

Mahomes will be a pain his whole career just like Brady*.  Without Tre White against him not good odds.

[Rick 'r Mortis]

5 minutes ago, ALF said:

Mahomes will be a pain his whole career just like Brady*.  Without Tre White against him not good odds.

[Wayne Cubed]

Serious question for those who want McDermott replaced... what makes you think the Pegulas can find a coach who's better than McD? The Bills took long enough to find McD. Look how the Sabres rebuild is going.

 

Look, if it gets to the point where McD is absolutely wasting Josh's talent ala Mike McCarthy in GB, then by all means find a new HC. I just don't think it's there quite yet. 

[london_bills]

11 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Serious question for those who want McDermott replaced... what makes you think the Pegulas can find a coach who's better than McD? The Bills took long enough to find McD. Look how the Sabres rebuild is going.

 

Look, if it gets to the point where McD is absolutely wasting Josh's talent ala Mike McCarthy in GB, then by all means find a new HC. I just don't think it's there quite yet. 

Yeah, be careful what you wish for. 

 

I'm still steaming from the game

[BeastMaster]

14 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Serious question for those who want McDermott replaced... what makes you think the Pegulas can find a coach who's better than McD? The Bills took long enough to find McD. Look how the Sabres rebuild is going.

 

Look, if it gets to the point where McD is absolutely wasting Josh's talent ala Mike McCarthy in GB, then by all means find a new HC. I just don't think it's there quite yet. 

He took away Josh's and this teams moment of overcoming their nemesis and possibly hoisting the Lombardi because he failed to secure the victory with 13 seconds left 

 

That is wasting an all time performance by Josh and Gabe Davis, and we are once again known for an epic losing play that will hang over us...all because of the coach being an absolute failure.

 

I just don't see how you can keep on letting this coach hurt this team and prevent them from ascending to their rightful place amongst the very best...and he is the reason why we haven't gotten over the hump.

 

When will enough be enough? When he blows it again next year? Maybe he'll lose to KC again with another completely inexcusable decision. Will that finally bring you to the conclusion that he cannot get these guys where they wanna go?

 

I'm done with this guy. Every season from now on that this team doesn't make the superbowl is on him.

[Sharky7337]

Frazier will never get a job now lol

 

All of coaching your taking timeouts on D and you don't coach them and tall to them about what to do. Who to guard etc. 

[Man with No Name]

if the bills don't win in the next 5 years, very good chance allen walks away. McDermott might just be one of those guys who is great for rebuilding something that is broken, but just doesn't have that thing it takes to finish the job. 

 

hope he learns from this. I do think he has shown the ability to change his stripes before. 

 

a huge part of this is on mcD. but a huge part of this is having the terrible luck to be peaking at the same time that  a generational, league changing team is in the same conference as them. 

[longtimebillsfan]

5 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

Even though your post is just oozing with sarcasm I think you bring up an interesting point; is this coach a guy who can consistently coach at a high enough level on gameday to get you to a Super Bowl?

 

McD is obviously an excellent culture builder.  I don't think anyone can argue otherwise.  His guys love to play for him.  He's excellent at setting the routine and having a professional atmosphere around the organization (Something a guy like Rex Ryan obviously couldn't or wouldn't do). This is all important to building a consistent successful team.

 

On gameday though the warts can show.  He is often conservative at key moments, has questionable TO usage, or the playcalling goes off in a direction that you kind of have stretch your mind to justify. Now I can't say that this is him necessarily, maybe some of it or a lot of it has to do with his coordinators, it's hard to pin down without knowing how gamedays are executed.  We'll likely see the difference come next season, because I would bet one or both coordinators are going to get a head coaching gig.

 

I will say this though, the Bills are set up in a way to remain competitive for as long as Josh Allen is our QB. The FO has done an excellent job in structuring contracts in a way that's going to keep us flexible with personnel. I don't think there's any world where McD is the head coach for at least the next 2-3 seasons though, it would take probably back to back major flops to even consider him on a hot seat. 

McDermott is the 2nd most successful coach in Bills history.  We need a better DC.  I truly hope some team is foolish enough to give Frauser another shot at a HC position. 

 

Our defense was by no means dominating this year.

Edited January 24, 2022 by longtimebillsfan

[Sharky7337]

4 hours ago, Nitro said:

Addison, in the first driver for KC, was a liability.  Mahomes ran by him several times.  Frazier and his position coaches are slow to react in these situations.  They rely on vets to know what to do and to adapt.  I look forward to the younger guys to step up next year.

No-one is gonna hire Frazier after that performance. 

[longtimebillsfan]

1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Serious question for those who want McDermott replaced... what makes you think the Pegulas can find a coach who's better than McD? The Bills took long enough to find McD. Look how the Sabres rebuild is going.

 

Look, if it gets to the point where McD is absolutely wasting Josh's talent ala Mike McCarthy in GB, then by all means find a new HC. I just don't think it's there quite yet. 

No problem.  Greg Williams is still available.   What about Doug Marone?  Sexy Rexy deserves another shot, right?

 

Anyone wanting to fire McDermott is delusional. 

 

To be true contenders, we need a ruthless defense.  Something we are not even close to having.   Weak against the run, settling for pressures instead of sacks.

 

Our #1 defense rating was the result of many weak opponents on our schedule. 

 

I have witnessed every single season of our beloved f*****g Bills.  This loss for me is the most painful.

 

UGH!

 

 

[JerseyBills]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

13 seconds is as bad as wide right. McDermott lost it for us at the end. You have to squib the kick or kick it high and short. Inexcusable coaching.

And it's mind boggling because McD would routinely kick it high and short- to about the 5 yard line in many games.  It's definitely something they practice alot. 

I guess he lost faith in the kick coverage? 

Edited January 24, 2022 by JerseyBills