FilthyBeast Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 19 hours ago, Max Fischer said: You characterize $3-4M difference as "huge increase" but also $3M ($15M-$18M) as "not that far off . . . First, despite consistent fan predictions/concerns that Edmunds will be paid Leonard, Warner and Wagner money, there is no, zip, nada, evidence that the Bills are considering that salary, no evidence that Edmunds will ask for that kind of money, or that Edmunds is expected to be offered that salary range. Per usual, no one associated with the Bills has said anything, and I've yet to see any non-Bill fan "cap expert" suggest that Edmunds is worth or will be paid like Leonard, Warner and Wagner. Second, many good football experts say Milano and Edmunds positions are interchangeable. I agree, to a point, but the Bills seem to play to their strengths - Milano as a missile to seek and destroy, while Edmunds is much more a space eater, making the pass game much more difficult. Clearly not everyone agrees, but I think the Bills believe Edmunds' skillset is much harder to replicate than Milano's. The Bills need them both to be an elite defense, but believe the Bills are willing to pay Edmunds more than Milano because Tremaine's replacement would be much, much harder to find, and those worth more to the team. Not unless terms start with two early first round picks. If another team was dumb enough to offer that I can't imagine Beane not rushing to get the paperwork done to push that deal through. I do think we could probably get one first round pick though because of his age and another team that understand he's miscast on this team and defense and would put him either outside in a traditional 3/4 or 4/3 defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said: If another team was dumb enough to offer that I can't imagine Beane not rushing to get the paperwork done to push that deal through. I do think we could probably get one first round pick though because of his age and another team that understand he's miscast on this team and defense and would put him either outside in a traditional 3/4 or 4/3 defense. You lost us at "miscast." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/9/2022 at 9:38 PM, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: As I said, I’ll rewatch the game and make my assessment. Somewhat difficult to do being at the stadium. I’ll make my own judgment and not rely on these “experts” you speak of. So you'll defend a ridiculous ish stirrer in Sully by using his expertise as proof but now you bash the quote unquote experts? You talk out of both sides of your mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/12/2022 at 1:59 PM, Max Fischer said: You lost us at "miscast." I don’t get why folks think he should move to DE. These are the same folks are upset that he doesn’t shed blocks well enough. So the answer is put him closer to blockers? He’s athletic but not in the way to be a great DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 I was hoping they'd lock this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 I'm convinced this thread was started by a Pats plant. It had to have been. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Maybe this was already mentioned somewhere else, but for the Edmunds sucks crowd the Bills could’ve done a lot worse. Take a look at the Titans, they picked Rashaan Evans just a couple of picks later and that dude is inactive for today’s playoff game. Now that’s a linebacker not worthy of the spot he was picked 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 I hate this thread. Do people really think any player on the #1 ranked defense isn't good? If he was bad then opposing teams would go at him constantly and be successful doing it. If that was the case teams would be racking up points and yards. Neither of which is happening. Edmunds is the 6th youngest player on the team! There are rookies on this team younger than him! Eve of the divisional playoffs and this thread exists.... Don't let perfect be the enemy of very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) Edmunds isn’t a bust, but he’s not an impact player. Money talks, so we’ll see how the team values him after next season. For now, we’ve got 3 more games to win! And I hope he brings his A+ game every single one, because we’ll need it. Edited January 23, 2022 by JayBaller10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Edmunds isn’t a bust, but he’s not an impact player. Money talks, so we’ll see how the team values him after next season. They will happily resign Edmunds on a win win deal. If he goes to the open market 20 teams will be after him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Edmunds isn’t a bust, but he’s not an impact player. Money talks, so we’ll see how the team values him after next season. For now, we’ve got 3 more games to win! And I hope he brings his A+ game every single one, because we’ll need it. He’s very much an impact player as a pass defender, but as a run defender he’s abysmal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, section122 said: There are rookies on this team younger than him! I would hope so. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 The overall framing of this thread of the Edmunds basher is insane. To argue that he is not a very valuable piece means you don't understand football at all. The only reasonable argument is how much is he worth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 27 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: He’s very much an impact player as a pass defender, but as a run defender he’s abysmal. That's how I feel. Is he worth 17M/ yr? We'll find out eventually. For now you root your brains out for Tremaine and maybe he'll have that career defining play soon? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 31 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: I would hope so. Yea I caught that too I just gave the Op credit he meant to say older not younger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 hours ago, section122 said: I hate this thread. Do people really think any player on the #1 ranked defense isn't good? If he was bad then opposing teams would go at him constantly and be successful doing it. If that was the case teams would be racking up points and yards. Neither of which is happening. Edmunds is the 6th youngest player on the team! There are rookies on this team younger than him! Eve of the divisional playoffs and this thread exists.... Don't let perfect be the enemy of very good. The thread is getting bumped every time he has a good game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Whether or not the Bills should resign Edmunds is for a different day. But according to Joe B in his latest Athletic article, he was and may be very important in our defense of the chiefs Quote 13. The real key isn’t in the Bills secondary There was a lot of talk about Bills cornerback Dane Jackson and how he’ll replace White’s role in the defense from Week 5, but the Bills are likely to limit how often Jackson is in critical one-on-one situations. Based on how Mahomes operates out of structure, the real key to the defense is none other than middle linebacker Tremaine Edmunds. Edmunds was the hidden star of the Bills’ pass coverage in the last Chiefs game. You can see some of the snapshots of how Edmunds was a difference-maker from our All-22 review in October. The short version is that when Mahomes escaped the pocket, rather than running toward Mahomes, Edmunds turned and went hunting for the nearest receiver crossing the middle of the field — a crutch of Mahomes’ improvisational ability. Not many middle linebackers have the size and athleticism to pull that off. If the Chiefs have trouble doing this against the Bills, Edmunds will likely have a significant role in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 The Bills are gonna re-sign Edmunds. It's almost a sure thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 hours ago, section122 said: I hate this thread. Do people really think any player on the #1 ranked defense isn't good? If he was bad then opposing teams would go at him constantly and be successful doing it. If that was the case teams would be racking up points and yards. Neither of which is happening. Edmunds is the 6th youngest player on the team! There are rookies on this team younger than him! Eve of the divisional playoffs and this thread exists.... Don't let perfect be the enemy of very good. This is so true. Pay Cam Lewis $20M next year. He’s on the #1 defense, he can’t be not good! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, FireChans said: This is so true. Pay Cam Lewis $20M next year. He’s on the #1 defense, he can’t be not good! See, this is how pitifully far someone has to stretch to argue against the obvious here. A stupid argument on the face of it, in every word. Lewis has 55 snap on defense. Tremaine has 873, 94%. Pretending an occasional role player's compares to the effect Edmunds has ... it's sad. On the other hand, those are the kind of arguments you have to take on that side of the question. So it's not all that surprising that silly examples show up here. Nor is Edmunds going to get $20M when he re-signs with the Bills. He'll make a lot, but not $20M. Severely sad argument. Edited January 23, 2022 by Thurman#1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, QLBillsFan said: They will happily resign Edmunds on a win win deal. If he goes to the open market 20 teams will be after him. Yup. Hard to say when it'll happen, but it's wildly likely. Edited January 23, 2022 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: See, this is how pitifully far someone has to stretch to argue against the obvious here. A stupid argument on the face of it, in every word. Lewis has 55 snap on defense. Tremaine has 873, 94%. Pretending an occasional role player's compares to the effect Edmunds has ... it's sad. On the other hand, those are the kind of arguments you have to take on that side of the question. So it's not all that surprising that silly examples show up here. Nor is Edmunds going to get $20M when he re-signs with the Bills. He'll make a lot, but not $20M. Severely sad argument. Ok then let’s pay Levi $20M. the simple point that you missed is that a player can be good, and can play for the #1 defense, but still not worth X number of dollars. Edited January 23, 2022 by FireChans 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 12 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: I would hope so. 11 hours ago, AuntieEm said: Yea I caught that too I just gave the Op credit he meant to say older not younger. Yeah sorry was a bit fired up lol. Boogie is older than him as well as stevenson and hamlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 14 hours ago, Victory Formation said: He’s very much an impact player as a pass defender, but as a run defender he’s abysmal. 10 hours ago, LEBills said: Whether or not the Bills should resign Edmunds is for a different day. But according to Joe B in his latest Athletic article, he was and may be very important in our defense of the chiefs I will say I'm stoked to have him more than ever against the Chiefs and prospective Bengals... Although Mixon can get his. Personally I didn't look forward to seeing him vs Titans or (at the time) Patriots. I don't really feel strongly for whatever we're going to do with him as we're always going to have big games against teams like the Chiefs. We're a juggernaut team with a finesse identity seems like. It'll work in this AFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Haven't visited this thread in a long time. I do however hope that Edmunds has a great game today. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalosouth Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Our backups are good backups our starters coupled with that is why we have a #1 defense. Football is a team sport and if we bring back a piece at a decent price we should all look forward to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 This is an amazing thread. I made a copy and I keep the responses in my car 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 When was the last time you saw a play in the opposing backfield by Edmunds? He sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 F Edmunds.....waste of space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 5 hours ago, HOUSE said: This is an amazing thread. I made a copy and I keep the responses in my car Perfect. Ridiculous thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloBillsFanFromItaly Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 He's going on whiffing tackles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDiehard Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 He's garbage! Has no idea where the ball is and he's 8 feet tall! Klein should be starting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 Biggest game of the year. Zero impact plays. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 Best play he's made today is standing there while Basham drive Mahommes into him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, damj said: Biggest game of the year. Zero impact plays. 4+ years. Zero impact plays. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, damj said: Biggest game of the year. Zero impact plays. How many impact plays has Milano, Poyer, or Hyde made today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 It’s been said before: he has zero football instincts 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 39 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: How many impact plays has Milano, Poyer, or Hyde made today? They have in other games. Edmunds... Nothing. I will never stop banging this drum. They need to improve at LB... Edmunds isn't good enough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I'm out. Let him walk. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 This topic is about to get real ugly, real fast. And it should. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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