Paul Costa Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) Mac Jones is getting comparisons to Tom Brady. I personally don’t see it. I also think he is playing close to his ceiling. I think Mac Jones is playing similar to Baker Mayfield as a rookie. I said the same thing about him. He played well but thought he reached his ceiling. Time has proven that true. I think Mac Jones play proves that Bilichick is a great coach. He’s done a great job this year. Hate to admit it but it’s true. Hopefully he’s throwing a phone around 10:45 Monday night. 😊 Edited December 2, 2021 by Paul Costa 9 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Just like any QB, we'll know in a few years. 8 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Its too early to say. Jones is having a great start and he is very good at doing what he is asked to do thus far. Have to wait and see how he progresses to answer anything else beyond that. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakout Squad Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 I think you could see Brady’s greatness early in his career. I haven’t seen much of Jones but no matter how well he does, what are the chances he’s the next Tom Brady. How long can BB coach for? I think the more film seen by opponents will limit him. I think we’ve seen that to a certain extent with Allen and the deep cover 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Omg yet another pats thread 6 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Who did what better? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted December 2, 2021 Author Share Posted December 2, 2021 Baker Mayfield or Mac Jones who had a better rookie season. Obviously Mac Jones has not completed his rookie season yet. But many in the media have already crowned him a franchise QB. My point is he reminds me of Baker Mayfield in his rookie year. Playing to his ceiling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Paul Costa said: Mac Jones is getting comparisons to Tom Brady. I personally don’t see it. I also think he is playing close to his ceiling. I think Mac Jones is playing similar to Baker Mayfield as a rookie. I said the same thing about him. He played well but thought he reached his ceiling. Time has proven that true. I think Mac Jones play proves that Bilichick is a great coach. He’s done a great job this year. Hate to admit it but it’s true. Hopefully he’s throwing a phone around 10:45 Monday night. 😊 Mac Jones is playing very well within his system. Baker Mayfield's rookie year is actually not a bad comparison. They both came out of big-time college programs where they were surrounded with talent. Jones has a higher completion % (70.3 vs 63.8%), but lower YPG (237.5 vs 266) and similar ypa (7.5 vs 7.7), which says to me that completion % may be taking a low-% shot or two less (32 vs 37 attempts per game agrees). Likewise Mac has a lower TD% (4.2% vs 5.6%) and INT% (2.1% vs 2.9%) than Baker had, but a higher sack % (5.9% vs 4.9%). Where things went off the rails a bit with Baker is that I think the success went to his head, along with essentially participating in firing his HC and picking his next HC. It wasn't that he'd reached his ceiling, so much as that he thought he'd arrived there. As long as Belichick is at the helm in NE, that's not going to happen to Jones. On the other hand it's completely true that as teams get tape on Jones and learn his tendencies, his life will get harder. Like Mac Jones, Brady started out as a game manager, making short accurate passes supported by a strong run game. The Patriots pass 54% and run 46% of their non-punting downs. But Brady evolved to become far more than that. He became a master manipulator of defenses, an adept in the pocket, and a master of the game. It's possible that Jones will become all that - but it really depends upon him. Brady was uniquely driven. Is Jones? Time will tell. Was his early DUI a sign that he's a good-time-guy, or a youthful wake-up call? Time will tell. I said elsewhere that I LOL at the Boston press during McDermott's interview today. Boston Globe guy basically asked McDermott how Jones compared to a young Brady and McDermott neatly ducked and let Boston Guy slide off his back to the floor. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 I can’t believe how messed up slot of Bills fans are. There’s more Pats crap on here than anything Bills related. One suggestion: grow a pair 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, AlfaBill said: I can’t believe how messed up slot of Bills fans are. There’s more Pats crap on here than anything Bills related. One suggestion: grow a pair So, who is your favorite Pat? Pat Benatar maybe? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Topic titles must reflect the content of the topic (and it must contain more than just a name). This helps to reduce the number of duplicate topics and makes the community much more user friendly. Please edit the title so that it properly reflects the discussion that you started. Thank you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Paul Costa said: Mac Jones is getting comparisons to Tom Brady. I personally don’t see it. I also think he is playing close to his ceiling. I think Mac Jones is playing similar to Baker Mayfield as a rookie. I said the same thing about him. He played well but thought he reached his ceiling. Time has proven that true. I think Mac Jones play proves that Bilichick is a great coach. He’s done a great job this year. Hate to admit it but it’s true. Hopefully he’s throwing a phone around 10:45 Monday night. 😊 Belichek made Matt Castle look like a good QB.... Matt... Castle... Belicheks system is very QB friendly. He knows how to run an offense that doesn't put all the pressure on the QB. Its very similar to when Brady took over. He wasn't asked to carry the team, just manage the game and protect the ball. That system groomed Brady to what he is. Will Jones mature into a great QB? Who knows? But time will tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 38 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So, who is your favorite Pat? Pat Benatar maybe? Pat Morita 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Paul Costa said: Mac Jones is getting comparisons to Tom Brady. I personally don’t see it. I also think he is playing close to his ceiling. I think Mac Jones is playing similar to Baker Mayfield as a rookie. I said the same thing about him. He played well but thought he reached his ceiling. Time has proven that true. I think Mac Jones play proves that Bilichick is a great coach. He’s done a great job this year. Hate to admit it but it’s true. Hopefully he’s throwing a phone around 10:45 Monday night. 😊 Jones will always need a great system around him, as well as a good running game and defense to win. He is not going to carry a team. He has physical limitations that no matter how good he becomes will always be there. Chad Pennington lite is what he reminds me of with a slightly stronger arm. But after watching how he had to put his whole body into a throw that went about 30 yards, not much stronger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Nice title? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 If that patriots defense wasn’t shutting everybody down he would be looking like ***** 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Mac Jones was drafted at his ceiling. He isn't coachable. He already has good accuracy with a short passing game. He isn't physically mobile (uncoachable) and he has a weak arm (uncoachable). He also is inaccurate throwing down field (which is coachable, but not with a noodle arm). Teams will adjust and he will be a backup for most of his career. How many QBs have the pundits praised in their first year just to watch them fade to rust? Too many to count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 The dime store jay lenos on this site thinking a) they’re funny, or even worse b) they think we think they’re funny with their dumbass thread titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Bubba Gump said: Mac Jones was drafted at his ceiling. He isn't coachable. He already has good accuracy with a short passing game. He isn't physically mobile (uncoachable) and he has a weak arm (uncoachable). He also is inaccurate throwing down field (which is coachable, but not with a noodle arm). Teams will adjust and he will be a backup for most of his career. How many QBs have the pundits praised in their first year just to watch them fade to rust? Too many to count. That is not what being coachable means. What you are saying is he has physical limitations. That is true. But everything you hear about the kid suggests he is very coachable - he listens, he can take criticism, and is determined to get better. Mac does have a low ceiling. I agree with that. But the things he does well are a perfect fit for New England's offense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 No sane person expects Mac to be as good as Brady, who is the best quarterback in world history. He is better than anybody who ever tossed a football. It doesn't make me happy to say this but we are here talking about football and it is the truth. Mac is similar in style to Brady in that he has little foot speed, and doesn't have a Josh Allen type cannon for an arm. They are both accurate passers, and he also, like Brady, is VERY smart. This "smart" thing is something that his critics either don't know or look past, and I get it. Maybe it is hard to gauge his intellect unless you have watched him play quite a bit and/or listened to his interviews. Despite the above, it would be asinine to think that Mac will ever be as good as Brady, or even almost as good. Brady is 90 years old and he won another Super Bowl. I doubt that anyone else will be last as long as Brady and play at even almost his level. Of course, this is jmo. As far as Mac, I think that it will take some people years (if it ever happens) to admit that other than Trevor Lawerence, Mac looks better than any of the QBs that were drafted this year. Who would you rather have, Fields? Really? The guys on the Jets or 49ers? Sure, OK. But again, Mac is not, nor ever will be Tom Brady. There may never be another one. OH.....and we are about to defeat him and the Pats. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So, who is your favorite Pat? Pat Benatar maybe? Pat Paulsen. Presidential candidate in the 60s, from the Stag Party. OK, it was just on Laugh-In but he was terrific. 9 hours ago, Paul Costa said: Mac Jones is getting comparisons to Tom Brady. I personally don’t see it. I also think he is playing close to his ceiling. I think Mac Jones is playing similar to Baker Mayfield as a rookie. I said the same thing about him. He played well but thought he reached his ceiling. Time has proven that true. I think Mac Jones play proves that Bilichick is a great coach. He’s done a great job this year. Hate to admit it but it’s true. Hopefully he’s throwing a phone around 10:45 Monday night. 😊 Belichick is a great coach but not a great GM. He has always struggled to get good WRs. Occasionally it works out (Randy Moss), and he usually has good slot receivers (Amendola, Edelman), but generally this is the weakest part of the team. If they get lucky and draft or sign someone really good next year, the real challenge for Jones will be to keep that guy happy by hitting long passes with velocity. So far I haven't seen anything to suggest that Jones has particularly good arm. What he does have is accuracy, and a very good awareness of where his guys are and where the other team's guys are. By the way, comparing Jones to Brady is silly. The things Jones does well, Brady does better. and Brady still has a much better arm while drawing Social Security than Jones does as a young guy. Edited December 2, 2021 by Utah John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Its to early to hate him, he could be Vince Young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: As far as Mac, I think that it will take some people years (if it ever happens) to admit that other than Trevor Lawerence, Mac looks better than any of the QBs that were drafted this year. Who would you rather have, Fields? Really? The guys on the Jets or 49ers? Sure, OK. But again, Mac is not, nor ever will be Tom Brady. There may never be another one. OH.....and we are about to defeat him and the Pats. I think the comparison to Fields and Wilson in particular is very premature. I think Mac would likely be struggling in both of those situations too. Chicago appear to have 5 crash dummies masquerading as an offensive line and the Jets are a hot mess. He is a very specific fit in a very specific scheme. Going to New England was absolutely perfect for him. His skill set marries up exactly with what they want to do. I don't think Mac would look good in either of those other two situations right now. Not a knock on Mac at all. He is exactly who he is and he fits everything New England looks for in a Quarterback. I am not at all persuaded as some in this thread seem to be that there is a reckoning coming for him some time soon where he turns into a pumpkin. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 You have to give it time, but the signs are not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Utah John said: Pat Paulsen. Presidential candidate in the 60s, from the Stag Party. OK, it was just on Laugh-In but he was terrific. Belichick is a great coach but not a great GM. He has always struggled to get good WRs. Occasionally it works out (Randy Moss), and he usually has good slot receivers (Amendola, Edelman), but generally this is the weakest part of the team. If they get lucky and draft or sign someone really good next year, the real challenge for Jones will be to keep that guy happy by hitting long passes with velocity. So far I haven't seen anything to suggest that Jones has particularly good arm. What he does have is accuracy, and a very good awareness of where his guys are and where the other team's guys are. By the way, comparing Jones to Brady is silly. The things Jones does well, Brady does better. and Brady still has a much better arm while drawing Social Security than Jones does as a young guy. I think the comparison to Brady is the 2001 version of Brady, not the 2021 version. As far as WR's, I cannot argue the Pats have a history of having great WR's, they don't. But they also don't need them to win ( 9 Super bowl appearances and 6 wins). Their philosophy does not require great WR's. But they typically have a bunch of check down options to RB's, TE's and a slot WR. There are many ways to build a winning team. Welker and Edelman will get HOF consideration and those guys were homegrown. Edited December 2, 2021 by mattynh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Been saying this for a few weeks. There's only down from here I think. It's like golf...as soon as his expectations and confidence goes up...expect a regression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evek Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 I don't understand why people are so obsessed with his arm strength. He'll never be Mahomes or Allen but his arm isn't so bad that'll it'll prevent him from having NFL success. It's adequate for the NFL which is what basically every scout said before he was drafted. His arm strength is comparable to Drew Brees coming out of college. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 54 minutes ago, mattynh said: I think the comparison to Brady is the 2001 version of Brady, not the 2021 version. As far as WR's, I cannot argue the Pats have a history of having great WR's, they don't. But they also don't need them to win ( 9 Super bowl appearances and 6 wins). Their philosophy does not require great WR's. But they typically have a bunch of check down options to RB's, TE's and a slot WR. There are many ways to build a winning team. Welker and Edelman will get HOF consideration and those guys were homegrown. Welker was not home grown. New England was his third team and they traded a second round pick for him after his 3rd season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 11 hours ago, NewEra said: Omg yet another pats thread Just think...after Monday it well be all Tom Brady (and many Patriot talking points) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 12 hours ago, Paul Costa said: Mac Jones is getting comparisons to Tom Brady. I personally don’t see it. I also think he is playing close to his ceiling. I think Mac Jones is playing similar to Baker Mayfield as a rookie. I said the same thing about him. He played well but thought he reached his ceiling. Time has proven that true. I think Mac Jones play proves that Bilichick is a great coach. He’s done a great job this year. Hate to admit it but it’s true. Hopefully he’s throwing a phone around 10:45 Monday night. 😊 This is the kind of thing they said about young tom Brady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 10 hours ago, Herc11 said: Belichek made Matt Castle look like a good QB.... Matt... Castle... Belicheks system is very QB friendly. He knows how to run an offense that doesn't put all the pressure on the QB. Its very similar to when Brady took over. He wasn't asked to carry the team, just manage the game and protect the ball. That system groomed Brady to what he is. Will Jones mature into a great QB? Who knows? But time will tell He finds offensive lineman that can block well. That's the secret.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Just think...after Monday it well be all Tom Brady (and many Patriot talking points) If the pats win, we won’t hear much about brady for a few days imo. It’ll be pat/mac threads galore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: If the pats win, we won’t hear much about brady for a few days imo. It’ll be pat/mac threads galore. If the Pats win I won't even bother coming in here. The trolls will run the place for a week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 11 hours ago, NewEra said: Omg yet another pats thread It is starting to sound like sour grapes now, and it does illustrate the effect the Pats have on our psyche. I include myself in that. So many years of beat downs have really screwed up our ability to look at them logically. I mean you just know the first flag that gets thrown against us on Monday night, even if it's legit, we'll all be screaming about Kraft paying off the refs, or the NFL wanting to see the Pats in the SB against Brady. And just typing that I've convinced myself that it's actually true and now I hate the Pats even more. See what I mean? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: If the Pats win I won't even bother coming in here. The trolls will run the place for a week. Same. I’ll lurk and check for info on the bucs, but will hopefully refrain from the reindeer games. Can’t let allow them to beat us in our house on MNF for the division lead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 You always find out a player in his second and third year as a starter because the league now has enough tape on him to pick up his tendencies. Jones has definitely been fortunate he doesn’t really have to do much and his team hasn’t in any game he’s played fallen behind to the point where they have to throw every down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 56 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Welker was not home grown. New England was his third team and they traded a second round pick for him after his 3rd season. Where did he become successful as a WR? That was my point, the Pats developed him. I am aware he did not come into the league with the Patriots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think the comparison to Fields and Wilson in particular is very premature. I think Mac would likely be struggling in both of those situations too. Chicago appear to have 5 crash dummies masquerading as an offensive line and the Jets are a hot mess. He is a very specific fit in a very specific scheme. Going to New England was absolutely perfect for him. His skill set marries up exactly with what they want to do. I don't think Mac would look good in either of those other two situations right now. Not a knock on Mac at all. He is exactly who he is and he fits everything New England looks for in a Quarterback. I am not at all persuaded as some in this thread seem to be that there is a reckoning coming for him some time soon where he turns into a pumpkin. I went out for a beer with an old friend of mine last night who is from Boston and a fanatical Pats fan (his dad has had season tickets for over 40 years). His comp for Mac Jones was Phil Simms, and that made a ton of sense to me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) Geez Louise. Mac Jones is Mac Jones. He isn't Tom Brady, Drew Brees or Baker Mayfield (or Andy Dalton or Trent Edwards or any other unathletic pocket passer who has entered the league over the past 20 years). I will say this, though, over the past 10-15 years, the best quarterbacks who have entered the league have all had +physical traits that set them apart from their peers - be it speed/escapability, extraordinary size/strength, or a Howitzer for an arm. The best quarterbacks (outside of Brady) usually have at least two of these traits (Rodgers, Mahomes, etc.) combined with good-to-excellent accuracy. Jones really only has his brain and an accurate arm, so I think it's an uphill climb for him to become an "elite" player at the position, but maybe he'll turn out to be the one-in-a-million exception like you know who. Edited December 2, 2021 by TheBrownBear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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