SuperBills12 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) Might it be a good time use Antonio Williams in the run game? He's a bigger and more physical back. Although we have limited film, he did appear to have that burst we are lacking. Thoughts? Clip: https://www.nfl.com/videos/williams-find-opening-for-second-td-on-the-day Edited November 9, 2021 by SuperBills12 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Moss may be out with concussion so it’s possible unless they go with Breida 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBills12 Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 Another clip: https://www.nfl.com/videos/williams-bolts-through-wide-open-lane-for-18-yard-score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 We could always do worse, like we are right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 He may be our best shot. We need a guy that can break 5 tackles in less than .5 second. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar High JA17 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Williams!!!! We need guys like this to help too...Teller 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I am sure pretty much everything is on the table at this point. I don’t think any player not playing currently is making a difference. If you want to run you have to commit to it. I think we had less than 10 attempts again. That’s just not gonna get anyone in a rhythm. If you want to establish a run game you need at least 20 attempts in a game. We may not be efficient, we may average 2 yards a carry for awhile. Some games it may not work, but I’m of the mindset you still have to try. I don’t care what combo or how they’d like to distribute carries but I think the majority of fans don’t want to see designed runs for Allen anymore, and they don’t want to see 40+ pass attempts when we cannot execute pass protection. If they choose to pound Williams up the middle or try and get Breida around the edge or make a gap for singletary I’m good with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Moss may be out with concussion so it’s possible unless they go with Breida Breida? Thought he was the unknown soldier! Has he ever been active? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said: Breida? Thought he was the unknown soldier! Has he ever been active? Maybe week 1 or 2 edit - it was week 1, moss was inactive Edited November 8, 2021 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I would give the tires a better spin on Williams at this point than Breida. Not been impressed by the limited action I've seen out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I would like them to take a look at him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I think they should consider going with Brieda and Williams. Have Singletary take a seat, plus assuming Moss my be out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane nelson Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 We need a physical power runner. From what I have seen, which is limited, he could be that guy. I like both Singletary and Moss, but they appear to be the same type of back. We need a bruiser. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobills89 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I know it gets old having us wyo fans claim for our players but Brian Hill I think is on a practice squad somewhere, 6 1 220, could use a bruiser runner, has some speed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 40 minutes ago, Blainorama5 said: I would give the tires a better spin on Williams at this point than Breida. Not been impressed by the limited action I've seen out of him. Agree. Williams runs with some power, which will be lacking without Moss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Sugar High JA17 said: Williams!!!! We need guys like this to help too...Teller Back up the truck. He’s gonna be a free agent. Speaks well of Buffalo and his time there. 23 minutes ago, shane nelson said: We need a physical power runner. From what I have seen, which is limited, he could be that guy. I like both Singletary and Moss, but they appear to be the same type of back. We need a bruiser. Moss is absolutely a bruiser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 29 minutes ago, cage said: I think they should consider going with Brieda and Williams. Have Singletary take a seat, plus assuming Moss my be out. And how do these guys do in regards to Blitz pick ups....I would not bring both up and they are missing speed form the RB position imo there is no threat of the RB beating you to the edge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, SuperBills12 said: Might it be a good time use Antonio Williams in the run game? He's a bigger and more physical back. Although we have limited film, he did appear to have that burst we are lacking. Thoughts? Clip: https://www.nfl.com/videos/williams-find-opening-for-second-td-on-the-day Do you honestly think changing running backs is going to make any difference when it’s been well established that our backs have INCHES when it comes to YAC? Many straws has been grasped here over the past 24 hours 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I like this thread. Realistic fixes to problems rather than just b*tching about Beane not constructing the perfect team. Williams would be a nice replacement for Moss, short term. See if he has more juice... he'll definitely "want it" more than Moss. This might be a hot take, but I wouldn't mind giving BOTH Breida and Williams a shot next week and sitting Singletary. What does Singletary do well? Maybe some agility and some pass catching ability... but no speed and can't break a tackle to save his life. If you have bad O-Line play, you need guys who can either run away from the pressure or run through it. Singletary can't do either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Rigotz said: What does Singletary do well? Singletary is averaging 4.9 yards per carry this season and 4.8 for his career. What he does well is gain yards on the ground. I've called him ordinary but the term is relative...........he HAS done a good job gaining yards rather consistently since he entered the league..........he just isn't a $15M/year RB. If they weren't getting bitchslapt at the LOS he could certainly put up close to 1,000 yards on 12-14 carries per game. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Sugar High JA17 said: Williams!!!! We need guys like this to help too...Teller Was Johnson the OL coach when we waived goodbye to Wyatt? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Sitting Taiwan Jones and bring up Brieda and Williams would be fine by me. As others have said, none of these RB's are great but it's the o-line. Let's not make this more complicated than it needs to be. They couldn't run block last year and the hope was that with Ford healthy and Feliciano healthy the starting five that never played a snap together last year would be better. Well it has worked out they are far worse. Last year the group was an elite pass blocking unit. This year they can't run block at all or pass block consistently. Beane and McD screwed this up and unless Brown can come back and play a capable RT I can't see how they can make a legit SB run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 It was so frustrating watching Singletary break a tackle, yet get tackled by the same guy that he broke away from after a 1 yard gain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I honestly think they just need to give one guy the bulk of the carries and still think that should be singletary who is the more well rounded back in terms of pass protection and pass catching. And the numbers say he's been the better guy all along. So maybe this will be his chance this week to have a true breakout game and be the workhorse back going foward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 37 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Was Johnson the OL coach when we waived goodbye to Wyatt? Yes. Bobby Johnson has been with Bills since 2019. Wyatt Teller traded August 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Niagara Dude Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 hours ago, SuperBills12 said: Might it be a good time use Antonio Williams in the run game? He's a bigger and more physical back. Although we have limited film, he did appear to have that burst we are lacking. Thoughts? Clip: https://www.nfl.com/videos/williams-find-opening-for-second-td-on-the-day They should move him to active roster, way more burst and speed. What harm in playing against the Jets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Sugar High JA17 said: Williams!!!! We need guys like this to help too...Teller I can’t believe we traded him away. The guy is a stud. He was destroying people yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Jeez, might as well activate Christian Wade... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Yes, a good time to bring him in, we're gonna desperately needs his 4 rushing attempts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Jeez, might as well activate Christian Wade... Not sure if he is sill on the practice squad, I would just sit Moss and bring up Williams , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Just now, Niagara Dude said: Not sure if he is sill on the practice squad, I would just sit Moss and bring up Williams , Of course he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Singletary is averaging 4.9 yards per carry this season and 4.8 for his career. What he does well is gain yards on the ground. I've called him ordinary but the term is relative...........he HAS done a good job gaining yards rather consistently since he entered the league..........he just isn't a $15M/year RB. If they weren't getting bitchslapt at the LOS he could certainly put up close to 1,000 yards on 12-14 carries per game. Great post and exactly right. Singletary is a good back and it is doubly impressive that he puts up the per carry averages he does behind such a poor run blocking oline. He doesn't have speed, but and can make guys miss and he is a surprisingly hard runner and difficult to bring down if he can get some momentum. He has good contact balance. The problem is, he is small. He isn't the type that can deal with defenders in the backfield right as he receives the handoff. In fact, I'm not sure if any running backs are good in that situation. Even the "bruiser" types need to get a few steps of momentum at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoAZBillfan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Maybe it’s a blocking issue, but I’d like to see the kid in a meaningful game🤷🏼♂️Why not? Dabs might be a problem at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) I'm going to say this with all due respect. You could have ***** Barry Sanders back there. The oline is horrid. Makes zero difference Edited November 9, 2021 by Dablitzkrieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 4 hours ago, starrymessenger said: Back up the truck. He’s gonna be a free agent. Speaks well of Buffalo and his time there. Moss is absolutely a bruiser. Moss may have been a bruiser in college , but #o far in his career in the NFL , he is the one getting bruised. He is not a huge , bruising Or fast back that strikes fear in NFL caliber players. He was out last year with injuries a few games , got benched for some reason the first game of the season which actually is hard to believe, and now is in the concussion protocol so obviously he was the guy who made the wrong business decision when it came to being hit on that play. He has 3-4 ok runs a game but can’t be counted on for short yardage so far. His best work has been in the screen game where he is dependable but he is not going to break away and be any consistent explosive play threat. The backs are one area where Beane has not done well. He has under valued them because of Dabolls dependence on the passing game . Mcd was not happy about the 9 carry running game in Jax and said that effort wouldn’t do as you at least have to make the d concerned about the run game. He mentioned or responded to a reporter saying this was the second time this type of low attempt execution happened and he said it was not acceptable. Sounds like he was in the middle of communicating things to his staff when he had to break for the presser, and he was going back right after to continue getting his thoughts across ( paraphrase). As he said, we can’t ignore the stones in our shoes and he was addressing the issues that need to be fixed relatively quickly. Reading between the lines, he was not going to accept the same type of game planning / play calling relying so much on Josh throwing. I would bet Daboll won’t be so inflexible about running facing the Jets. Moss may be out depending on the concussion protocol, and it would be a good time to try Williams. I hope Beane rethinks his satisfaction level with our backs. They don’t exactly scare people running in open space., and regardless of the o line, this is the second year watching other teams backs look more effective in short yardage and in the red zone than moss or singletary. After seeing Baltimore and even Tennessee replace their starters and still win or be competitive, it’s hard to believe we can’t find someone to challenge the 2.2 yard / carry our backs produced yesterday. It’s hard to find or replace interior lineman now , but our backs have a role in our lackluster run game as well. Why not kick the tires on someone, because if we sit still this years SB window appears to be slowly closing. ( the Steelers are making a comeback and how good is Harris helping revive Ben’s year and that offense ? Evidence that it’s worth using higher picks on quality backs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DrPJax said: Moss may have been a bruiser in college , but #o far in his career in the NFL , he is the one getting bruised. He is not a huge , bruising Or fast back that strikes fear in NFL caliber players. He was out last year with injuries a few games , got benched for some reason the first game of the season which actually is hard to believe, and now is in the concussion protocol so obviously he was the guy who made the wrong business decision when it came to being hit on that play. He has 3-4 ok runs a game but can’t be counted on for short yardage so far. His best work has been in the screen game where he is dependable but he is not going to break away and be any consistent explosive play threat. The backs are one area where Beane has not done well. He has under valued them because of Dabolls dependence on the passing game . Mcd was not happy about the 9 carry running game in Jax and said that effort wouldn’t do as you at least have to make the d concerned about the run game. He mentioned or responded to a reporter saying this was the second time this type of low attempt execution happened and he said it was not acceptable. Sounds like he was in the middle of communicating things to his staff when he had to break for the presser, and he was going back right after to continue getting his thoughts across ( paraphrase). As he said, we can’t ignore the stones in our shoes and he was addressing the issues that need to be fixed relatively quickly. Reading between the lines, he was not going to accept the same type of game planning / play calling relying so much on Josh throwing. I would bet Daboll won’t be so inflexible about running facing the Jets. Moss may be out depending on the concussion protocol, and it would be a good time to try Williams. I hope Beane rethinks his satisfaction level with our backs. They don’t exactly scare people running in open space., and regardless of the o line, this is the second year watching other teams backs look more effective in short yardage and in the red zone than moss or singletary. After seeing Baltimore and even Tennessee replace their starters and still win or be competitive, it’s hard to believe we can’t find someone to challenge the 2.2 yard / carry our backs produced yesterday. It’s hard to find or replace interior lineman now , but our backs have a role in our lackluster run game as well. Why not kick the tires on someone, because if we sit still this years SB window appears to be slowly closing. ( the Steelers are making a comeback and how good is Harris helping revive Ben’s year and that offense ? Evidence that it’s worth using higher picks on quality backs) You’re right. Moss is not at this level of play a big power back with a quick step and a move or two like say Dillon in Green Bay (a second round pick). But he is a tough runner and a very different back than Motor (who the poster I think was saying was the same). And I agree, and have said, that neither one is very good if compared with many others drafted around where they were, or later, so they have underperformed relative to where they were selected. They are far from Beane’s greatest accomplishments. And I think Beane knows this. Rumour is he was interested in Melvin Gordon. For sure he had discussions regarding leveon Bell and now (some say) Adrian Peterson. But, in my opinion both Moss and Motor can be serviceable, meaning that they are capable of doing just enough to keep opposing defences honest to where the passing game can progress. They don’t do that of course but the reason has more to do with an o line that can’t run block, either because the ability isn’t there or because Daboll is simply not good at scheming and play calling for a ground game. It looks completely underdeveloped. Daboll is no Greg Roman. It was especially ineffective yesterday as you say. Get a better back and yes you will get better production but behind the line we saw yesterday it’s not likely to be enough to materially change how opposing DCs plan for the Bills offence, which I think would remain too unidimensional. But hey maybe they will now get it together. We will see. While Beane wasn’t maybe at his best when he picked his backs, his bigger mistake imo was picking Ford instead of Risner (who went right after) and sending Teller to Cleveland. Edited November 9, 2021 by starrymessenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 5 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: I honestly think they just need to give one guy the bulk of the carries and still think that should be singletary who is the more well rounded back in terms of pass protection and pass catching. And the numbers say he's been the better guy all along. So maybe this will be his chance this week to have a true breakout game and be the workhorse back going foward. I agree. I think he would be more effective as the so called feature back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 10 hours ago, SuperBills12 said: Might it be a good time use Antonio Williams in the run game? He's a bigger and more physical back. Although we have limited film, he did appear to have that burst we are lacking. Thoughts? Clip: https://www.nfl.com/videos/williams-find-opening-for-second-td-on-the-day How is his pass protection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Maybe week 1 or 2 edit - it was week 1, moss was inactive He was the recipient of the ill-fated pitch on fourth and stupid. 9 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I'm going to say this with all due respect. You could have ***** Barry Sanders back there. The oline is horrid. Makes zero difference Agreed. Maybe with Breida we get the speed necessary to run an outside zone here and there. I'm out of answers on the o-line and the run game. They suck, it sucks, and it won't improve measurably until the interior play improves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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