10/18/21 Gameday Bills @ Titans Postgame thread

[buffalo2218]

3 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Offense - just gave up running the ball, and started firing it deep. The short middle stuff was there. This really pisses me off because TEN was down to scrubs in the defensive backfield and like morons Buffalo goes for the LOW PERCENT deep balls only to see with their own two stupid eyes that that never ever freaking works in the NFL. You complete one or two of those a game no matter how many you throw. Stupid Buffalo should beat the living hell out the corners with skilled routes and high percentage completions. But they shouldn’t have been throwing that much to begin with.

 

Run the damn ball!! Jesus. Run the goddam ball when you’re defense is clueless. Stop abandoning the run. If the there’s a theme with this team it’s that it gets desperate and turns into a Josh Allen bullet contest when patience and sustained drives is totally possible because of superior talent.

 

Defense - pretty awful. Can’t stop the same AJ Brown in route time and time again. Just when I thought Edmunds was playing faster and going, he does this. If he’s a fourth round draft pick, he’s not sticking around this long. Time’s up 49. I’m over his one second delay and lost in coverage ass.

 

ST - zero in the return game. Finally break one and it’s a penalty. Looks like the punter discovered kicking the ball some time tonight, which is nice. Bass is one of the best kickers in the league. But the return game has no impact out there.
 

The NFC did Buffalo some favors this weekend, and Buffalo hand the conference a freebie. The shield showed respect with a Sunday Night, then Monday Night, then bye. Buffalo needed to come away with a win given what was going on out there on the field. 

The running game was not there, at all. Even Josh couldn't run, except on that sack, he had the middle of the field WIDE OPEN. That whole series was just horrid. All we had to do was get a couple of first downs

[Old Coot]

4 minutes ago, Process said:

Ugh this is hard to watch. The way the defense lined up, we convert a sneak here 98/100 times. 

UGHHHH

QB should go straight ahead as soon as the ball is hiked.  Josh danced to his left and then tried to go in.  hard to say what this play was designed to do; maybe Josh off left tackle but Sweeney's block is late.

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson said:

 

 

Seems like a bit of a harsh take. 

[Chandler#81]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Off game for Josh but he makes the throws required to be great. When he gets that deer in the headlights look, thats when you worry; but he still performs. 

What the Hell are you talking about, son?? 358 yrds passing, 3 TD passes and he caught a touchdown! 
Off game?? Jesus Christ!

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I disagree. We don't know what other teams would have done, but I still think kicking was the right call. But if you don't kick, call a better play. Nobody can cover Diggs or Beasley on a pass play that only needs 1/2 yard. Spread out the WR's and hit one of them.

Hated the call or at least force the refs to review the previous run by Josh. That buys you time to come up with a better 4th down play.

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Allen was 34/47 for 353 yards and 3 TD with a fluky INT when his arm was hit as he threw the ball.  Do you watch pro football?  Even the best QB's miss open receivers all the time. 

 

I'll let you in on a little secrete with the way the O line played tonight and in a couple of other games this year only Allen's freakishly good escapability keeps the sack totals relative low. There are a lot of QB's in the NFL not named Allen who would have been sacked 4 or 5 times tonight.

 

 

 

Agree that Allen would be sacked much more behind this OL.  But he did not have his best game tonight.  When under pressure he generally notices those open WR's.  This OL is a disaster.  It was a liability last year, and we did nothing substantial to fix it.   The DL is also a disaster, no sacks on Tanny.  

[Joe Ferguson]

I'm going to be depressed seeing other teams making touchdowns near the goal line.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

He missed a wide enough open Diggs in the end zone earlier in the game. You can’t do that against good teams. But I don’t blame Josh, I put most of the blame on our Oline and RBs. 

 

'Scuse me.  Did our D get one single solitary stop on the Titans in the 2nd half?  I think that fact may have some applicability when assigning responsibility.

[newcam2012]

10 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I knew we'd lose if we went for it even though I think it was probably the right call so I wasn't really surprised lol I'm almost happy we tried the sneak because that was the highest percentage play...if we had thrown an incompletion I wouldve lost my mind 

I would have preferred a run pass roll out option. Have a tight end in the end zone.  Leave it in Josh's hands to either run or pass it. Of course if that didn't work Every one would becsayingvwe should have run a QB sneak. 

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Our OL, DL & RB's were garbage tonight. 

 

 

 

It was striking watching Henry run then our guys - nothing against them they're OK.  And Henry will do that to most.

 

But....we have below average running backs defenses don't respect.  That's why we have had red zone issues - they aren't biting on fakes.  

 

And Knox....I'm just waiting for the broke hand 8 weeks news.  

[78thealltimegreat]

7 minutes ago, billsherd said:

You forgot also catch TDs

Oh thank you I forgot 

[transplantbillsfan]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Off game for Josh but he makes the throws required to be great. When he gets that deer in the headlights look, thats when you worry; but he still performs. 

 

If a 74.5% completion percentage, 375+ yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT is an "off game" for any QB then break out the gold jacket already.

Edited October 19, 2021 by transplantbillsfan

[BigDingus]

39 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

1st half we got serious pressure but few , zero... sacks. 2nd half...yes agree. 

 

I only caught from the 2nd quarter on, so probably why I didn't know about the good stuff lol

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson said:

 

They scored 31 points. Not so much mad at Daboll than I am Frazier. Did Klein get any snaps tonight? Milano is a horrible blitzer. Didn’t get home at all tonight. Klein seems to be better at it

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

7 minutes ago, Weatherman said:

Titans scored on their last 6 possessions, the D game plan was trash.  Going for it on 4th and inches with JA under center was the right call.  Titans got lucky that Allen slipped and the online caved.  

Maybe with 3 timeouts that's is possibly the right call... but the playbook would've been limited, and a TD was far from guaranteed in that situation, especially given the Offenses shortcomings earlier in the game in similar down and distance. 

 

People are acting as if it was goal to go.  He was only picking up another chance or two at a score before potentially still having to settle for a FG, not worth the risk when you factor all that.

 

Also, there is still a 50% chance Buffalo wins the flip, who's to say Titans ever get the chance to see the field???

 

I like Josh and the offense's odds against a depleted Titans defense to go right back out there and score if they had won the flip and got the ball right back...

 

Even if they don't, if I'm McDermott, I still have to have faith in my defense to atleast hold Tennessee to a FG should they win the flip.

 

 

[BillsFan692]

7 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

I don't think so.  We can't stop Henry or the play action.  Exact same they way they played us last year.  If we continue to sell out on Henry, they just pass right over the top.  

Our "fear " of henry is legit annoying. Most pansy defense play calling i ever seen. Literally sold out hard to stop the run after that 76 yard TD. So what they broke one questionable non call holding... so what dont change your game thats some candy a#$ $#!+

[Norcalbillsfan]

5 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

I don't think so.  We can't stop Henry or the play action.  Exact same they way they played us last year.  If we continue to sell out on Henry, they just pass right over the top.  

I agree that we can't stop Henry, don't get me started on how I feel about edmunds. But I think any other night josh drops over 40 on that secondary even the healthy dbs. Josh just seemed to miss alot of plays he usually hits.

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

It was striking watching Henry run then our guys - nothing against them they're OK.  And Henry will do that to most.

 

But....we have below average running backs defenses don't respect.  That's why we have had red zone issues - they aren't biting on fakes.  

 

And Knox....I'm just waiting for the broke hand 8 weeks news.  

 

if Knox is hurt trade for TJ Hock. 

[buffalonian]

Just now, Chandler#81 said:

What the Hell are you talking about, son?? 358 yrds passing, 3 TD passes and he caught a touchdown! 
Off game?? Jesus Christ!

Man, this place is a wasteland following a tough Bills loss.
 

Allen was clearly not the reason for the loss. It’s unfathomable that some folks see it otherwise. 

[klos63]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Hated the call or at least force the refs to review the previous run by Josh. That buys you time to come up with a better 4th down play.

under 2 minutes, can't challenge the play. Only from upstairs.

[folz]

Yeah, definitely put this L on the defense, but let's not forget...

 

The Titans have one of the best RBs ever. He's about to lead the league in rushing for the third straight season. That has only been done by 4 backs in history: Steve Van Burren, Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, and Emmitt Smith---all of whom are in the Hall of Fame. His three year stretch is better than Terrell Davis' 3-year stretch that got him into the Hall. This guy is a shoo-in HOFer.

 

They also have Julio...first ballot HOFer; A.J. Brown who is a bonafide stud receiver (2,126 yds and 20 TDs in his first two years in the league); and an above average QB.

 

That is a very talented team we just played, in their building, looking for a statement win with their two returning stud receivers going up against "the best team in the AFC" as we were being called. They were highly motivated. I thought the Bills would pull it out, but it's not like we were playing against scrubs by any means. So I'm not going to be too hard on the defense.

 

It was a great game and we came up inches short. I was 60/40 on kicking the field goal at the end, but don't fault McD at all for going for the win. A couple years ago, people were saying they wish McDermott would have more of a killer instinct and not play it safe. Well he was aggressive and we lost.

 

Honestly, no shame in this loss. Very disappointing, but in the long run, probably not that big a deal (unless home field comes down to us and Tenn at the end of the year). Once again, this loss will keep the team humble and hungry throughout the bye week and not buy into their own hype. Go rest, retool, and come out guns blazing the rest of the season.

 

Just wish we could have gotten the win to rub the stupid "Homerun throwback" attempt in Vrable's face. What an arrogant Fn call. 

 

Go Bills!

[Roundybout]

We were so close to getting Tannehill. I have to give him credit, he's very good at maneuvering in the pocket. 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

'Scuse me.  Did our D get one single solitary stop on the Titans in the 2nd half?  I think that fact may have some applicability when assigning responsibility.

I’ve already placed some blame on the D. We need a true #2cb. 

[buffalo2218]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

'Scuse me.  Did our D get one single solitary stop on the Titans in the 2nd half?  I think that fact may have some applicability when assigning responsibility.

I'm not understanding the hate on Allen, we can't expect him to cover the deficiencies on defense. Allen did his job and then some, I have no issue with him. Biggest issue I have was Poyer being wrapped up on Henry's long TD run

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, BigDingus said:

 

I only caught from the 2nd quarter on, so probably why I didn't know about the good stuff lol

 

you missed the "we are in the red zone and can't score a TD" time.  

[Cheektowaga Chad]

I think it was a Brendan Staley interview in the off season that I listened to, his over all thoughts were that you need to trust analytics a lot but then there will be times you go against it and should have no issue doing so. Because each game has different flow and each game has different teams and situations. Mentioned that when you are moving the ball at will take a more conservative approach. When you are out matched take an aggressive approach 

 

Coaches need to read the game

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

It was striking watching Henry run then our guys - nothing against them they're OK.  And Henry will do that to most.

 

But....we have below average running backs defenses don't respect.  That's why we have had red zone issues - they aren't biting on fakes.  

 

And Knox....I'm just waiting for the broke hand 8 weeks news.  

I might have a hot take here but I think our rbs do pretty well considering they get 0 running lanes.  Our offensive line had a good year pass blocking last year but they were bad run blocking and in a cap reduced year we really didn't have the opportunity to do a complete offensive line rebuild.  You could plop Derrick henry on our roster and he ain't going for 100+ in a game 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Maybe with 3 timeouts that's is possibly the right call... but the playbook would've been limited, and a TD was far from guaranteed in that situation, especially given the Offenses shortcomings earlier in the game in similar down and distance. 

 

People are acting as if it was goal to go.  He was only picking up another chance or two at a score before potentially still having to settle for a FG, not worth the risk when you factor all that.

 

Also, there is still a 50% chance Buffalo wins the flip, who's to say Titans ever get the chance to see the field???

 

I like Josh and the offense's odds against a depleted Titans defense to go right back out there and score if they had won the flip and got the ball right back...

 

Even if they don't, if I'm McDermott, I still have to have faith in my defense to atleast hold Tennessee to a FG should they win the flip.

 

 

Did you see our defense this evening? If Titans had won the toss we would have lost anyway.

Edited October 19, 2021 by UKBillFan

[billybob71]

after this tough to swallow loss dont think i would want to be Dolphins Jags or Jets right now

[billsbackto81]

5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

If the defense isn't good enough, don't you go for the Win?

It's a tough decision. You got to think sooner or later the D would make a big stop. It just didn't happen in the 2nd half, they couldn't get Tenn off the field or Tannehill on the ground. 

[Eastport bills]

49 minutes ago, Success said:

The best loss I've ever experienced.

 

You play to win the game. I would like to congratulate coach McDermott for not retreating into a shell, and for showing that this team is all in.

 

Great take , unlike the people that want them to kick it. Playing not to lose never is a good look.

[RyanC883]

Just now, buffalonian said:

Man, this place is a wasteland following a tough Bills loss.
 

Allen was clearly not the reason for the loss. It’s unfathomable that some folks see it otherwise. 

 

not sure anyone is blaming Allen for the loss (perhaps I'm just missing it), but he did not have his best game.  He usually sees WR's, esp. Sanders, open in the endzone.  

 

Any why should people be happy after a loss when the team overall played like garbage.  We played a defense that was totally injured, esp. at CB, and all-pro WR's can't make plays because we are now running the ball?  The D can't stop their WR's in man coverage, and Henry is a beast, but come on, we made him look even better.  

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

What the Hell are you talking about, son?? 358 yrds passing, 3 TD passes and he caught a touchdown! 
Off game?? Jesus Christ!

It’s felt like Allen was struggling tonite, his passes tonite were very wobbly. I don’t know if it was Monday nite football pressure or just a bad game but the ball did not spin out of his hand tonight like it usually does. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

If the defense isn't good enough, don't you go for the Win?

 

That's the argument I can acknowledge in favor of "going for it".  But Dawkins had a false start penalty and we'd gotten stuffed on an early "and 1" play.

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

Did you see our defence this evening? If Titans had won the toss we would have lost anyway.

I saw them get held to FGs, acting like they are guaranteed a TD is just ridiculous. D wasn't having their best night, but not every drive was ending in 6.

[klos63]

Just now, Eastport bills said:

Great take , unlike the people that want them to kick it. Playing not to lose never is a good look.

So we who wanted to kick were wrong?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

It’s felt like Allen was struggling tonite, his passes tonite were very wobbly. I don’t know if it was Monday nite football pressure or just a bad game but the ball did not spin out of his hand tonight like it usually does. 

 

Um, No.  There were a couple of times when a defender got a hand on it causing it to wobble.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Agree that Allen would be sacked much more behind this OL.  But he did not have his best game tonight.  When under pressure he generally notices those open WR's.  This OL is a disaster.  It was a liability last year, and we did nothing substantial to fix it.   The DL is also a disaster, no sacks on Tanny.  

Does anyone have any specific examples of these plays where wrs were open for tds and just got missed? I heard the commentators say it a couple times after the pocket broke down and they sounded silly to me 🤣  it takes some time to load up for a deep throw that he just didn't have on any of those plays.

[CincyBillsFan]

14 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

impacts us in the standings.  And concerning that Allen missed a bunch of open WR's when under pressure.  That's not normal.  And concerning that our offense was stalled by a depleted defense in the red zone, again, we can't seem to get a TD in the red zone and it cost us the game.  

 

 

Allen didn't miss a "bunch" of wide open WR's tonight. Maybe 2 or 3 at most.  EVERY QB misses a couple of wide open receivers almost every game.  And our offense was stalled because we have an average O  line and mediocre RB's.  Allen & the WR's hide a lot of deficiencies in the offense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson]

At least this games showed us that the Bills are not peaking yet. I want the team to peak a month before the playoff starts.