ALgators Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 A list that doesn't include Kevin Kolb isnt a list I want part of 😢 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Without going too far back listing names that obviously were bad QBs, I will just do top 5 after Kelly..... Allen (of course) Bledsoe Flutie Taylor (after some thought, went Taylor over Fitz basically due to less TO's) Fitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Allen Trubitsky (Although he never started for Buffalo he's better than everyone else on the list) Everyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 5 hours ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: Tuel, Peterman, Brohm. God that’s hard to believe. I remember banging the drum for Brohm. I really had a lot to rethink about my ability to judge players. I got a lot of heat from the Brohm supporters when I tried to explain that there was no way that our management at the time was capable of outsmarting the best GMs in the league by signing a guy off GB's practice squad who they didn't even bat an eye for when he was waived before his 2nd season. My theory was that QBs are treated like gold by the NFL GMs. Teams don't release a 2nd round QB one year later and no waiver claims come in unless the film (mostly pre-season) indicates he's a bust. I said at the time how can anyone believe Russell Brandon could steal a guy with GMs like Ozzie Newsome & Bill Polian not having made a waiver claim earlier in the year. The funniest replies gave Buddy Nix the credit as if he could ever outsmart all the GMs. The closest thing to Brohm since then is Josh Rosen who up until he failed with 3 or 4 teams, his die hards still were waiting for him to emerge. The bottom line is the actions of the GMs in the league can give you a pretty good idea if a highly drafted QB is a bust when his 1st team dumps him. The ones with any potential left don't land on practice squads. The only exceptions are late round QBs or free agent QBs who can sometimes be far enough under the radar that a team can sneak him through waivers. But a 1st, 2nd or even a 3rd round QB who gets dumped within 2 years with virtually no interest around the league isn't going to be anyone's answer. I'm so glad we are light years away from fans getting excited with a QB signing off another team's practice squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Josh Flutie Orton Bledsoe Tyrod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 6 hours ago, artmalibu said: Fitz would have gotten the Bills to the playoffs in the Orton year imo...... . Fitz would have gotten the first down on 3rd and puss. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Thad was such a gamer tho 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Allen TT Bledsoe Fitz The rest are all collectively garbage including fan favorite Flutie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoName Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Jim Kelly Josh Allen Tyrod Taylor Doug Flutie Fitzpatrick Bledsoe Todd Collins Kyle Orton Pillsbury throw boy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Buffalo rumblings lists nate Peterman above 5 other quarterbacks? How? The guy is one of the worst qbs I have ever seen play let alone start a game Every single guy they list below him I would take 100 out of a 100 times. Their list legit has me triggered lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Imma take a stab at this, with explanations: Josh Allen - Duh Doug Flutie - Took us to more playoff games than anyone else on this list. If he starts the Titians game, we win, go to the SB, and win that. Wade should have resigned when Ralph ordered him to start Scrub Johnson in the playoff game. Ryan Fitzpatrick - The 2011 win over the Cheats was one of the greatest Bills victories ever. Drew Bledsoe - Decent QB on the downside of his career, we didn't have enough pieces on offense to make it work. But I still remember that overtime win against the Viqueens, another of the Bills best wins of the drought era. Tyrod Taylor - Never was a fan, never will be a fan of a QB with no balls. He was so totally risk averse that what he saved you in TOs, he cost you in opportunities to win. Alex Van Pelt (YEAH, I SEDDIT!!!) - Will never forget him taking the Bills the length of the field for a TD against the Squeelers in the Bruce Smith flu playoff game after Kelly became Batman. Kelly had a Snickers on the sideline, went back in, threw 2 INTs, game over. AVP never got any love in Buffalo, we even played that ahole Billy Joe Neckbert ahead of him. Body by Pillsbury, arm and brain of Chad Pennington. J.P. Losman - All the tools, great arm, could not figure out the small stuff. Was never the same after Troy Vincent broke his leg in training camp "just to teach him a lesson". Anybody else find it ironic that Troy Vincent became the NFL's Director of Player Safety? Matt Barkley - Great locker room guy, loved seeing him light up the Jest. EJ Manuel - Was playing OK his rookie season before getting injured in Cleveland. His career essentially ended when JJ Watt picked off the lob to Fred Jackson for a pick 6, and Maroon pulled the plug. His last gasp came in London against the Jags, when he overcame a nightmarish first half to bring the Bills all the way back to the lead. The rainbow he threw to Marcus Easley for the go ahead score was a thing of beauty. What might have been if the refs don't make the phantom PI call on Nuke to keep the Jags alive on that last drive.... Kyle Orton - 3rd and puss, 'nuff said. Trent Edwards - Good looking QB who became Trentative after he was concussed in a game. Rob Johnson - Joke of a QB who cost the Bills a playoff game, couldn't stay healthy, and ruined the Bills chances while they had the best defense in the league. Todd Collins - Outplayed by AVP in preseason, the Bills nevertheless decided to go with the high draft pick, with predictable results. Thad Lewis - Only slightly better than Tuel, but doomed just the same. Jeff Tuel - While the pick 6 against KC effectively ended his career, the play I remember happened in the Cleveland game after EJ got injured. Tuel threw a perfect 40-yard rainbow to TJumptomakeacatch Graham, who promptly dropped it, killing the Bills chances of a comeback. Love ya Tuel Time! Kelly Holcomb - yawn. Matt Cassel - really? Derek Anderson - huh? Brian Brohm - Who? Nathan Peterman - C'mon man. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Josh Drew Who Cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 38 minutes ago, NoName said: Pillsbury throw boy Awesome nickname for AVP!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 32 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Drew Bledsoe - Decent QB on the downside of his career, we didn't have enough pieces on offense to make it work. But I still remember that overtime win against the Viqueens, another of the Bills best wins of the drought era Really? imo that offense was pretty solid. Moulds was there, Peerless Price at the time was decent. TE J. Riemersma. The pieces were there for a productive offense and they were at times. I always thought it was more Bledsoe. Just wasn't quite the same after he took that hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 As long as Johnson is above Flutie I’ll be ok. Kelly Allen Bledsoe Fitzpatrick Johnson Flutie meh……… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, FormerlyPT5P said: Thad was such a gamer tho This is what I came to post lol. I think I once said Thad would be kinda like our lesser version of Favre slinging the rock all over. The list gives me nightmares. I’m almost 41, dated a lot of women in my single years and never had my heart broken as much as that list repeatedly broke my heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Where’s the “slipped on a mat” guy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsnut Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 How many of these guys never started for another team?? (Stats guys) could help explain some of the suckage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay_Fixit said: As long as Johnson is above Flutie I’ll be ok. Kelly Allen Bledsoe Fitzpatrick Johnson Flutie meh……… Seriously? I can honestly say you are the first person I have come across that said that. Not knocking your opinion or anything, but I seriously can't recall any Bills fan or anyone in general that considered Johnson better than Flutie. Most, or nearly all were pissed he was benched for Johnson and I was one of those many ppl lol. Anyways, just curious to what makes you think that? He didn't do much of anything that would warrant me to think he was better than Flutie imo. Idk, but interesting take though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 9 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Poor Todd Collins, if he had just been a few years younger maybe he would have been drafted by the Pats in the 6th round and gone on to win Super Bowls. Crazy thing about Todd Collins is that he hung around the NFL for 16 years - 13 of them after he left Buffalo. In the first 10 years, after he left the Bills threw a grand total of 27 passes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Allen Flutie Bledsoe Taylor Fitz/Orton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) Any list that doesn’t start with Allen then Tyrod is incorrect. Tyrod made 2 pro bowls and was the one to break the playoff drought. He wasn’t the answer, but our offense under him for those 3 years were the highest scoring three year period in Bills history outside the first three SB years. Does it mean he was a top ranked starter. No it means the rest of our QBs between Kelly and Allen were pitiful. Edited October 17, 2021 by Alphadawg7 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Any list that doesn’t start with Allen then Tyrod is incorrect. Tyrod made 2 pro bowls and was the one to break the playoff drought. He wasn’t the answer, but our offense under him for those 3 years were the highest scoring three year period in Bills history outside the first three SB years. Does it mean he was a top ranked starter. No it means the rest of our QBs between Kelly and Allen were pitiful. Yeah I got Tyrod 3rd after Bledsoe. Which was a thinker, but went with Bledsoe 2nd since he did air it out more and imo was slightly the better QB. Can't begin to say how many times I screamed at the t.v for Tyrod to throw the damn ball lol. I'm sure many others did also, but Bledsoe was better overall QB imo. Not by much I assure you, but gave him the nod As to rest of bold.....yeah he made probowl, but I don't put much stock into that. Think he was an alternate for one of those if not mistaken. Anyway not taking that away or anything, but imo yeah he made some plays here and there, but he also left many plays on the field. The scoring history he lead as QB, I'd question if the run game they had then was a slightly more reason for that thn Tyrod actually was? Idk for sure, but Bills had best running game in the league at one point and basically stayed a top rushing team with him there. And yes I'm counting in the rushing plays he made. Anyways, why I went Bledsoe. I just think he is the slightly better overall QB imo So if Tyrod isn't after Allen it definitely doesn't make it "incorrect" Lol, jus my 2 cent Edited October 17, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1. Allen 2. Who really cares after that... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 They’re all rank before Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: Where’s the “slipped on a mat” guy? Never started a game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 5 hours ago, ticketssince61 said: Crazy thing about Todd Collins is that he hung around the NFL for 16 years - 13 of them after he left Buffalo. In the first 10 years, after he left the Bills threw a grand total of 27 passes Yep! I mentioned this last week in the Russell Wilson to miss starts and Geno Smith is his backup. When Todd came in and started for Washington after 10 years of never hearing a peep out of him, I almost gave myself whiplash. My head spun around to the TV and I was like no way that’s the same Todd Collins. Good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 One has to wonder had we not cut Tarvaris Jackson before Kolb's injury what he might have done. Other fun thoughts would be what if we drafted Rob Johnson instead of Todd Collins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 “Orton to the wall” Quote attributed to @BringBackFergy at some point during his reign at TBD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Four pages and no one has brought up that we could have had Mahomes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 21 hours ago, JohnNord said: Something fun going around Twitter. Based on the list below rank the Bills starting QB’s since Jim Kelly retired. After Josh it’s crap. FIFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 16 hours ago, JohnNord said: I disagree. Orton wasn’t the problem that year. The Bills defense failed in Oakland which is what screwed their season Never started a game for the Bills Billy Joe never started a game for the Bills. They released him before it got to that point Orton my not have been the problem but Fitz was better. Orton had no mobility, could not extend plays in the pocket, gain yards down field with his legs, and they had to alter the run game because Orton was not quick enough to get from behind center to hand the ball off on some plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, artmalibu said: Orton my not have been the problem but Fitz was better. Orton had no mobility, could not extend plays in the pocket, gain yards down field with his legs, and they had to alter the run game because Orton was not quick enough to get from behind center to hand the ball off on some plays. Orton should automatically be disqualified from any mention just for this play alone... 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 46 minutes ago, Gugny said: Four pages and no one has brought up that we could have had Mahomes? Rabble much? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I'd place Taylor third behind Allen and Flutie. Taylor was a Pro Bowler and had a playoff appearance. Bledsoe had one phenomenal year but ultimately no playoff appearances. Fitzy is 5th. Although he has better passing stats than Bledsoe, he had no Pro Bowl nods, playoffs or winning seasons. Allen Flutie Taylor Bledsoe Fitzpatrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 LOL at anybody that puts Flutie that far down the list. Dude was a winner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Allen Bledsoe Fitz Orton Losman The rest don't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 20 hours ago, SMAKCruiser said: Orton over Flutie?? Lol. Flutie should be no worse than 3rd... I'd even debate he should be second. And Trent Edwards gets a raw deal...He was much better than many of the folks on that list (that are above him) There were 17 QBs who started for the Bills between Kelly and Allen There were 17 years of Playoff drought Our QB wears the #17 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 41 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Orton should automatically be disqualified from any mention just for this play alone... How fitting, Fitzs stat line is on bottom of the screen 13 of 16 with a rushing TD... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) It gets tough for the first few after Allen because: 1) Some of these guys had careers outside Buffalo (e.g. Fitz, Bledsoe, Anderson) 2) A few of them had one good season in Buffalo but then went bad (Bledsoe, Fitz, Flutie, even Tyrod) 3) Others flashed at times but could not perform consistently And then there are some that were just plain bad. My list: Allen ... Bledsoe (his good year was very good, then faded hard) Flutie (misused, good in 98/99, also faded hard in 2000, but was electric before then) Fitz (maybe the same average result as an average QB but has a high variability that gives hope. Did bad after contract). Taylor (Better results for the team but faded during his time in Buff) Orton (Gave us some good games but ultimately nothing special) Beyond that it is a mess. Next tier - guys who showed promise but failed: Rob Johnson (He "flashed" at times but his sack rate was just unacceptable by any measure) Trent Edwards (Started out good then went bad, whether is was a concussion or bad coaching who knows) Next tier: Guys who were not good. Ranking is very hard. JP Losman EJ Manuel Kelly Holcomb Alex Van Pelt Todd Collins The rest... bad and short lived: Matt Barkley (had one good game) Thad Lewis Derek Anderson (not good here but had legit career) Jeff Tuel Brian Brohm Nathan Peterman (the worst) No rating: Matt Cassel (started only on a technicality, much better career than others listed, did less harm than Peterman) Edited October 18, 2021 by HalftimeAdjustment Forgot Brian Brohm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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