Commish Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 So the NFL routinely delays games for lightening. With the forecast - for the moment - holding pretty steady showing thunderstorms moving through Arrowhead around 11pm, why not move the game forward an hour, and ensure the game is finished without a delay? Make too much sense? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Makes a ton of sense but probably too many logistical hurdles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 No. It’s still 5:20pm, West Coast drive time. It’s all about the viewing audience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 you’re the commish, you tell us 1 9 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Looking at Wunderground right this moment I see rain in the forecast but no lightning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 46 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: No. It’s still 5:20pm, West Coast drive time. It’s all about the viewing audience. It Sunday night not Monday night. We don’t have ‘drive time’ on Sunday night out here. 😉 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I take it you've never done employee scheduling. It's far harder to bump a game up last minute than it is to push it back. There are at minimum hundreds of job shifts that would have to be rescheduled just to accommodate one hour ahead. It's not like a delay where you just pay them another hour because they are already there. On top of the logistical nightmare that would be (keep in mind it is the weekend and people will be hard to get ahold of), there could also be legal issues with last minute rescheduling of shifts. I don't know about KC but here in Ontario you can't just tell people oh BTW your shift tomorrow is changed. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 The NFL would never move the game forward for a very simple reason….TV. NBC would never go for that and the NFL wouldn’t move a game up that starts in prime time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Commish said: So the NFL routinely delays games for lightening. With the forecast - for the moment - holding pretty steady showing thunderstorms moving through Arrowhead around 11pm, why not move the game forward an hour, and ensure the game is finished without a delay? Make too much sense? what stinks is the weather is perfect all day, and then starts to turn just as the game starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: what stinks is the weather is perfect all day, and then starts to turn just as the game starts. Weather forecasting is scientific, but far from an exact science. It was supposed to pour rain all night in my city. Instead it just started this morning. It might be fine, it might not…. Don’t worry. Josh played pretty darn well in the rain after the int last week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 It would be easier to change the weather. 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Lived in Seattle 86-2003. For most of that time KIRO TV would delay Monday Night Football for 1 hour. So TV had a 7PM game, while radio was on at 6PM. KIRO had decided that they wanted to give people a chance to get home from work. Eventually the NFL found out about it, and the 1hr delay ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I assume the question is facetious as the NFL would never ever make that call. Worried about being up too late? I know, I am too, but I’m not missing this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Commish said: So the NFL routinely delays games for lightening. With the forecast - for the moment - holding pretty steady showing thunderstorms moving through Arrowhead around 11pm, why not move the game forward an hour, and ensure the game is finished without a delay? Make too much sense? What’s good, gents? What’s good? Commish, my good fellow… you make an excellent point, per usual! Let’s go to the powers that be and get clarification… @Roger Goodell are we moving this game up or what? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TailgateChef Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: what stinks is the weather is perfect all day, and then starts to turn just as the game starts. I bet the rain starts later than forecast. That always seems to be the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Ya Digg? said: The NFL would never move the game forward for a very simple reason….TV. NBC would never go for that and the NFL wouldn’t move a game up that starts in prime time Ya that's the other obvious consideration, but I was rushing to get into a bath and didn't bother addressing it heh. 1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said: Weather forecasting is scientific, but far from an exact science. It was supposed to pour rain all night in my city. Instead it just started this morning. It might be fine, it might not…. Don’t worry. Josh played pretty darn well in the rain after the int last week. Back when I went to regular nerd conventions, I had to constantly remind people on the forums about the unreliability of weather reports. People would pull up the 14 day forecast, and then make their plans for things based on the weather that far in advance. 1 hour ago, Marv's Neighbor said: Lived in Seattle 86-2003. For most of that time KIRO TV would delay Monday Night Football for 1 hour. So TV had a 7PM game, while radio was on at 6PM. KIRO had decided that they wanted to give people a chance to get home from work. Eventually the NFL found out about it, and the 1hr delay ended. My dad knew people who actually made a quite a good living for a while in the days before widespread internet betting on European soccer, because of broadcast delays. I have no idea who signed off on such a stupid system, but betting time cutoffs were based on when the tape delayed games would broadcast on our side of the pond, rather than the actual time the games were played. Yes, that means you could bet on the games until AFTER the games were over. They would simply call up friends in Europe, get them to check the locally reported final scores of the recently completed games, and rush to the store to buy bets before the games "started" on TV here. They did have to spread their bets around the region to avoid being cut off, but this went on for MONTHS before the powers that be realized how much money they were losing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commish Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 52 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: I assume the question is facetious as the NFL would never ever make that call. Worried about being up too late? I know, I am too, but I’m not missing this game. Not a facetious question. I appreciate that the biggest part of the equation is TV revenue, but ... if the forecast is accurate, and they have a hour-long delay in the game, how many viewers/$$ are they going to lose as a result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 The other issue is whichever network has the 4:25 game this week it's Fox would have a cow as wouldn't want Sunday Night Football going up against their game and also Fox wouldn't want to lose viewers for the beginning of their game as still watching the end of game on Fox, even if it is Giants V Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 How about just play it today? What's it like out? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: My dad knew people who actually made a quite a good living for a while in the days before widespread internet betting on European soccer, because of broadcast delays. I have no idea who signed off on such a stupid system, but betting time cutoffs were based on when the tape delayed games would broadcast on our side of the pond, rather than the actual time the games were played. Yes, that means you could bet on the games until AFTER the games were over. They would simply call up friends in Europe, get them to check the locally reported final scores of the recently completed games, and rush to the store to buy bets before the games "started" on TV here. They did have to spread their bets around the region to avoid being cut off, but this went on for MONTHS before the powers that be realized how much money they were losing. I recall a guy back in the 70's when they'd show title boxing matches a week or two later on ABC Wide World of Sports, bet his wife $20 who'd win the fight. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Hell with an hour! Just move it forward to 1 pm Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Commish said: So the NFL routinely delays games for lightening. With the forecast - for the moment - holding pretty steady showing thunderstorms moving through Arrowhead around 11pm, why not move the game forward an hour, and ensure the game is finished without a delay? Make too much sense? No. The NFL has contracts with network TV for the games to be started at specific times. If done far enough in advance to notify ticketholders and get all the stadium and parking lot attendants in place an hour earlier, it would be silly - thunderstorm arrival in the Midwest is just not that predictable. If done at the point where the weather prediction is pretty solid (say, 3 hrs before gametime) it would be Chaos and unfair to people who have purchased a ticket based on a specific start and entry time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: It’s all about the viewing audience. No way they would move the game up and conflict with the 4 pm games. Viewership at the end of the 4 pm games and the beginning of 8pm game all would be affected. It would cost the networks millions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Can we just move football to saturdays instead? This whole waiting for the weekend to be practically over to see the Bills play is rough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: No. The NFL has contracts with network TV for the games to be started at specific times. If done far enough in advance to notify ticketholders and get all the stadium and parking lot attendants in place an hour earlier, it would be silly - thunderstorm arrival in the Midwest is just not that predictable. If done at the point where the weather prediction is pretty solid (say, 3 hrs before gametime) it would be Chaos and unfair to people who have purchased a ticket based on a specific start and entry time. It's a front moving through and the Midwest is flat. In this case, it's probably the most predictable scenario for a weather forecaster. Not that I agree they should move it up. That's a silly question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 After all the juggling of games last year due to Covid, especially the Tennessee fiasco it was my belief the schedule makers can do whatever the heck they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: After all the juggling of games last year due to Covid, especially the Tennessee fiasco it was my belief the schedule makers can do whatever the heck they want. They can but won't just because it's going to rain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAKCruiser Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 I don't put my stock in hourly forecasts, but looks like it's going to be fine by game time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 hours ago, What a Tuel said: Can we just move football to saturdays instead? This whole waiting for the weekend to be practically over to see the Bills play is rough. Yeah forget about that small minority of IDK 200 mil.who are college football fans. I’m exaggerating, more of the country are crazy college fans. listen, I love NFL on Saturdays in December when college ball is over before the bowl games. It will just never like never moving up a game because it might rain happen. FWIW, I get up prior to 5 am weekdays so I want it over too, but it’s not changing. Hopefully it’s not bad enough to delay the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 To me the right approach is to be prepared if the weather forecast is accurate. This puts a premium on getting a lead so that if the rain and wind kick up, it's not going to derail a comeback with passing. Not that this isn't obvious. Who wouldn't want to get a lead in the first place? The only way this could come into play is coaching decisions on whether to go for a fourth and short, or kick a field goal vs trying for a first down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: Yeah forget about that small minority of IDK 200 mil.who are college football fans. I’m exaggerating, more of the country are crazy college fans. listen, I love NFL on Saturdays in December when college ball is over before the bowl games. It will just never like never moving up a game because it might rain happen. FWIW, I get up prior to 5 am weekdays so I want it over too, but it’s not changing. Hopefully it’s not bad enough to delay the game. Yeah they wont want to go up against that, I get it. Just mostly joking and venting about the pains of wishing the weekend would move faster so I can watch the Bills play just to be smack in the face of returning to work relatively shortly after. Hopefully the weather wont be too bad in KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 it's just going to rain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 55 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: Yeah they wont want to go up against that, I get it. Just mostly joking and venting about the pains of wishing the weekend would move faster so I can watch the Bills play just to be smack in the face of returning to work relatively shortly after. Hopefully the weather wont be too bad in KC. Tuel, I get it as I live in college football territory in FL as the NFL is definitely second to UM, UF, FSU, and so on, but I’m a fanatic NFL guy. I look at it this way. Friday and Saturday I have fun with the family and I’m single again so dating, and after the gym and church, don’t bother me as it’s NFL time until I go to bed on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 There will be no precipitation in my living room. I'm good. I checked weather.com, and I'm not seeing thunderstorms in their forecast, just steady rain from 7 PM on. While Mahomes has gotten the better of Josh Allen in bad weather games, Josh has had more recent experience with rainy weather, including last Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 I am an AccuWeather guy and it says only 51 percent chance and nothing until 10pm and nothing after midnight. If it were during day...id golf with that forecast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 12 hours ago, Ya Digg? said: The NFL would never move the game forward for a very simple reason….TV. NBC would never go for that and the NFL wouldn’t move a game up that starts in prime time Yeah. I need to hear Mike Florio's take before the game so the weather is secondary to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Weather forecasters can't even predict the weather correctly while its happening outside their window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 8 hours ago, LeGOATski said: It's a front moving through and the Midwest is flat. In this case, it's probably the most predictable scenario for a weather forecaster. Not that I agree they should move it up. That's a silly question. Where do you live? Are you a weather forecaster? The Big Picture isn't hard to predict but lets just say the details (where exactly the band of precip will come through, and when) are no more exact in the midwest than elsewhere. Maybe less so, since there isn't so much geography funneling the weather. It can easily shift a few hundred miles one way or the other. Over in the Weather thread, a guy posted a video of a KC forecaster going through the forecast in pretty good detail. Basically the "middle case" forecast calls for rain hitting KC, but as he points out it could easily shift E or W and either hit the KC area more lightly, or bombard it. Believe me or don't. I've lived here for 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Where do you live? Are you a weather forecaster? The Big Picture isn't hard to predict but lets just say the details (where exactly the band of precip will come through, and when) are no more exact in the midwest than elsewhere. Maybe less so, since there isn't so much geography funneling the weather. Believe me or don't. I've lived here for 30 years. I was a weather forecaster in the AF. Don't do it professionally anymore, so it's more of a hobby. FYI, the airport TAFs are spot forecasts and get the timing down to the hour. By contrast, your local meteorologist needs to do an area forecast which requires more generality. So if you go to the NWS site and look up the KC airport forecast, for example, it's a bit more helpful in my experience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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