Dion Dawkins “not close to where he needs to be to help us”

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Imagine we’ll open the season with lots of sprint right roll out, with jet motion the other way.

 

This not only limits the need to have stellar pass pro at LT, but also provides no need to block left DE on sweeps/ touch pass. 
 

Daboll will have it all schemed out 

Edited August 15, 2021 by EmotionallyUnstable

[Reader]

14 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

Covid can be a long haul recovery. Hopful this is not the case for the Shnowman. Worried that it might.

 

This worries me too. In a game of milliseconds I don't want our LT to have even something like brain fog (long haul symptom) for the next month or two.

[MJS]

8 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

He's not a rookie, but being sick like that and having to get ready for the season at the same time...I'm sure that's a new situation for him. Thankfully, the Bills have a great medical/conditioning staff.

We don't know how sick he was or wasn't. It's all conjecture to this point. Having symptoms could mean a lot of different things.

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

We don't know how sick he was or wasn't. It's all conjecture to this point. Having symptoms could mean a lot of different things.

The fact that he's "not even close" to being ready and has already been recovering for a week+ is a pretty big giveaway...

[MJS]

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

The fact that he's "not even close" to being ready and has already been recovering for a week+ is a pretty big giveaway...

It strikes me as coach speak, honestly. He is trying to motivate him and others. That's my opinion.

 

If Dawkins was really struggling with his health, I don't see McDermott putting that out there to the media. I don't think he would do that. I think Dawkins is ready to get at it and has some work ahead of him to get into game shape. If he was still struggling with COVID I don't know if he would have been activated.

[Mat68]

Ease him back in.  I dont play Allen in pre season at all.

[Sundancer]

19 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

The fact that he's "not even close" to being ready and has already been recovering for a week+ is a pretty big giveaway...

 

If he had lingering Covid stuff, McD would not have called him out.. 

 

If he came in fat and out of shape, McD calls him out. 

 

It's the later. Guaranteed. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

Was it ever confirmed he had COVID, or just close contact?

 

Dion still has a few weeks to get back in football shape and start week 1.

 

If he's not taking 1st or 2nd team reps by end of next week, I'll be worried then

 

Pretty sure Beane said both Boettger and Dawkins tested positive, one symptomatic one not. 

 

Boettger returned to practice on the NFL's minimum timeline for an asymptomatic vaccinated player who tests negative 2x 24 hrs apart.

 

Dawkins took I think a couple days longer than the minimum for an unvaccinated player. 

 

Frankly, I thought Dawkins looked pretty bad at OTAs - overweight and under-conditioned.    Then it's pretty well documented that Covid with mild symptoms can cause athletes lasting pulmonary problems that take months to recover from.

 

We are in Deep Kim Chee without Dawkins.

 

[Punching Bag]

Ironic that Highmark Blue Cross Blue Shield of Western New York gets stadium naming rights with what is happening.

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Pretty sure Beane said both Boettger and Dawkins tested positive, one symptomatic one not. 

 

Boettger returned to practice on the NFL's minimum timeline for an asymptomatic vaccinated player who tests negative 2x 24 hrs apart.

 

Dawkins took I think a couple days longer than the minimum for an unvaccinated player. 

 

Frankly, I thought Dawkins looked pretty bad at OTAs - overweight and under-conditioned.    Then it's pretty well documented that Covid with mild symptoms can cause athletes lasting pulmonary problems that take months to recover from.

 

We are in Deep Kim Chee without Dawkins.

 

 

And while I like Korean I hate Kimchi.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

If he had lingering Covid stuff, McD would not have called him out.. 

 

If he came in fat and out of shape, McD calls him out. 

 

It's the later. Guaranteed. 

 

"Figure skating...Ice hockey...Why not have Both?" - remember those commercials?

 

It's a fact that McDermott called out Dawson Knox for coming back from Covid fat and underconditioned - gently, but called him out. 

 

Since now there is a vaccine, if Dawkins chose not to take it and was seen out in the community interacting with lots of people at his charity give-aways - if there are lingering problems I wouldn't bet a nickel against McDermott being Really Really Pissed.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, BadboyBills said:

He's probably experiencing long haul symptoms. This worrying.

 

Let's not go there.  That's a specific syndrome.  He's testing negative or he wouldn't be back.

[Beast]

As long as we have Bobby Hart things will be OK.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, BadboyBills said:

Can't rule out that he may have after affects, fatigue and shortness of breath. Maybe a pre-existing condition thats affecting his recovery? Most players are usually back by now.

 

That's not long-haul and not going to explain the diff. here,

 

But yes, he probably does have some lingering effects.   For example Myles Garrett said he had lasting pulmonary symptoms and needed to work with a pulmonologist and was still getting out of breath for months; Von Miller (who caught during off-season) said it took him a while to get his conditioning back and was rough for a while.  Dawson Knox said he was really winded the first week+ or so back.  Some top athletes (Olympic rowers) who had Covid said it dropped them back to the ergometer level of a talented HS student for about a month. 

 

Not all that many NFL players had Covid during the season.  The NFL did a really good job last year.  And of course if recovery takes a while during the off-season, we don't know.

 

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The wording makes me think Dawkins is overweight. 

Have you seen him?

[Matt_In_NH]

28 minutes ago, Beast said:

As long as we have Bobby Hart things will be OK.

probably better off with just playing 10 in that case......would not want anyone to "depend on" or "assume" that guy will do his job.

[HOUSE]

I don't like bad news on Sunday night. Should have waited till Monday

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I don't like bad news on Sunday night. Should have waited till Monday

Thought it would fit right in with the “Sunday Scaries”

All we need is the ticking sound from 60 minutes 

(Except on the west coast) 

Edited August 15, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, BadboyBills said:

Holy awesome reply Hapless!

 

Hope thats all that's all it is with Dawkins. This is my biggest fear for our season is that we lose a key player at the worst time. This is the time for this, but I don't want anyone to catch it. (Warning sign?) I think the NFL/NFLPA have done a great job to this point too but that was last year. We didn't have Delta last season so my concern level is a 7/10 atm. All I can say and wish for is our guys are vaxxed, b/c that could be a difference maker this year, more than last.

 

Go Bills!

 

 

Here's wishing Dawkins a speedy recovery

[LeGOATski]

59 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

If he had lingering Covid stuff, McD would not have called him out.. 

 

If he came in fat and out of shape, McD calls him out. 

 

It's the later. Guaranteed. 

Yeah he would. See Hapless' previous reply. 

 

That "gaurantee" didn't age well.

[Captain Caveman]

2 hours ago, Frat-Train said:

Maybe it was leaked that he favors ranch over blue cheese?.?.?.!?!  
 

If that’s the case, I agree with coach.  He’s nowhere near close to helping us…. Or anyone else for that matter.

It's like putting on the oxygen mask, you have to help yourself before you can help anyone else.

[SirAndrew]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

We don't know how sick he was or wasn't. It's all conjecture to this point. Having symptoms could mean a lot of different things.

This may be the only 100% factually accurate post on this topic apart from the OP. Too many assumptions and random health expertise. Let’s just hope he’s in game shape soon, that’s what matters from

a football prospective, and for the man himself.  

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's not long-haul and not going to explain the diff. here,

 

But yes, he probably does have some lingering effects.   For example Myles Garrett said he had lasting pulmonary symptoms and needed to work with a pulmonologist and was still getting out of breath for months; Von Miller (who caught during off-season) said it took him a while to get his conditioning back and was rough for a while.  Dawson Knox said he was really winded the first week+ or so back.  Some top athletes (Olympic rowers) who had Covid said it dropped them back to the ergometer level of a talented HS student for about a month. 

 

Not all that many NFL players had Covid during the season.  The NFL did a really good job last year.  And of course if recovery takes a while during the off-season, we don't know.

And none of that necessarily applies to Dawkins. Using three or four examples is far from statistically significant. They are just anecdotes. For every one of those there are others who had mild symptoms and were able to get back to football quickly. Or who were completely asymptomatic.

 

We don't know the situation with Dawkins. McDermott could have been speaking purely from a football and conditioning standpoint, not a health standpoint.

41 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Yeah he would. See Hapless' previous reply. 

 

That "gaurantee" didn't age well.

He cited examples of a few players who had a tough time coming back. How does that specifically relate to Dawkins? It's a possibility for sure, but nobody knows. Everyone is guessing.

[Victory Formation]

I would assume that Daryl Williams would take over on the left side, but I am not convinced yet that that will happen.

[eball]

I looked at the first couple of pages of this thread and all I can say is that @dpberr seems to have a vomiting problem.  Not sure what that’s all about.

[LeGOATski]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

And none of that necessarily applies to Dawkins. Using three or four examples is far from statistically significant. They are just anecdotes. For every one of those there are others who had mild symptoms and were able to get back to football quickly. Or who were completely asymptomatic.

 

We don't know the situation with Dawkins. McDermott could have been speaking purely from a football and conditioning standpoint, not a health standpoint.

He cited examples of a few players who had a tough time coming back. How does that specifically relate to Dawkins? It's a possibility for sure, but nobody knows. Everyone is guessing.

I'm not sure why you're acting like it's a mystery. His setbacks are due to covid. He was "battling" with it...

 

 

[Putin]

3 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

Was it ever confirmed he had COVID, or just close contact?

 

Dion still has a few weeks to get back in football shape and start week 1.

 

If he's not taking 1st or 2nd team reps by end of next week, I'll be worried then

I don’t know man but COVID-19 does take a lot out of you ,  in my case even a month after I was tested negative I was still weak and barely had any energy, but then again I’m almost twice his age , 

holding my fingers crossed 🤞 he’ll be 100% ready for week one 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, The Dean said:

I'm not all that worried about this. Missed time due to Covid and I'm thinking this is just a motivational shot across the bow of Dawkins.  Like MasterStrategist, I'll be more concerned in a couple weeks if he still isn't up to speed.

 

You should be. I know several people that have long COVID almost a year after "recovering". They are having trouble functioning doing desk jobs, can't imagine what would happen if they had to do athletic activities against others.

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He had Covid. He tested positive. Beane also told us one of the two (Dion or Ike) was unvacced. I wonder if it was Dion and he has had it worse than Ike and this is McDermott trying to send a message again. Might be reading too much into it but just a thought.

might just be he has a long way to go. When it’s bad, it’s bad. 

[ProcessAccepted]

 

3 hours ago, MJS said:

He's a professional. He knows what it takes to get ready. There's no reason to believe he will miss week 1. It's not like he's a rookie.

Can be, but often isn't. Kind of a roll of the dice, but most players last year got back within normal time frames. No reason yet to believe that he won't.

 Agreed it's a wait and see type of thing. Hate if he season took a hit kinda like Cam's did last year post Covid.

[MJS]

7 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

 Agreed it's a wait and see type of thing. Hate if he season took a hit kinda like Cam's did last year post Covid.

Cam sucks anyway. He can blame COVID if he wants, though. He usually has others to blame for his own failures. He still thinks he is a starting caliber QB. He just isn't.

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

I would assume that Daryl Williams would take over on the left side, but I am not convinced yet that that will happen.

While a solid player there, Williams is strictly a right tackle. He has almost 0 position flexibility.

[Big Blitz]

My thought was I detected McD was frustrated he wasn't vaxxed - that's the speculation right?  Since he missed 14 plus days.  I don't think he had a bad case he tested positive when he showed up right?  He was physically at camp August 9th. 

 

So my guess is that's what you heard.  Dawkins couldn't do anything around the team and Coach isn't happy.  If he was really sick and it impacted him a lot I don't think Coach would have been that blunt about it with the "Not close."

 

They want these guys vaxxed - and he stressed that again.  The "just a reminder" to me meant "in addition to your health risk, this is how much time you'll miss and what it can do to the team."   

 

Not worried at all.  He'll be playing week 1 after he gets up to speed in the next 3 plus weeks.  

Edited August 16, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Green Lightning]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Dont like this....I dont wont Spencer playing week 1.  I think he is going to be good but dont want to test that just yet.

Should have kept Nsekhe for depth. 

[Punching Bag]

30 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

While a solid player there, Williams is strictly a right tackle. He has almost 0 position flexibility.

 

In 2019 Williams signed a $7 million contract with the Panthers. He played in all 16 games, starting 12 games: four at left tackle, three at right guard, and five at left guard.  That seems like position flexibility to me.

[Simon]

10 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Should have kept Nsekhe for depth. 

 

He played in one preseason game and is already out with a knee injury.

I liked the guy but he's an injury waiting to happen.

[97bills]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

This is definitely a big concern. Some people deal with long term covid effects. If Dawkins is one of them he might not be fully conditioned for a while. I don't want Allen taking any preseason snaps at all, and until Dawkins is back I'll be nervous every snap he takes in the regular season.

I agree 💯 coach isn’t going to say he’s no we’re ready to help us if not true. If anything the way McDermott talks at press saying he’s no we’re ready worries me more. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

46 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

In 2019 Williams signed a $7 million contract with the Panthers. He played in all 16 games, starting 12 games: four at left tackle, three at right guard, and five at left guard.  That seems like position flexibility to me.

He was dreadful at all of those positions. 

[GoBills!]

41 minutes ago, 97bills said:

I agree 💯 coach isn’t going to say he’s no we’re ready to help us if not true. If anything the way McDermott talks at press saying he’s no we’re ready worries me more. 

He could of lost weight and still have shortness of breath, big dude like that muscle and mass are a must. Also if he lost stamina they could be concerned about being in game shape without getting hurt.

[97bills]

7 minutes ago, GoBills! said:

He could of lost weight and still have shortness of breath, big dude like that muscle and mass are a must. Also if he lost stamina they could be concerned about being in game shape without getting hurt.

I don’t doubt this one bit I’m just worried I guess. Ready for a great year and I know we need snow 💯 percent to do that. Im sure he will be ready keeping my fingers crossed anyway lol. 

[The Dean]

6 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

Covid can be a long haul recovery. Hopful this is not the case for the Shnowman. Worried that it might.

 

Yes, that's true. I really hope he doesn't have any long term effects, but it is obviously a possibility. I'm not letting my mind go down that road quite yet.