Any interest in C J Henderson?

[IgotBILLStopay]

CB2  is the one weak link in our defense relative to other positions. A talent like him doesn’t become available often. He can play man and zone. Apparently Urban Mayer and he cannot get along.

 

After the Diggs trade experience, I have become a lot more receptive to these opportunities. With our draft positions going forward, we are unlikely to get top 10 talent anyway.

 

And he will still be on a cost controlled rookie contract for three more years with even the signing bonus paid off.

 

[BeastMode54]

cost would be too much

[TailgateChef]

Pre-draft scouting report:

https://www.si.com/college/florida/football/nfl-draft-gators-cj-henderson-scouting-report-2020

Wonder what it would take to get him....

[Malazan]

as stated in the thread for around the league news, he's a headcase. He's been missing practices and a scrimmage. He has a lot of mental problems that he's dealing with which is why he is 'available'. 

 

I know people think the Bills are magic now, but it's not likely he's going to instantly resolve that sort of depression by changing teams. 

[billsbackto81]

STOP IT ALREADY!!!!!

 

Levi is SOLID CB2!!

 

Where do people come up with this stuff? 

[IgotBILLStopay]

6 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

STOP IT ALREADY!!!!!

 

Levi is SOLID CB2!!

 

Where do people come up with this stuff? 

He is not bad I agree. In fact, he might probably be our best value for money player right now.

 

But he does have his limitations. He does not have blazing speed - so guys like Tyreek Hill can take him if they get him on an island. Henderson’s calling card is speed. Having a CB rotation of Levi, Henderson and Tre will put us over the top.

15 minutes ago, BeastMode54 said:

cost would be too much

what is too much? I would be OK with a second which becomes a conditional first. And we do have surplus DEs to trade one to the Jags.

[Doc]

If they're looking to trade him after a year, it means he sucks.

[FireChans]

21 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

STOP IT ALREADY!!!!!

 

Levi is SOLID CB2!!

 

Where do people come up with this stuff? 

There’s nothing else to talk about.

[Big Turk]

No.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Top 10 pick from a year ago and the team is looking to trade and move on. That's a major major red flag

[IgotBILLStopay]

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

If they're looking to trade him after a year, it means he sucks.

Not entirely.

1. It is also a function of surplus at the position. They gave big dollars to Shaquille Griffin and drafted Campbell, whose calling card is also speed.
2. A new regime in a rebuilding situation wants draft picks. They are not wedded to the previous regime’s picks.

3. The head case thing is overblown. Henderson was in the COVID list - so has not been able to practice.
4. Urban Mayer has pissed a lot of Jag players with his college practice habits - whoever heard of publicly announcing head to head winners in an NFL training camp. Guys have begun to chafe under his practice habits already.

8 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Top 10 pick from a year ago and the team is looking to trade and move on. That's a major major red flag

 

[JoPoy88]

 

Missed half of last season. Didn’t play all that great the other half. If they will take a late round pick for him fine. Otherwise, what has he shown as a pro so far to warrant a high price?

[IgotBILLStopay]

11 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

 

Missed half of last season. Didn’t play all that great the other half. If they will take a late round pick for him fine. Otherwise, what has he shown as a pro so far to warrant a high price?

You only need to watch one game to know what he can do. Opening game of 2020 season - watch him go against Rivers and the Colts - the same Rivers who nearly carved us up in the playoffs. His fit for the 4-3 or 4-2-5 Bills defense is just too great. With the always solid Hyde / Poyer behind him, he can really gamble and make his share of game changing plays which is what we missed last year.
 

And Dane Jackson has not really met expectations in TC, has he?

Edited August 9, 2021 by IgotBILLStopay

[JoPoy88]

4 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

You only need to watch one game to know what he can do. Opening game of 2020 season - watch him go against Rivers and the Colts - the same Rivers who nearly carved us up in the playoffs. His fit for the 4-3 or 4-2-5 Bills defense is just too great. 
 

And Dane Jackson has not really met expectations in TC, has he?

Well no I would not need to watch just one game. Need a larger sample size than that. And if he really is that lights out as you claim after seeing him in a couple of games, the question remains why are the Jags eager to ship him away? Maybe it is just a factor of the regime change in Jax, maybe not.

 

As for Jackson, I really don’t have any high expectations of him as a very late draft pick. And even if I did, well, see above on sample size. He hasn’t played nearly enough for me to make a judgment about his meeting any expectations.

 

but your grand football mind seems capable of making snap judgments on players whilst watching from your couch, so you tell us.

[John from Riverside]

The question is why do they wanna get rid of a high Pedegree player one year into his rookie contract that sounds like a flag to me

[JoPoy88]

 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

If a player is available a year after being drafted in the top 10, then something is very wrong. Josh Rosen is the only other player I remember this happening to and now he's on his 4th team in as many years. If Henderson has a terrible attitude, then it's not worth hurting our locker room for a guy who didn't even look good as a rookie.

[Rc2catch]

You don’t trade high picks unless you know what you’re getting back. 
It’s not like they’re gonna unload him for a 6th rounder or something. 
It’s likely they’ll be looking for players cut later on who they feel will accept coaching and get better. 
If CB2 is a big need during the season then expect buffalo possibly to be active around the trade deadline. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said:

STOP IT ALREADY!!!!!

 

Levi is SOLID CB2!!

 

Where do people come up with this stuff? 

He’s a solid #2 for teams that aren’t playing the chiefs. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said:

as stated in the thread for around the league news, he's a headcase. He's been missing practices and a scrimmage. He has a lot of mental problems that he's dealing with which is why he is 'available'. 

 

I know people think the Bills are magic now, but it's not likely he's going to instantly resolve that sort of depression by changing teams. 

Interesting.  I hadn’t heard that.  Without knowing that, I would’ve loved to throw a 2nd rd pick for him.  If you know this info, one would think that most gms would as well?  Idk. Could push his value down.  But would we even want a talented malcontent?   Probably not.  

[TheBrownBear]

Sounds like a bad apple.  Will likely be cut and one of the franchises that are known for taking flyers on guys like this will ***** him up.

[Malazan]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Interesting.  I hadn’t heard that.  Without knowing that, I would’ve loved to throw a 2nd rd pick for him.  If you know this info, one would think that most gms would as well?  Idk. Could push his value down.  But would we even want a talented malcontent?   Probably not.  

 

I do hope GMs are able to get information that 30 seconds reading the tweets from reporters would get you

[BillsShredder83]

3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

I do hope GMs are able to get information that 30 seconds reading the tweets from reporters would get you

We've had a few gms that might have been in that spot 😆

[billsfan89]

Wouldn't call CB2 a "weak link" on the defense. Certainly a place that could use an upgrade but not some sort of massive liability either. I think we underrate Levi on this board. He is a solid corner. But I wouldn't mind throwing a conditional third round pick at Henderson. A three year 7.4 million dollar deal for a CB who flashed good play inconsistently in his rookie year is a deal I would take on. I wouldn't give up a 2nd or 1st for him. The most I would do is a third that could escalate to a second if certain criteria is met.

[Dkollidas]

I think the Bills are where they are because they’ve avoided players like this.

 

I hope he gets right and turns into a solid player for a long time, but I don’t think that’ll happen here. 

 

This would’ve been a prime Whaley deal. 

[machine gun kelly]

It’s my understanding from the local news outlets down here in FL, is he has issues and that is why he’s potentially available.  I’m very sympathetic with persons having mental health issues, but don’t think we need to add that to our team when we have a perfectly capable CB2 in Wallace.  Again, it’s not Madden.  You’re. Not going to have superstars at every position, but you want an overall healthy team.  Wallace is fine for that role.  We also have a top 5 CB1, and one of the best Safety tandems in the league.  We were 13-3 against a couple of tough divisions last year.   People want to point to T Hill, but they never mention how we kept the Seahawks WR’s in check which is difficult since they are two of the toughest in the league.

[Freddie's Dead]

No more CJs.  One was enough.

[GunnerBill]

He was never a first round talent in my eyes. Go back to my pre-draft threads from last year I was not high on him. 

 

If he is available for a mid round pick maybe I'd take a look but at a day 1 or 2 pick price? No thanks.

[HOUSE]

Another fine job by the Jaguars

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Wasn't he one of Roscoe's deputies on 'The Dukes of Hazzard'?

Edited August 9, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013
Two zeds in Hazzard.

[HOUSE]

Ah, No

[machine gun kelly]

57 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Wasn't he one of Roscoe's deputies on 'The Dukes of Hazzard'?

was it this guy?

 

 

ya dipstick

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

32 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

was it this guy?

 

 

ya dipstick

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[4merper4mer]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

He was never a first round talent in my eyes. Go back to my pre-draft threads from last year I was not high on him. 

 

If he is available for a mid round pick maybe I'd take a look but at a day 1 or 2 pick price? No thanks.

Marine said he was great with the pick therefore I don’t want him on the Bills.  Pretty simple concept that usually works.

[Don Otreply]

The arm chair GMs will have a ton of fun with this topic, would it be nice to have him? Maybe, is it likely to happen? No, I’ll be back later today to check in on how Beane is blowing it by not signing this guy, 😁👍

Edited August 9, 2021 by Don Otreply

[First Round Bust]

right now I see our next number 1 pick being a CB - likely a pick in the late first -so if you want to trade that for a guy who checks ALL their boxes - maybe ?

but Jax likely wants more - but if so - why is he avail ?

[SoCal Deek]

I’ll be the contrarian here. You never know if it’s the kid or the team. Now I’m not saying I know anything about this particular player but if it’s this early in his career it may just be that Jacksonville is a train wreck in the locker room, front office, etc…and the kid just needs a change of scenery with the proper mentoring.

[LyndonvilleBill]

Well, others are thinking along these lines as well. I don't know enough about CJ to lean either way.🤔

 

https://buffalowdown.com/2021/08/08/buffalo-bills-trading-c-j-henderson-worth-gamble/amp/

[SCBills]

Mentioned this to my buddy in the office who is a massive Gator fan, and he said CJ never had any issues at Florida, so maybe it's a Jax thing....  I'd love him depending on where his heads at and what they're asking for. 

[Orlando Tim]

If it is a mental illness situation then it is not a quick fix. He would have to be invested in by the team to help him. If he simply wants out of Jax then maybe we can do something with him.