Mac Jones vs Zach Wilson

[Don Otreply]

Being that the majority of new NFL QBs don’t amount to much / are moved on from, the odds, frankly, are not in eithers favor. 

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

The exact same thing was said about Josh Allen. Just saying lol

Yep, sure was.  He might be just as good. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

5 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I don't like Jones or Wilson. I am a Fields/Lance guy. I would have been very upset if the Pats wound up with Fields. I think Jones will probably have the better career when compared to Wilson, but he's going to have to be surrounded by a ton of talent to succeed. IMO he isn't better than Cam, and he likely never will be. To me, Jones is Matt Cassell/Andy Dalton level starter. I think he can definitely be successful, but he doesn't scare me. Maybe a Sam Bradford type ceiling. 

 

Wilson is not better than Darnold. I think he will get crushed and overwhelmed early in New York. I think it is a bad spot for that kid. Again, he doesn't scare me, but he could also wind up being a dynamic game breaking player. If they throw him in there right away, I think he gets ruined, quick. 

Fields is going to die in Chicago 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Dont know if they will bust but im not worried about them either

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Is this a joke? Stidham played last year and was garbage any time he was in.

 

Are we really giving participation trophies to 2nd and 3rd round picks?

 

Nobody on that list is an above average quarterback. Period. 
 

San Francisco drafted a QB at #3 because the current guy isn’t good enough and he’s the best out of all of Belichick’s failures.

 

How are you arguing any of this??

 

You said Bill Bellichick can't draft or develop Quarterbacks and I'm telling you that's BS. He drafted Brady, Garapollo, and a couple of decent back ups who went on to have 10+ year careers. And obviously they aren't all going to be great bc they're all late round picks, but for the round he drafted them in, most of them have churned out pretty decent careers.

 

I don't care if u agree w/ me. A good back up QB for a late rounder is a good pick in my book. Bellichick had Brady so he had no need to draft anybody high up. If you can take a flyer on somebody like Matt Cassel (in the late 7th) and flip him into a late 1st to Kansas City then you're doing pretty well.

[CSBill]

Mack Jones = AJ Macarron 2.0

Edited May 1, 2021 by CSBill

[Nihilarian]

When you look back at the Patriots drafting of QBs over the last 25 years the only guy they really hit a home run with was Brady...a 6th round miracle that nobody saw coming. 

 

Now granted, they haven't needed to draft a QB and yet they still did at times. Like someone else mentioned, Jimmy G is the best they drafted and he will be replaced by Trey Lance in SF.

 

The one thing we can all understand is that the Patriots will build such a good supporting cast around a QB... that a guy like Matt Cassel who was never a starter in College still managed to take NE to 10-5 when Brady went down for the season.  

 

The NE defense will be top 10 to 5. The offense will be stacked with talent enough to win ten games most seasons. 

 

Hence why the Bills are drafting for defense in 2021. 

 

Both QB's could easily bust and the Jets haven't found a good QB in forever! Not sold on Wilson until they build an offense around him, run game, O line, receivers. 

[Ghost_002!]

To add..most Franchises do not follow up with the second coming to their Franchise QB.

 

Saint didn't 

Pittsburgh doesn't have one

Colts had to tank to get luck which he became injured 

Denver didn't w Elway..and waited awhile to get Manning 

 

The fins didn't after Marino..there are a host of other teams. 

 

BB does deserve some criticism for drafting but you guys are not doing your homework 

 

Cause he drafts decent defensive players..he sucks on the offensive end of the ball but again most Franchises do not draft their second coming..

 

Who knows if Love can play after Rodgers leaves...

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

It's easy for Jones to look great when he's surrounded by the most talent in college.

 

Wilson I question based on college completion he faced.

 

Will see with both of them.  Odds are in their favor of being busts, at least one of them.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

I dont think mac Jones will be a world beater but all he has to do is manage the game and the pats will still be pretty scary.  Wilson has to carry the jets

[Green Lightning]

18 hours ago, HOUSE said:

 

Jesus was no good at football, everybody knows that

The way his his team is built there are  always too many men on the field.

14 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Fields is going to die in Chicago 

Why do you say that? He looks to have the makings of a solid pro career. 

[BillsFan4]

😂

[blueblooded]

18 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Rodgers was groomed in a good situation.  Zach wilson is getting thrown to the wolves on a team with holes all over the place that couldve hit home runs at a ton of other positions with the number 2 overall pick.  We did something similar with Josh I feel like but Josh works so hard on his game in the offseason and I just dont get that same vibe from Wilson.  Thats based on nothing though so maybe he'll prove me wrong lol

Huge BYU fan here. Also, big Bills fan here in WNY. One thing that many (even some BYU fans) don’t know is that Zach is an absolute football junkie. He eats, sleeps, and breathes football. He doesn’t have a ton of hobbies . . . he’s a home-body and you won’t find him hanging out with tons of friends. He will be studying the playbook, watching film, working on his footwork, and making throws and he won’t get tired of doing those things. 

 

The windfall of money won’t be an issue with him like it might be for some 20 year old kids. You won’t see him blowing through his money . . . he’s actually a low-maintenance kid but does have a ton of confidence.

 

Outside of football and dealing with the speed of the NFL, some things that might be a challenge for him could be the shock factor of the big market and the huge spotlight. He’s already having to deal with NY media talking about his mom and her physical appearance. He was even asked about it on KFAN in NY and his response showed that he was clearly bothered by it and didn’t want to deal with it. So, he will have to deal with a lot of different press that he’s not used to dealing with. 
 

Now, will he be a bust? Very well could be, but I guarantee you that you will never hear anyone in the Jets organization say Zach didn’t give 100% or that he came unprepared to practice. 
 

Go Bills!

[AmishRifle]

IRT comments that Alabama plays a cupcake schedule.  They played an SEC pure schedule this year due to COVID.  Amazing accomplishments during an unprecedented year of challenges.  
 

Mac Jones has the talent to succeed in the NFL.  I don’t think he’ll be a HOFer but I he’ll be serviceable.  The BYU kid doesn’t impress me.  I don’t think his body is ready for a full NFL season.  The Jets haven’t shown an ability to take care of or develop QBs.  17 regular season games this year.  Wilson won’t make it to the end.

[YoloinOhio]

I heard someone call Zach Wilson “Private School Drew Locke” today and now I can’t stop thinking about it

[TheBrownBear]

Neither guy scares me, but I'm sure our AFC East brethren thought the same thing about Josh when he was drafted.

 

But that's the great thing about having a top-5 QB who is only 24 years old.  It doesn't much matter what our divisional rivals do.  We are going to be in the playoffs annually for the next 10+ years, and the years where it really comes together, we'll be playing in conference championship games and Super Bowls.  Basically, as long as Josh stays healthy, we don't need to worry.  We just get to sit back, put our feet up, and enjoy the ride.

[foreboding]

22 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I don't like Jones or Wilson. I am a Fields/Lance guy. I would have been very upset if the Pats wound up with Fields. I think Jones will probably have the better career when compared to Wilson, but he's going to have to be surrounded by a ton of talent to succeed. IMO he isn't better than Cam, and he likely never will be. To me, Jones is Matt Cassell/Andy Dalton level starter. I think he can definitely be successful, but he doesn't scare me. Maybe a Sam Bradford type...

I don’t disagree. However, Mac Jones has Matt Ryan's skillet, and is a qb not unlike the one who just left NE. His number's at 'bama are madden-like. Him with McDaniels worries me more, though I think Wilson has the more raw talent. 

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

😂

Oh I thought that was Zach Wilson having a conversation with Cam in the present.

[Victory Formation]

I’m strictly a Trevor Lawrence and Trey Lance guy. I’m kind of on the fence about Wilson, I mean, he could be good but I just don’t see it. He’s the one I’m most unsure about. I do not believe that Fields or Jones will be any good either. I also think that Lawrence will be good, but not a generational player. I think if the 49ers hang onto Jimmy Garoppolo for a few years until his contract runs out and they sit Lance on the bench and develop him, that would likely be quite a decent outcome for them long term.

[Real McClappy]

On 4/30/2021 at 2:15 PM, Warcodered said:

I'd be more worried about Zach Wilson in a few years after he hits puberty.

[947]

I think people will look back on the Zach Wilson pick like they look at like the Trubisky pick by the Bears 4 years earlier.

[mannc]

Wow, the level of disrespect/arrogance shown in this thread is pretty amazing.  From the dismissive tone of most of these posts, you'd think the Bills had just won their third Super Bowl in a row.  Yes, we have the best QB in the division and a very solid roster, but this team is not invincible.  Teams can get better (or worse) in a hurry in the NFL. 

 

Mac Jones and especially Zach Wilson are really good QB prospects.  I know the gap between the Jets and the Bills seems enormous right now, but it looks like they just had a second strong draft in a row, and they have a new coach and a GM who appears to know what he's doing.  Most of the negative comments about Zack Wilson (to the extent that they are based on anything at all) seem to relate to his physical appearance as opposed to anyone who's done any actual film study of the guy. 

 

And if the Pats can get even average quarterbacking from Jones/Newton they could be a problem this year.  They still have a good defense and they are still a pretty well-coached team.  Miami didn't suck last year and they undoubtedly got stronger.  I don't think Tua has what it takes to become a top NFL QB, but he can improve, and if he does, the Dolphins will be a very tough out.  Sure, the Bills are still the favorite in the division, but it's not certain to be a cake-walk.  

[DJB]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Wow, the level of disrespect/arrogance shown in this thread is pretty amazing.  From the dismissive tone of most of these posts, you'd think the Bills had just won their third Super Bowl in a row.  Yes, we have the best QB in the division and a very solid roster, but this team is not invincible.  Teams can get better (or worse) in a hurry in the NFL. 

 

Mac Jones and especially Zach Wilson are really good QB prospects.  I know the gap between the Jets and the Bills seems enormous right now, but it looks like they just had a second strong draft in a row, and they have a new coach and a GM who appears to know what he's doing.  Most of the negative comments about Zack Wilson (to the extent that they are based on anything at all) seem to relate to his physical appearance as opposed to anyone who's done any actual film study of the guy. 

 

And if the Pats can get even average quarterbacking from Jones/Newton they could be a problem this year.  They still have a good defense and they are still a pretty well-coached team.  Miami didn't suck last year and they undoubtedly got stronger.  I don't think Tua has what it takes to become a top NFL QB, but he can improve, and if he does, the Dolphins will be a very tough out.  Sure, the Bills are still the favorite in the division, but it's not certain to be a cake-walk.  

 

Sir hand in your Bills fan card. Only irrational takes are allowed. 

 

Please step this way and stop struggling. 

 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by DJB

[DCOrange]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

Wow, the level of disrespect/arrogance shown in this thread is pretty amazing.  From the dismissive tone of most of these posts, you'd think the Bills had just won their third Super Bowl in a row.  Yes, we have the best QB in the division and a very solid roster, but this team is not invincible.  Teams can get better (or worse) in a hurry in the NFL. 

 

Mac Jones and especially Zach Wilson are really good QB prospects.  I know the gap between the Jets and the Bills seems enormous right now, but it looks like they just had a second strong draft in a row, and they have a new coach and a GM who appears to know what he's doing.  Most of the negative comments about Zack Wilson (to the extent that they are based on anything at all) seem to relate to his physical appearance as opposed to anyone who's done any actual film study of the guy. 

 

And if the Pats can get even average quarterbacking from Jones/Newton they could be a problem this year.  They still have a good defense and they are still a pretty well-coached team.  Miami didn't suck last year and they undoubtedly got stronger.  I don't think Tua has what it takes to become a top NFL QB, but he can improve, and if he does, the Dolphins will be a very tough out.  Sure, the Bills are still the favorite in the division, but it's not certain to be a cake-walk.  

I am really curious to see New England now that they're getting a lot of guys back from Covid and added a lot of pieces in free agency as well. I think the offensive talent on their roster is still just flat out bad and they were bad last year too. I would expect the defense to return to being at least good if not great but I'm still skeptical they can put up enough points to really be that much of a problem.

[mannc]

5 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

I am really curious to see New England now that they're getting a lot of guys back from Covid and added a lot of pieces in free agency as well. I think the offensive talent on their roster is still just flat out bad and they were bad last year too. I would expect the defense to return to being at least good if not great but I'm still skeptical they can put up enough points to really be that much of a problem.

I agree that if Cam Newton is their QB and he plays anything like he did last year, they won't be a threat.  I do believe Mac Jones can be a significant upgrade, though.

Edited May 3, 2021 by mannc

[RussellDopeland]

Yeah, the Jones vs Wilson battles are gonna be....epic😒

[Malazan]

3 hours ago, mannc said:

second strong draft in a row

 

The 1st 2 picks didn't play half the season. Becton looked good when he did and Mims showed some promise, but the rest of their picks were not very good. Davis and Zuniga had trouble getting on the field on a 2-14 team. Perina may not make their roster this year and it's not a difficult roster to make at RB. Morgan will never see the field. Clark is still injured I think. Bryce Hall showed some flashes and end up being decent, but he was hardly impressive. 

 

So if drafting 1 player he's going to be a starter (if he doesn't get injured...again) is a strong 'draft' then I guess that statement is true. Otherwise, it seems a bit much. 

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

The 1st 2 picks didn't play half the season. Becton looked good when he did and Mims showed some promise, but the rest of their picks were not very good. Davis and Zuniga had trouble getting on the field on a 2-14 team. Perina may not make their roster this year and it's not a difficult roster to make at RB. Morgan will never see the field. Clark is still injured I think. Bryce Hall showed some flashes and end up being decent, but he was hardly impressive. 

 

So if drafting 1 player he's going to be a starter (if he doesn't get injured...again) is a strong 'draft' then I guess that statement is true. Otherwise, it seems a bit much. 

I think drafting a guy who looks like a dominant LT is by itself a successful draft.  And as you point out, Mims looked pretty good when he was out there.  I would expect Davis to start this year.

[Malazan]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

I think drafting a guy who looks like a dominant LT is by itself a successful draft.  And as you point out, Mims looked pretty good when he was out there.  I would expect Davis to start this year.

 

If you draft 1 starter a year then you're not going to be a very good team. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

7 hours ago, mannc said:

Wow, the level of disrespect/arrogance shown in this thread is pretty amazing.  From the dismissive tone of most of these posts, you'd think the Bills had just won their third Super Bowl in a row.  Yes, we have the best QB in the division and a very solid roster, but this team is not invincible.  Teams can get better (or worse) in a hurry in the NFL. 

 

Mac Jones and especially Zach Wilson are really good QB prospects.  I know the gap between the Jets and the Bills seems enormous right now, but it looks like they just had a second strong draft in a row, and they have a new coach and a GM who appears to know what he's doing.  Most of the negative comments about Zack Wilson (to the extent that they are based on anything at all) seem to relate to his physical appearance as opposed to anyone who's done any actual film study of the guy. 

 

And if the Pats can get even average quarterbacking from Jones/Newton they could be a problem this year.  They still have a good defense and they are still a pretty well-coached team.  Miami didn't suck last year and they undoubtedly got stronger.  I don't think Tua has what it takes to become a top NFL QB, but he can improve, and if he does, the Dolphins will be a very tough out.  Sure, the Bills are still the favorite in the division, but it's not certain to be a cake-walk.  

 

I've stated this also. Big turnarounds happen all the time with new QB and/or coaching staff. That's what makes the NFL so great. The parity of the league. How many times have we seen teams completely turn it around year after year? 

 

Maybe it's because of a bit of PTSD, but as long as BB is in New England I will never count them out. Mac Jones is a legit prospect as well as Zach Wilson and I feel like them odds of BOTH of them busting are slim.

 

I can remember the Dolphins going 1-15 in 2007 and then the following year they add a still accurate Chad Pennington w/ a fried arm then go 11-5 winning the division w/ pretty much the same roster as before.

 

There are endless examples after doing a quick Google search. It's very important that the Bills continue to draft well and keep pace w/ the rest of the divison. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

Am I just getting older, or does Wilson look like he's 12 years old? That guy is going to take hits from NFL DL?

[Ghost_002!]

19 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I am really curious to see New England now that they're getting a lot of guys back from Covid and added a lot of pieces in free agency as well. I think the offensive talent on their roster is still just flat out bad and they were bad last year too. I would expect the defense to return to being at least good if not great but I'm still skeptical they can put up enough points to really be that much of a problem.

 

 

How if they upgraded at TE and Wide out? Their offensive talent last year was dirt poor bad, just what they did alone in free agency was an improvement to their offense. 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

On 4/30/2021 at 2:14 PM, Gugny said:

If Bill Belichick has proven anything, it's that he's a phenomenal talent evaluator and drafter.

 

Mac Jones is going to be a superstar.

tee-rollin, trollin, trollin...keep that gugny trollin

 

[Maynard]

I’m not really worried about either of these two. I’d be much more worried if Lawrence, Lance, or Fields were in the east. I think Wilson is going to get easily rattled in the NFL. He’s also very slight in frame and would be surprised if that body type can take the hits at the NFL level. I think Jones might be okay with McDaniels, but he also has cement in his shoes and is not that physically gifted over all.

[Richard Noggin]

On 4/30/2021 at 3:31 PM, Bill from NYC said:

They played and defeated Auburn, LSU, Texas A&M, Florida, Notre Dame and Ohio State. 

 

Did LSD make a comeback?

Never left. 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Richard Noggin

[Jay_Fixit]

And neither are better than Sam Darnold.

[DCOrange]

43 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

How if they upgraded at TE and Wide out? Their offensive talent last year was dirt poor bad, just what they did alone in free agency was an improvement to their offense. 

It's an improvement for sure but it's still bad relative to most teams in the NFL. I'm not really convinced that they have the talent at the skill positions to prop up what I believe are two bad starting QBs at this point in time.

Edited May 4, 2021 by DCOrange

[mannc]

On 4/30/2021 at 11:44 AM, dorquemada said:

Mac Jones was the one guy i didnt want going to the Patriots.  Time will tell I guess but whatever he's lacking in athleticism he makes up for in accuracy and good decision making.  Sound like anyone we know?  He has some big shoes to fill but my hot take is that he'll probably be considered the #2 QB from this draft in 5 years

 

 

Agreed.  I think Jones is a slightly less athletic version of Joe Burrow.  

[SoTier]

I didn't vote because I wasn't comfortable with the choices.   I'm not worried about either QB much but I'm not willing to predict that both will bust.  From past drafts, I expect that 1 QB from the 5 who were drafted in the first round will turn out to be a franchise QB for most of his career.  I think that probably another 1 or 2 others will become competent NFL QBs for at least part of their careers.   It's likely 2 or 3 will be, at best, disappointments if not outright busts.

 

As Bills fans, I think we can see first hand that sometimes the QB who looks like the least likely to succeed can turn out to be the best of his draft class while the most highly touted QBs in a draft class can crash and burn even before the end of their rookie contracts.

 

[MJS]

On 4/30/2021 at 3:45 PM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Garoppolo = still in the league 7 years and running, led his team to the Super Bowl and has a career 36-12 record

 

Brissett = still in the league 5 years and running. One of the top back ups in the NFL and a good role player for the Colts 

 

Stidham sucked? He hasn't even played so how would you know? 

 

Hoyer= had an 11 year career in the NFL

 

Matt Cassel = had a 13 year in the NFL 

 

Tom Brady = Best QB of all time 

 

Mac Jones = to be determined

 

6/10 of QBs that BB drafted outplayed their draft status considering the rounds they were taken in and the majority played well past the average 3 year shelf of an average NFL player. I'd actually say he's pretty good at developing QBs, but that's just my opinion and please don't tell me I haven't done the research.

Stidham has played. And he has been terrible every time he has touched the field. So terrible, in fact, that they eventually chose to just stick with Cam Newton, who was the worst starting QB in the league last year and threw more interceptions than TD's.