2021 NFL Draft Round 1 talk - Official thread

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 minute ago, Playoffs? said:

I’m indifferent. I guess I gotta trust the process. However I’ve been somewhat underwhelmed by Oliver, Edmunds and AJ... so I’m really hoping I’m wrong about them or Rousseau is a stud. 
 

just wonder if we could’ve traded back a few spots and gotten him there..

 

but if he was their guy, he was their guy. 

i agree with Edmunds. The others I’m still I wait and see mode. 
 

but Rousseau is exactly what McDermott and beane like in a DE going back to Carolina. Heavy handed, power rusher with the length to cause some fumbles and stop the run. 

[biggerdaddynj]

8 minutes ago, beerme1 said:

 

I've heard Beane say yes the mentality is bpa. However, if bpa is close to the biggest need on the team he is willing to shift. He is a man of his word. 

Respect Brandon Beane.

I hope you’re right, I really do.  But when a dynamic top 15 player with no med or character issues falls to 30 and we can still pick up an edge rusher in the 2nd who we can coach up (JOK’s talent isn’t coachable) I think of the havoc Milano and JOK could cause (as Tremaine wanders around confused until they fix the scheme to use his uncoachable talents and maybe JOK would have caused the scheme fix).  
 

Now tomorrow we need to get a CB, DT, OL, WR and a shot in the dark TE (I’d say BPA but need is where we went last time so...).  And, I know Rousseau was a top edge rusher and we need one but this was a weak year and isn’t that based on one year’s production?  Many teams have been down that road before. 
 

Trust me I hope I’m wrong, I want Rousseau to be a stud and will root for him.  Long emotional day! Excuse me gents...

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

Just glad it wasn't JOK

[biggerdaddynj]

17 minutes ago, mjdotson said:

Awful selection.  Slow, stiff DE with no suddenness or explosion, so we take him ahead of one of the most explosive and athletic ILB’s in the draft and who is still on the board (JOK).  Complete *****-the-bed pick that screams “*****, everyone we wanted is gone, so let’s go full-Buffalo and draft another D-lineman.”  Very uninspiring. Arguably the worst Buffalo pick since McCargo.

James Hardy and Jeff Tuel.  But they weren’t first round picks when we’re one game away from the SB.  BPA.  BPA.  BPA. Can’t coach what JOK has and has shown on the field.

[CircleTheWagons99]

NFL and ESPN .com have the Jones pick on the first page of their sites....since NE made it....Why not the pick of the guy that was born in a refugee camp?????

[TtownBillsFan]

21 minutes ago, mjdotson said:

Awful selection.  Slow, stiff DE with no suddenness or explosion, so we take him ahead of one of the most explosive and athletic ILB’s in the draft and who is still on the board (JOK).  Complete *****-the-bed pick that screams “*****, everyone we wanted is gone, so let’s go full-Buffalo and draft another D-lineman.”  Very uninspiring. Arguably the worst Buffalo pick since McCargo.

LOL, I doubt it's McCargo, either way.  But love the fire'y-hot take you dished up!  I don't know why, but I giggle at people like you.

[TheBeaneBandit]

26 minutes ago, mjdotson said:

Awful selection.  Slow, stiff DE with no suddenness or explosion, so we take him ahead of one of the most explosive and athletic ILB’s in the draft and who is still on the board (JOK).  Complete *****-the-bed pick that screams “*****, everyone we wanted is gone, so let’s go full-Buffalo and draft another D-lineman.”  Very uninspiring. Arguably the worst Buffalo pick since McCargo.

You suck.

[Nelius]

I think Miami upgraded in general, but we countered tiny Tua with a giant edge presence. Almost seems like both Miami and Buffalo were laser focused on each other considering their Jaelen Phillips pick, which I do really like. I think that could be the most impactful pick against us so far, especially in the short term.

 

But Tua, man. How are you going to make that work? Miami's got to know this, right? Could they try to swing a QB in the next couple of days? He's 6 foot maybe and wasn't good last year, I'm more interested to see what Miami does than I've been in a decade at least.

[BillsfaninSB]

2 minutes ago, Nelius said:

I think Miami upgraded in general, but we countered tiny Tua with a giant edge presence. Almost seems like both Miami and Buffalo were laser focused on each other considering their Jaelen Phillips pick, which I do really like. I think that could be the most impactful pick against us so far, especially in the short term.

 

But Tua, man. How are you going to make that work? Miami's got to know this, right? Could they try to swing a QB in the next couple of days? He's 6 foot maybe and wasn't good last year, I'm more interested to see what Miami does than I've been in a decade at least.

I think Miami did great.  I mean it is hard to screw up on day 1 with those high picks.

 

At the end of the day Tua will make or break this team. 

[BADOLBILZ]

41 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

I've continually heard Rousseau compared to Calais Campbell as a prospect...Some believe he'll be best gaining weight and rushing from the inside exclusively on obvious passing downs. Beane just mentioned he would move inside in the Nickle D...But Beane also said he figured Rousseau would stay around 260-270...

 

This is definitely a trust the process pick...I doubt very much he would have been available at #30 had he played last year...Maybe it would have been 15-25 and not top 10 like some had him after 2019...But probably not 30...

 

 

 

I will say this...........as a Miami fan.........Jaelan Phillips was a POOR substitute for Greg Rousseau.    

 

Rousseau opting out was a dagger to the program.   

 

Rousseau had barely ever played DL in a game prior to the 2019 season and then did what he did while not being a starter until half way thru the season.

 

Phillips is the better athlete but he just didn't make NEARLY enough plays.   And I don't know how the narrative came out that Phillips was a player against the run..........but nope.  It was pass rush or fail for Phillips.   That's not the case with Rousseau. 

[Warcodered]

He looks giddy right as it starts.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, mjdotson said:

Awful selection.  Slow, stiff DE with no suddenness or explosion, so we take him ahead of one of the most explosive and athletic ILB’s in the draft and who is still on the board (JOK).  Complete *****-the-bed pick that screams “*****, everyone we wanted is gone, so let’s go full-Buffalo and draft another D-lineman.”  Very uninspiring. Arguably the worst Buffalo pick since McCargo.

 

 

As I've said before..........let me know when a 6'1" 216# "big nickel" with tiny hands does everything this mythical creature is purportedly capable of.

 

He won't actually cover a top TE in the NFL effectively........he sure as hell won't cover a slot WR like Cole Beasley.........so wtf is the point of taking a CB off the field for him and making yourself worse in coverage?       

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

50 minutes ago, Nelius said:

I think Miami upgraded in general, but we countered tiny Tua with a giant edge presence. Almost seems like both Miami and Buffalo were laser focused on each other considering their Jaelen Phillips pick, which I do really like. I think that could be the most impactful pick against us so far, especially in the short term.

 

But Tua, man. How are you going to make that work? Miami's got to know this, right? Could they try to swing a QB in the next couple of days? He's 6 foot maybe and wasn't good last year, I'm more interested to see what Miami does than I've been in a decade at least.

Rumors they are trying to trade for deshaun.
 

Hopefully they do then he gets in his head about all the rapes and loses his mojo 

[MJS]

37 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Rumors they are trying to trade for deshaun.
 

Hopefully they do then he gets in his head about all the rapes and loses his mojo 

Mojo won't matter if he is on the commissioner's exempt list.

[Mountain Man]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is a great OT draft. But Sewell is a special prospect. And that team has been so bad on the oline for so long. I can't be convinced on this. They will regret passing on him, as good as Chase will be. 

It's absolutely the opposite. You don't pass on WR1s, they are in massive short supply in the league. There are maybe 10,if that. There a lot more solid LTs about. 

2 hours ago, mjdotson said:

so we take him ahead of one of the most explosive and athletic ILB’s in the draft and who is still on the board (JOK).  

Yet curiously wasn't selected despite a significant number of teams late in round 1 having a need for him. 

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Rumors they are trying to trade for deshaun.
 

Hopefully they do then he gets in his head about all the rapes and loses his mojo 

 

If I was Miami, I'd offer a 3rd for Jimmy G. Sure he's not elite, but he can win with a great defense. 

[Sweats]

The whole AFC got a lot better after that first round.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

10 minutes ago, Sweats said:

The whole AFC got a lot better after that first round.

can you say that every year?

[TBBills]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

The whole AFC got a lot better after that first round.

Yes, yea, sure...

Two teams took bad QBs, they will be ruined for the future.

Edited April 30, 2021 by TBBills

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Mountain Man said:

It's absolutely the opposite. You don't pass on WR1s, they are in massive short supply in the league. There are maybe 10,if that. There a lot more solid LTs about. 

 

You keep talking about "solid" LTs. If Penei Sewell was just a "solid" LT prospect I might agree. But as a certain Portuguese soccer manager once said - he is not just one from the bottle, he is special. There are more WR1s in the league than there are elite left tackles.

[ExWNYer]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You keep talking about "solid" LTs. If Penei Sewell was just a "solid" LT prospect I might agree. But as a certain Portuguese soccer manager once said - he is not just one from the bottle, he is special. There are more WR1s in the league than there are elite left tackles.

 

I'm glad he fell to the Lions. If any fan base deserves some good karma after all of the suffering, it's that one.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Anyone else think 8pm is WAY too late to start the draft?

[ExWNYer]

Just now, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Anyone else think 8pm is WAY too late to start the draft?

 

They don't care about you or me. They want it in prime time to maximize the advertising dollars.

[Mountain Man]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

You keep talking about "solid" LTs. If Penei Sewell was just a "solid" LT prospect I might agree. But as a certain Portuguese soccer manager once said - he is not just one from the bottle, he is special. There are more WR1s in the league than there are elite left tackles.

But its easier to get by with a solid LT rather than elite one, than it is a WR2 instead of a WR1.

 

Exhibit A : The Buffalo Bills with Diggs.

 

If you downgraded Diggs but upgraded Dawkins it would make the Bills worse. 

7 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Anyone else think 8pm is WAY too late to start the draft?

Not really. It's 1am or 2am in Europe. It was getting light when the Bills picked. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Mountain Man said:

But its easier to get by with a solid LT rather than elite one, than it is a WR2 instead of a WR1.

 

Exhibit A : The Buffalo Bills with Diggs.

 

If you downgraded Diggs but upgraded Dawkins it would make the Bills worse. 

 

True, it would but the Bills are not a team whose #1 overall franchise Quarterbacks managed precisely 9 games before having his knee ligaments torn to shreds because they can't block. They haven't been able to block in forever. Stupid franchise, that made a stupid move and failed to fix its most fatal flaw. They will regret that pick, even though Chase will be really good. $25 dollars right now to anyone who wants to take it - Joe Burrow will miss at least 1 start in 2021 due to injury. 

[nucci]

16 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Anyone else think 8pm is WAY too late to start the draft?

at my age....yes

[Mountain Man]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

True, it would but the Bills are not a team whose #1 overall franchise Quarterbacks managed precisely 9 games before having his knee ligaments torn to shreds because they can't block. They haven't been able to block in forever. Stupid franchise, that made a stupid move and failed to fix its most fatal flaw. They will regret that pick, even though Chase will be really good. $25 dollars right now to anyone who wants to take it - Joe Burrow will miss at least 1 start in 2021 due to injury. 

We'll have to agree to disagree. For me, based on this draft, and what was available they made absolutely the best decision,and the way round 1 played out, with less OTs going than expected only reinforced that

2 hours ago, Sweats said:

The whole AFC got a lot better after that first round.

No they didn't. History has shown a decent percentage of the picks will be busts. And I think it would be a statistical astonishment if those confined only to the NFC

[PatsFanNH]

9 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Pats can have Jones. I don't think he's dynamic and has limited upside. He doesn't scare me one bit. 

Dynamic? Ran a 4.58 40 yard dash but isn’t considered Mobil, broke records for accuracy but it’s all his surrounding cast.

 

Meanwhile they say he is the first in and the last out for practice, his tapes show a QB with great pocket presence, and he throws it quickly and accurately. 
 

also IMO most QBs who are busy is because of the coaches who draft them sorta kinda stink!

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

Dynamic? Ran a 4.58 40 yard dash but isn’t considered Mobil, broke records for accuracy but it’s all his surrounding cast.

 

Meanwhile they say he is the first in and the last out for practice, his tapes show a QB with great pocket presence, and he throws it quickly and accurately. 
 

also IMO most QBs who are busy is because of the coaches who draft them sorta kinda stink!

Let me guess you had a write up for Fields also 😜

[Governor]

Why did the Jets trade up in front of the Pats? Were they just being idiots or did they actually think the Pats would trade down and someone would take that lineman? 

[4BillsintheBurgh]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Anyone else think 8pm is WAY too late to start the draft?

It would be fine if the NFL announced the pick when it was in instead of making sure they get the programming in from the prior pick. Seemed like it was an hour too long, full of production value.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

It would be fine if the NFL announced the pick when it was in instead of making sure they get the programming in from the prior pick. Seemed like it was an hour too long, full of production value.

Starts at 5:00 in California. I’m good! 😎

[JMF2006]

55 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Dynamic? Ran a 4.58 40 yard dash but isn’t considered Mobil, broke records for accuracy but it’s all his surrounding cast.

 

Meanwhile they say he is the first in and the last out for practice, his tapes show a QB with great pocket presence, and he throws it quickly and accurately. 
 

also IMO most QBs who are busy is because of the coaches who draft them sorta kinda stink!

 

Well he does have a Bradyesque physic

 

He better be  accurate because that arm isn't going to scare anyone in the NFL

10 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

It would be fine if the NFL announced the pick when it was in instead of making sure they get the programming in from the prior pick. Seemed like it was an hour too long, full of production value.

 

3 hours of primetime baby

 

Its all about those advertising dollars.

[Don Otreply]

28 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Well he does have a Bradyesque physic

 

He better be  accurate because that arm isn't going to scare anyone in the NFL

 

3 hours of primetime baby

 

Its all about those advertising dollars.

Sad, yet so very true, money, above everything else, is the NFLs god, it’s what they worship. 

[MrEpsYtown]

I really don't understand the big nickel obsession here with the Notre Dame guy. There is just no value in taking a player like that in the first round. If he is there in the 2nd, great. Whether or not you like Rousseau is one thing, but getting hung up on this big nickel idea doesn't make sense. They tried beating KC by trying to cover everyone and it didn't work. They tried beating Brady that way for years and did not work.  The only way to beat them is to get to the QB, and they need to try to do that rushing only 4 at times. That's what they are trying to do here.  

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Dynamic? Ran a 4.58 40 yard dash but isn’t considered Mobil, broke records for accuracy but it’s all his surrounding cast.

 

Meanwhile they say he is the first in and the last out for practice, his tapes show a QB with great pocket presence, and he throws it quickly and accurately. 
 

also IMO most QBs who are busy is because of the coaches who draft them sorta kinda stink!

Time will tell. The QB had two elite WRs, offense line men, and a RB all picked in the 1st round of the draft. Go ahead and minimize his supporting staff. I think you and I had a good chance to succeed in Alabama. I think he will be serviceable but nothing screams elite or franchise to me. I can't wait for the Bills to beat down the Pats this year. 

[DCOrange]

11 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I really don't understand the big nickel obsession here with the Notre Dame guy. There is just no value in taking a player like that in the first round. If he is there in the 2nd, great. Whether or not you like Rousseau is one thing, but getting hung up on this big nickel idea doesn't make sense. They tried beating KC by trying to cover everyone and it didn't work. They tried beating Brady that way for years and did not work.  The only way to beat them is to get to the QB, and they need to try to do that rushing only 4 at times. That's what they are trying to do here.  

I don't really view JOK as a big nickel; he's just a really good football player where ever you line him up and one of those places you could line him up is as the nickel. To me, he's the best LB in the draft.

 

Having said that, I'm not heartbroken we didn't take him, but I was hoping he or Elijah Moore would be the pick.

[Success]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Dynamic? Ran a 4.58 40 yard dash but isn’t considered Mobil, broke records for accuracy but it’s all his surrounding cast.

 

Meanwhile they say he is the first in and the last out for practice, his tapes show a QB with great pocket presence, and he throws it quickly and accurately. 
 

also IMO most QBs who are busy is because of the coaches who draft them sorta kinda stink!

 

Congrats on getting the 5th best QB in the draft.

 

Do you know why his tapes show great pocket presence?  He had the best line in football. No one got near him.  When a defender occasionally did, he threw off his back foot and his accuracy dropped by double digits.

 

I'm thrilled the Patriots got Jones instead of Fields or Garroppolo.  Absolutely thrilled.  They'll have to invest at least 2-3 years in him now, and the chances he's "the guy" to replace the GOAT are probably less than 10%.

 

[Draconator]

 

[DCOrange]

Some random thoughts on the first round:

• 49ers made the right call (at least between he and Mac) and I'm in the money so that's always nice
• Not really a fan of Miami taking Waddle but not surprising they went that way and I get it, just isn't what I would have done. Phillips was a potentially great pick though.
• Chicago could be scary good
• Almost always a fan of trading down, but I wouldn't have taken Parsons in the Cowboys' shoes
• Hopefully this won't bite me in the future but so happy to see Mac end up being New England's guy
• I love Kadarius Toney and love the trade down, but I think offensive weapons was the least of the Giants' issues
• The Jaguars have spent so many top picks on RBs recently and the best RB they've had is the undrafted guy from last year lol

Kinda nuts that Elijah Moore and Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah are still on the board to start Day 2, as is my #5 QB in the class (though that isn't surprising).

4 minutes ago, Draconator said:

 

Lmao that clip never gets old for me

Edited April 30, 2021 by DCOrange