Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: He said in an interview after he came back that he couldn't play in Denver due to his sickle cell trait. I remember this distinctly because it was the exact opposite of what his agent had said when he was a FA. To be fair to him it may have been a medical directive from the Bills and it may have had to do with the stage he was at in his injury recovery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I have a question have we seen Sanders details yet? Because in agent speak this is a 1 year $5.5 million deal. Is Sanders 1 year fully guaranteed? Sanders is 1/6 with $6.5M upside through incentives Brown is 1/3.75 with $5.5M in upside through incentives The smaller # for is flat out guaranteed... they larger number is possible based on performance. Edited March 17, 2021 by JGMcD2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdermott Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Huh? His salary with the Bills was 9.5 mil. He wasn’t a FA He can play there 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Huh? His salary with the Bills was 9.5 mil. He wasn’t a FA He can play there He couldn’t last year and I was told it had nothing to do with COVID, something to do with his sickle cell condition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: I hate Beane. Fire him now. This off-season has been horrible and just cements that him winning Executive of the Year was a big time fluke. This regime is no better than previous regimes... they’re just INCREDIBLY lucky. ^^^ Something along these lines will likely be said You're a Bad Man (tm). 🦨 🙄😅 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, Process said: What the **** These numbers tell me Smoke may not be 100% healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Sanders is 1/6 with $6.5M upside through incentives Brown is 1/3.75 with $5.5M in upside through incentives The smaller # for is flat out guaranteed... they larger number is possible based on performance. OK. I didn't see the Sanders details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: He's toast. Older, smallish speed guy that isn't physical. And not a great route runner. Brown is under-appreciated as a route runner. He can run beautiful routes. He did occasionally and for whatever reason take one off (I can think of a handful at key moments - Ravens last year, Browns last year, etc) 8 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Bills should have utilized McKenzie more in the playoffs. He couldn't have performed worse than Brown. By the AFCCG, he was back to his typical # snaps over the year 6 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Sanders is 1/6 with $6.5M upside through incentives Brown is 1/3.75 with $5.5M in upside through incentives The smaller # for is flat out guaranteed... they larger number is possible based on performance. I think you mean the smaller number is earned if he's on the roster and possibly guaranteed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, Process said: What the **** 33 catches 3 TD’s last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, SCBills said: He's an older speed guy coming off an injury plagued year... I don't think people should be shocked. I'd still rather have Sanders at his price tag. Love Brown, but he isn't what we need to beat a team like KC with their press man coverage. That's gotta be what they see in Sanders, right? He can beat the press coverage even if he's a bit banged up? I honestly wasn't thrilled to see that much money go to a 33 year old WR on the decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I know it was only 1 game, but Brown was terrible in the Colts playoff game. Dropped passes, no separation, and basically bullied by the Colts DB’s. And he played about the same against KC. I don’t know much about Sanders but he seems to have much better hands in traffic and gets open. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 31 minutes ago, Process said: What the **** Wow Shocking numbers! Why didn't we bring him back at that price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, StHustle said: Brown is an upgrade to Aghalor Sanders an upgrade to Brown Win win Hell no to the first line. Agholor was awesome last year while Brown did nothing 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 This was a bargain deal for Vegas. Brown has upside to be their #1 guy while Ruggs tries to raise his game. Smoke probably could of gotten more money but it’s a risk and possible he doesn’t get the same usage he’ll get for Vegas. Essentially he’s betting on himself to produce a good season for them and get more money next year. Let’s just be clear here, buffalo did not want him back. Not at any salary so the numbers don’t really matter compared to sanders. It was just time to part ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: I know Nucc. They can always go to a player and rework a contract. It just tells me they didn’t have the desire. At worst, they cut and resign lower. They didn’t have an interest. I thought before for cap reasons, but obviously not. Even if they did offer a pay cut I doubt he would take 1/2 of what he was going to earn. The other guys took haircuts of like 1-2 mill. His agent would have told him to hit the market regardless. I do think the WR FA market is saturated this year plus a strong WR draft and that hurt his value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 On that I agree Yo Man. It’s over so no reason to be concerned. Just like in life. Done is done. Moving on. BTW to all especially my Irish friends. Happy St. Patty’s Day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 56 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Well, hopefully whatever patchwork line the Raiders trot out this year will give his deeper route tree enough time to develop, otherwise, it will be a long/unfruitful season for Smoke. Wish him luck though. Also, Gruden loves him some ex-Bills! Agreed. My Brother in Law is a Raiders fan so we talk about our two teams often. He loves what the Bills are doing, specifically he is a big Josh Allen fan. I feel bad for him because when I look at the current Raiders roster, it really is a mess. I love that they signed Smoke, in his short time here he became on of my favorite Bills ever, but what they really needed was a bigger boundary wideout. Watching them reminds me so much of the old Bills teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 45 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Another guy drooling to play with Nate Petermen I thought it was being able to access the same barber as Mark Davis. * Also: "John, go play catch with Nate. Nobody else wants to." Edited March 17, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: This was a bargain deal for Vegas. Brown has upside to be their #1 guy while Ruggs tries to raise his game. Smoke probably could of gotten more money but it’s a risk and possible he doesn’t get the same usage he’ll get for Vegas. Essentially he’s betting on himself to produce a good season for them and get more money next year. Let’s just be clear here, buffalo did not want him back. Not at any salary so the numbers don’t really matter compared to sanders. It was just time to part ways. Maybe but 31 year old speed Receivers need to take as much guaranteed money as possible. I wouldn’t be betting that my value is gonna go up as a 32 year old speed Receiver, but maybe market will be better for wideouts next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Maybe but 31 year old speed Receivers need to take as much guaranteed money as possible. I wouldn’t be betting that my value is gonna go up as a 32 year old speed Receiver, but maybe market will be better for wideouts next year. 100% it will be better next year. If he gets 80 targets in Vegas opposed to say 45 in Green Bay he’ll have a much better chance at more money next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Good. Bills made the right move. He's a speed man that showed he's losing speed. He's a small guy that showed He's beat up and sanders is a more dependable guy at creating separation. Love John brown but this was the right move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Even at 34 Sanders is the better wideout right now. Smoke may be the more dangerous wideout, but Sanders is the more consistent. He has far better hands, and more importantly he is more available. The Bills were in a terrible position during the playoffs last year because of injury. Love Smoke, but Sanders is an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Clearly John Brown's release was about more than just money. His comments after getting cut last week suggested that Buffalo never asked him to take a paycut. And him settling for only $3.75 million guaranteed on the 3rd day of free agency pretty much confirms that. Personally I liked Brown, and don't really see a 33-year-old Emmanuel Sanders as much of an upgrade. Maybe there is more to his injury than fans know about. Maybe the team wants to move away from pure speed guys, and prefers to have more physical guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 The Brown of 2020 was less impactful than the 2019 Brown. Could be due to Diggs taking over as #1 but the offense in 2020 needed him less plus he was injured for several games. The O effectiveness did not drop in his absence but we do need a speedster. Imo, Sanders' being more available and lot of experience should help the O more than Brown would have. Guys, don't fixate on the delta dollars. We slightly over paid for Sanders but he provides more value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Good for the Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSH HUFF Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Brown was very overrated here and now the market proves it. He lost some of his speed and he isn't getting any younger. He doesn't separate well in man coverage. Isn't particularly QB friendly. Sanders is a lot better. Brown was awesome, should have kept him. I would rather have brown than Sanders, especially a 34 year old Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: Why didn’t Brown just take this offer with us. Ugghh, unless we didn’t offer at all. We don’t his health details, but if he would be healthy, he would’ve been a better option than Sanders. I don’t see this as an upgrade with Sanders. The truth will come out eventually. If we could’ve had him for $4 mil. There has to be something. McBeane put the fork in him. He was clearly done. Josh gotta be psyched with his replacement though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSH HUFF Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: He's toast. Older, smallish speed guy that isn't physical. And not a great route runner. Bills should have utilized McKenzie more in the playoffs. He couldn't have performed worse than Brown. Stupid comment. Brown proved he could run all routes. He was injured a bit last year, the year before he was toasting people and he burnt Gilmore who shut all the top WR down. 24 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Clearly John Brown's release was about more than just money. His comments after getting cut last week suggested that Buffalo never asked him to take a paycut. And him settling for only $3.75 million guaranteed on the 3rd day of free agency pretty much confirms that. Personally I liked Brown, and don't really see a 33-year-old Emmanuel Sanders as much of an upgrade. Maybe there is more to his injury than fans know about. Maybe the team wants to move away from pure speed guys, and prefers to have more physical guys. Well, I think the chiefs should cut hill, small and fast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, SCBills said: He's an older speed guy coming off an injury plagued year... I don't think people should be shocked. I'd still rather have Sanders at his price tag. Love Brown, but he isn't what we need to beat a team like KC with their press man coverage. I think it was a high ankle sprain too. Those tend to reoccur too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 minute ago, JOSH HUFF said: Stupid comment. Brown proved he could run all routes. He was injured a bit last year, the year before he was toasting people and he burnt Gilmore who shut all the top WR down. They weren't even sending him deep anymore. His yards before the catch dropped from 13.3 in 2018 to 8.5 last year. His avg depth of target dropped from 16.3 to 12.4. In the playoffs, he had a total of 2 catches vs Colts and KC. He had 8 vs Ravens for only 62 yards. He had become a checkdown WR for Josh by the end of the year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I loved JB15 and he was important to the offense when healthy. But he disappeared during all 4 playoff games the past two years. And that missed toe-tap against Houston was inexcusable for a veteran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Wish him the best...also hes on one of my Dynasty leagues...hope he and Carr can hook up. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, JOSH HUFF said: Stupid comment. Brown proved he could run all routes. He was injured a bit last year, the year before he was toasting people and he burnt Gilmore who shut all the top WR down. Well, I think the chiefs should cut hill, small and fast. He's always struggled with press man, and physical man coverage in general. He had a career year here and i wish him nothing but the best, but they saved some cap space by moving on and brought in a super bowl winning WR who from what i could tell still has it. I think if Brown was approached with taking a massive paycut to the scale he ended up getting - he would have outright refused anyway. Just now, Ramza86 said: Wish him the best...also hes on one of my Dynasty leagues...hope he and Carr can hook up. lol Gonna be tough... Waller, Ruggs, Renfrow, Jacobs. That Edwards kid as well. Oh and they dismantled the offensive line entirely. But the defense still stinks, so I'm sure they will pass a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: That's what I meant. Lol. Holy Smoke. The league must not have felt good about him? That injury obviously concerned teams. But those numbers seem really low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Just now, dneveu said: He's always struggled with press man, and physical man coverage in general. He had a career year here and i wish him nothing but the best, but they saved some cap space by moving on and brought in a super bowl winning WR who from what i could tell still has it. I think if Brown was approached with taking a massive paycut to the scale he ended up getting - he would have outright refused anyway. Gonna be tough... Waller, Ruggs, Renfrow, Jacobs. That Edwards kid as well. Oh and they dismantled the offensive line entirely. But the defense still stinks, so I'm sure they will pass a lot. Yeah im not hopeful....but a man can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I re-watched the Colts game last night. My gosh, Brown dropped a lot of passes. His hands weren't injured. He got open and just plain stunk up the joint. Best of luck to him in Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: The Bills cut him for performance reasons. Not money. No pay cut was offered to Brown was the report. That's why he was salty. Nah. No reason to think so. They cut him mostly for money reasons. Nearly nine million of them. Probably mixed in with concerns about injuries, as his injuries late in the year hurt us. "Multiple leg injuries." That didn't bode well. His salary was large enough that they were able to replace him with the healthier Sanders and still have a bunch left over. Edited March 17, 2021 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: Hell no to the first line. Agholor was awesome last year while Brown did nothing I really thought you knew football better than this...smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Could be that Brown just didn't fit the need for the role the Bills want the #2 WR to perform. If Brown is being honest that he was completely taken by surprise in being cut (Obviously he must read many posts on TBD) that says the Bills really had zero interest in bringing him back. I wasn't a case of Brown not agreeing to a big paycut. May have been once he was cut, he quickly found out his worth wasn't what he thought it was either. Likely when Brown signed with the Bills 2 years ago, the thought was he's our #1 WR in 20219 and in 2020 we'll likely draft a WR in round 1, but Brown will still be the #1 in 2020 and the 2021 role, TBD until the rookie is fully up to speed. Once they traded for Diggs, everything changed, both Browns role and the money being paid to him, though the Sanders signing if correct, does somewhat tell us money maybe wasn't the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Process said: What the **** I love Beane as much as the next guy, but what the hell just happened here?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, JOSH HUFF said: Well, I think the chiefs should cut hill, small and fast. Some teams value speed more than others. The Chiefs are certainly one of those teams. The Bills seem to value flexibility instead. They want guys who can lineup outside or in the slot, run a slant or a go route, and can block well in the run game. Brown obviously had the deep speed, and could run nice comeback/timing routes. But he wasn't physical and didn't offer as much in the middle of the field. I also question how much of an upgrade (if any) we get from Emmanuel Sanders. But maybe the Bills just see him as a better scheme fit for what they are trying to do? 8 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Nah. They cut him mostly for money reasons. Nearly nine million of them. Probably mixed in with concerns about injuries, as his injuries late in the year hurt us. "Multiple leg injuries." That didn't bode well. His salary was large enough that they were able to replace him with the healthier Sanders and still have a bunch left over. Not really. Between the contract they gave Emmanuel Sanders ($6.5) and the dead money leftover from Brown ($1.6), they maybe saved $1 million. If Brown was playing hardball for money and didn't want a paycut, he wouldn't have settled for such a small offer from the Raiders. The Bills clearly had no interest in bringing him back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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