MJS Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I'm fine with the approach. Resign your talent. Make some value signings in free agency. Build through the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Thanks Gunner for taking the time to explain it. This makes Sense now. Some times you have to go back read a second time, I am glad people like you understand me and take the time to explain it. Etienne seems to fit that picture huh? lol I mean my opinion is just another opinion, but I think if a bruiser was the answer then they drafted a pretty good bruiser in Moss and that didn't kick start things. I thought they needed speed last year and I still think they need speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: Forgot about that. You're absolutely right. That's our 1st pick in the draft. I wouldnt be mad if they went down that road but I still am hoping they get someone In FA who can be close to a certainty to have an impact Day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Just now, GunnerBill said: I mean my opinion is just another opinion, but I think if a bruiser was the answer then they drafted a pretty good bruiser in Moss and that didn't kick start things. I thought they needed speed last year and I still think they need speed. Moss is a solid force but not great. We saw Frank Gore for years, no matter how good or bad their line was bruise it for 3+ yards. there is a difference between a good solid bruiser and someone elite. But your dragging me to your side of thinking lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Just now, GunnerBill said: I mean my opinion is just another opinion, but I think if a bruiser was the answer then they drafted a pretty good bruiser in Moss and that didn't kick start things. I thought they needed speed last year and I still think they need speed. Cordarelle Patterson. He can lineup in the back field, return kicks and be a 5th WR for us....take McKenzie’s place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, MJS said: I'm fine with the approach. Resign your talent. Make some value signings in free agency. Build through the draft. Your talent got you to 13 wins and two playoff victories. Not hard to justify trying to keep as much of that team together and then add the 2-3 pieces you might need to compete at a higher level through the draft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchiseneedsme Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: With the cap likely jumping significantly next year with the new TV deals + fans back, Beane has a lot of restructure opportunities to free up more cap space. My dream remaining off-season and it is possible: Re-sign McKenzie and a bojorquez UFA signings on Covid deals CB: Richard Sherman TE: Hunter Henry DE: Yannick Ngakoue pick 30: Ettiene falls to us pick 62: if anything close to the above happens I don’t care maybe they could grab a Cooks and Clowney still. Not all this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I wouldnt be mad if they went down that road but I still am hoping they get someone In FA who can be close to a certainty to have an impact Day 1 It's need vs impact day one. We need an edge rusher but at #31, perhaps a guy like Travis Etienne would be our Alvin Kamara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: And pass rush for that matter..... The difference there is that Murphy leaving opens up a roster spot at EDGE. They can draft one at 30 or sign a free agent. Conversely, I don’t see any starting spots left on the o-line. Beane’s comments make it seem like they expect Ford to start, and Mongo’s contract likely means he’ll start, too. Whereas they still have a spot to add a dynamic pass rusher to the roster, the o-line appears set. Certainly the starting five can be written in pencil, if not etched in stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: I keep hearing how this is a very good offensive tackle draft and I think it would be a mistake if they don't use this draft to secure more long term depth and a possible longer term replacement for the older right side of the line. I agree with you, not necessarily about OT but that we need to draft/develop a C/G. Morse is a bit scary at C because of the concussion history. It would be nice to do what way back, the Bills did with Eric Wood where he played guard initially to learn the ropes then slid over to center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Allen had all day to throw at times so locking up our starting 5 on the line is definitely a good thing. Hopefully somehow and someway we will get more out of the running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I’ll give you that - this line was jumbled all year due to injuries. Feliciano missed first 7 or 8 games, Mitch Morse was injured, Ford played hurt then finally went out... Every teams OL is jumbled throughout the season. I thought our OL was one of the healthier units in the league last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Logic said: Conversely, I don’t see any starting spots left on the o-line. Beane’s comments make it seem like they expect Ford to start, and Mongo’s contract likely means he’ll start, too. It's worth remembering that the Bills re-signed Spain to a 3 year, $15M contract and pulled him out of the starting lineup for Ford then ultimately cut him with a bunch of guaranteed salary. They also benched Murphy much of the season. I "get it" fans and members of the media throw their arms up at this, but I don't think Beane and McDermott view guys as slotted in to the starting lineup based on their paycheck (or draft position). I think Beane views re-signing our own FA and FA as ideally, a place to ensure we go into the draft with a team that has few holes. Then he can draft more towards BPA and less towards need, and hopefully bring in guys who compete to make the team better. 1 minute ago, Logic said: Whereas they still have a spot to add a dynamic pass rusher to the roster, the o-line appears set. Certainly the starting five can be written in pencil, if not etched in stone. Maybe I'm just hopeful that they plan to re-sign Boettger (who could compete with the oft-injured Ford) and draft someone who could make them erase that pencil and rewrite it a bit. 🤷♂️ I agree with the folks who point out that it's hard to make things better by keeping them the same. Though it is a valid point that we never did have an OL of Dawkins-Ford-Morse-Feliciano-Williams on the field together. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Only problem with this is the chances of those draft picks having that much of an impact is slim.... the Bucs draft picks played huge roles in their success. Wirfs and Winfield were huge additions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think a line that doesn't hold its blocks long enough (which is what we have) needs a back who can hit them and accelerate through them before they close. Moss is a bruiser. In fact he is a good back after contact. He was one of the best in college and made some hard yards after contact last year. He still only averaged 4.3 ypa. They need speed. Peak Jamal Charles couldn't have hit the LOS fast enough to find a whole last year...........it often did not exist.........which in turn made the backs they had more tentative. It got frustrating at the end..........I remember cussing out Moss in the finale for being tentative on a play I thought should have been an 8-10 yarder that he only got 4 yards on. When Williams came in he just barreled into the hole and ripped off big yardage.......you saw a difference. Like Moss you can time Williams 40 (4.52) with a dun dial. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, Logic said: I agree that achieving a more effective running game is imperative. Luckily, McDermott and Beane seem to agree. What’s interesting is that they r already said they don’t blame Moss and Singletary for the struggles, and their re-signing the whole o-line indicates that they don’t necessarily think that they caused the problem, either. So...how do they plan to improve the running game? Changing up the run scheme? Adding a more complete tight end and a WR2 that can block well? Perhaps they think Ford’s return will be a big boost? I admit to being perplexed as to how they plan to address the running game at this point. It is a mystery wrapped in an enigma at this point. Unless, as aforementioned, they believe having Ford and Feliciano on the field at the same time is somehow key (I am uncertain). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 These re-signings say a lot about how the players view our team. The Bills are no longer a minor league club that develops players who go on to sign with competitive teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Problem there is cap space.... but hopeful he can make it work without releasing anyone. I think AJ is better than Murphy was.. Heck I think Addison is better than Murphy. I haven't really seen any big drop off in Hughes. I think Oliver is as good as Phillip's was and we had what, a top 5 defense with Hughes, Star, Phillip's and Murphy all with the same back 7? I think the real fix will be push from the middle. Hope Star comes back and is what he was otherwise I want a BIG nasty 1dt I can find or draft... Don't get me wrong, I'd love a top DE, but I think our issue is in the middle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 hours ago, wvbillsfan said: For a team that couldn’t run the ball I don’t see how bringing back our entire offensive line is a good thing. ...well about our 3rd round running backs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Nice signing. He can play all three interior OL positions and he adds a nasty streak to the group. He is like a body guard to Allen. Players want to be Buffalo Bills again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Solid signing. Good, not great player, but what I like the most about him is the flexibility he offers. Good guard, great backup center to have. The price tag is very good for a guy like that. Beane has done a nice job the last few days getting our guys back. But now the hard part..... Getting better. Still need a monster pass rusher, a number 2 CB, a real TE, and a true speed guy at WR (some speed at RB wouldn't hurt either). Honestly, there probably isn't a way to get all that done unless we absolutely crush the draft and find some diamonds in the later rounds, but who knows. Maybe if Jackson truly is the real deal at CB, that would certainly help. Still a lot of work to do to get better, but I don't think any of us can really complain about the work that's been done to keep our own over the last few days. Go Bills! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Maybe I'm just hopeful that they plan to re-sign Boettger (who could compete with the oft-injured Ford) and draft someone who could make them erase that pencil and rewrite it a bit. 🤷♂️ I agree with the folks who point out that it's hard to make things better by keeping them the same. Though it is a valid point that we never did have an OL of Dawkins-Ford-Morse-Feliciano-Williams on the field together. I wonder if they’re banking on the idea of a healthy Ford and healthy Mongo in the lineup as being a significant upgrade in and of itself. I also wonder if they figure another full, more traditional offseason as a unit will lead to internal improvement for the o-line. The good news is that our pass protection was good last year. At the very least, keeping in tact the unit that helped pave the way for the record setting offensive passing performance is a good thing. Now back to that “how do they fix the run game?” question... In any case, I hope they draft some youngsters at IOL that can compete with Ford and Mongo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 minute ago, maryland-bills-fan said: ...well about our 3rd round running backs.... ...that are slow, 1 trick ponies. Singletary tries to juke every player, Moss tries to run everyone over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: On one hand - super cool to bring all 3 back. On the other - Beane said at the year end press conference that "this is not a Super Bowl Championship team yet". Using pretty much all of the cap to keep things the same instead of making improvements - it's hard to picture us taking that next step in overcoming KC in the AFC. Especially picking 30th each Round. Do we have a game next week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 26 minutes ago, Franchiseneedsme said: maybe they could grab a Cooks and Clowney still. Not all this I would be happy with Clowney on a 1 year deal. That would give us the ability to draft a raw pass rusher like Paye or Rousseau or Ossai at #30 without forcing them into the starting lineup too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Da webster guy said: Two years ago Singletary had elite ypc 5plus yards on over 200 touches. He was tied with Derrick Henry. We have the skill to run the ball, we just didn't prioritize it last year. Vs the Chiefs Daboll only fed Singletary 6 times all game (Moss was out). It's part of the reason why we had so much trouble with the pass rush that day, Clark and the rest of the D line feasted knowing we were slinging the ball virtually every play. agreed. Continuity is so important and now we have it. These guys can run block— just need to give them a chance to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I think a little more balance on offense is what we’re all looking for. When a team sells out to stop your passing game like KC did, you gotta be able to take the 5-6 yard gains on the ground they were basically gift wrapping to us. I still think Moss will be a solid RB that can do what we need. Comes down to the amount of resources you wanna devote to it. Giving Gronk a 2 year $20m deal and drafting Etienne at pick 30 would certainly make our running game dynamic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 35 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I mean my opinion is just another opinion, but I think if a bruiser was the answer then they drafted a pretty good bruiser in Moss and that didn't kick start things. I thought they needed speed last year and I still think they need speed. Did you say Aaron Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just now, newcam2012 said: Did you say Aaron Jones? Just re-signed in Green Bay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Murphy was basically inactive the last half of the year. They need an upgrade in the rush because last year the lack of it was a big reason the defense got torched at times. The bar is a SB victory. The DLine as currently constructed ain't gunna get it done. They need a stud FA signing or a HR draft pick to make an immediate impact. Fair enough. I won't put anything past Beane at this point, but I think they'll do it in the draft. Not sure who the HR DE will be available when we draft. But do you have someone on your radar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 50 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: RFA this year. UFA next year. The thing is, and I said this elsewhere with regard to Boettger, because Wallace was an UFDA rookie, the RFA is relatively meaningless. The NFL finally announced its tender values last Friday. First-round tender: $4,766,000 Second-round tender: $3,384,000 Original-round tender: $2,183,000 Right of first refusal tender: $2,133,000 If we give him an original round tender or a right of first refusal tender, the lack of draft pick consequence will not necessarily deter other teams too much. If we give him a 2nd round tender - do we feel he's worth $3.4M/yr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: But, but, but.... the salary cap.... cap space... blah! Cap space exists to do one thing - allow you to have good players. I was 50/50 on keeping Feliciano but when you have the players you want the cap is an afterthought. And more importantly, a GM who knows how to manage the cap...And Beane has mastered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Just re-signed in Green Bay. Didn't hear the news. Thanks. I knew GB wouldn't let him walk. Maybe N. Harris from Alabama. Edited March 15, 2021 by newcam2012 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 25 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I agree with you, not necessarily about OT but that we need to draft/develop a C/G. Morse is a bit scary at C because of the concussion history. It would be nice to do what way back, the Bills did with Eric Wood where he played guard initially to learn the ropes then slid over to center. What I like about Mongo is that he can step in at center and they can plug in another player at guard. I like the idea of drafting a tackle that can kick inside. Mitch I don’t see as a longer term solution at center but this is a win now team. But going Oline in round 3 helps with depth and helps keep the team in contention long term 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The thing is, and I said this elsewhere with regard to Boettger, because Wallace was an UFDA rookie, the RFA is relatively meaningless. The NFL finally announced its tender values last Friday. First-round tender: $4,766,000 Second-round tender: $3,384,000 Original-round tender: $2,183,000 Right of first refusal tender: $2,133,000 If we give him an original round tender or a right of first refusal tender, the lack of draft pick consequence will not deter other teams too much. If we give him a 2nd round tender - do we feel he's worth $3.4M/yr? I think Wallace probably is worth $3.4m if you just ask it as a bald question. He is a starting NFL #2 corner in a zone scheme. I think he could start for 8-10 teams in the league if they use him correctly and about $3.4m feels about fair market value for that. Is he worth $3.4m on a 1 year tender when it all has to count on the 2021 cap and the Bills are tight on space? No I don't think so. I think the Bills will try to do an original tender with both Levi and Ike (a bit more cap tweaking allowing) and of someone beats that offer they will let them go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I think Wallace probably is worth $3.4m if you just ask it as a bald question. He is a starting NFL #2 corner in a zone scheme. I think he could start for 8-10 teams in the league if they use him correctly and about $3.4m feels about fair market value for that. Is he worth $3.4m on a 1 year tender when it all has to count on the 2021 cap and the Bills are tight on space? No I don't think so. I think the Bills will try to do an original tender with both Levi and Ike (a bit more cap tweaking allowing) and of someone beats that offer they will let them go. Need better at CB2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Just now, CaptnCoke11 said: Need better at CB2 I agree. I want to upgrade Wallace. But there are teams for whom Wallace can start. 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: And more importantly, a GM who knows how to manage the cap...And Beane has mastered it. He certainly seems to understand it better than his predecessors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Guess I'll say I'm slightly disappointed in this move. The bright side is it's not expensive. I was really hoping we'd try to get Creed Humphrey or Landon Dickerson in the draft and I just don't see that happening now. I thought either of those two would have been an actual benefit for us and on rookie deal. But There's always a chance they won't be there by the time we pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Bringing back the whole OLine that couldn’t run block doesn’t really get me super excited about the chances of beating the Chiefs. But there is still the draft. Maybe they grab a guy who beats out Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, delirious said: Guess I'll say I'm slightly disappointed in this move. The bright side is it's not expensive. I was really hoping we'd try to get Creed Humphrey or Landon Dickerson in the draft and I just don't see that happening now. I thought either of those two would have been an actual benefit for us and on rookie deal. But There's always a chance they won't be there by the time we pick. Why cant they still do this? They can move on from Morse at the end of this year and the pick can take over as C in 2022 after a year to learn the ropes and compete for a starting G spot in 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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