I have complete confidence that Beane will find a impact player with that 30th pick

[FeelingOnYouboty]

27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I doubt it. At least not with the 30th pick..... he played in two games this season returning from an ACL tear from 2019.... he’s probably a late 2nd or 3rd rounder. 

the only reason he’ll be available at 30 is because he hardly played at all this year. Guaranteed to go Top 50.

[Nextmanup]

Picking as low as we will, I would like to see us trading down a lot and acquiring more picks.

 

This is a good draft to do it in with us picking so late anyway in all the rounds.

 

To the OP: Of course we go for best player available, to a degree, but we better not take a RB with our first pick...or 2nd....

 

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

We 100% need to affect the quarterback rushing four.  We need pass rushers.

 

AND a press-man, physical CB

Edited January 29, 2021 by Dablitzkrieg

[Thurman#1]

18 hours ago, NewEra said:

I’m not kidding myself.  I don’t know.  I’m

not pretending to know.  I’ll leave that up to everyone else.  

 

 

Fine, you don't know.

 

Thing is, everyone else really does know. It didn't happen that way. Neither guy is the absolute snake in the grass that this move would require.

[Thurman#1]

18 hours ago, FireChans said:

DC’s don’t scout during the season, but they are privy to the entire process. 
 

Why are we pretending that A. Beane was running the draft illegally for a place he wasn’t hired at yet and B. There is zero chance that the former DC had no insider information?

the silliest argument ever.

 

 

Did McDermott maybe get some info, when he was still working at Carolina, about what they thought of some college guys? Sure.

 

But while you're right that he was privy to it, I'm privy to my wife's shopping list, and yet I find that life is too short and busy to worry about it. Same w/ McDermott and this situation. Could he have found stuff out while still in Carolina? Sure. Would he have spent anything more than the odd minute or two here and there in casual conversation? No. If there's one thing we know about McDermott, it's that he is absolutely buttoned down and ruthless about his time management, that that is an absolute foundation for him of his principles.

 

I mean, someone on here said something about how all signs point towards him drafting some of the guys the Bills drafted that year.

 

And that is flat-out nuts.

Edited January 29, 2021 by Thurman#1

[JohnNord]

On 1/27/2021 at 6:54 PM, John from Riverside said:

T. White was in that area of the draft.........Beane found him....he can do it again.

 

The key is to not get boxed in a specific position......ie. if Running Back is the best value.......go with running back......if linebacker is the best player available.....go there

Sounds like a possibility that he might trade down

[Thurman#1]

 

4 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

We 100% need to affect the quarterback rushing four.  We need pass rushers.

 

AND a press-man, physical CB

 

 

 

This makes total sense to me. Also wouldn't mind a big nickel or a TE or speed receiver who looks like a gadget guy now but might eventually become far more than that.

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Did McDermott maybe get some info, when he was still working at Carolina, about what they thought of some college guys? Sure.

 

But while you're right that he was privy to it, I'm privy to my wife's shopping list, and yet I find that life is too short and busy to worry about it. Same w/ McDermott and this situation. Could he have found stuff out while still in Carolina? Sure. Would he have spent anything more than the odd minute or two here and there in casual conversation? No. If there's one thing we know about McDermott, it's that he is absolutely buttoned down and ruthless about his time management, that that is an absolute foundation for him of his principles.

 

I mean, someone on here said something about how all signs point towards him drafting some of the guys the Bills drafted that year.

 

And that is flat-out nuts.

Yeah no.

 

Sean McDermott probably pays more attention to the process than you do your shopping list. He was a DC with HC aspirations and entirely detail oriented.

[JaCrispy]

I don’t have confidence...so far Beane has missed with his last two top draft choices...

[whorlnut]

5 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I don’t have confidence...so far Beane has missed with his last two top draft choices...

Well...I think Oliver is a little better than his numbers show. He was playing out of position a lot this year and missed Star taking on doubles. I’m not ready to write him off yet. 
 

Epenesa, though?  Wow. Hated the pick on draft night and hate it even worse now. This guy is not a speed rusher and it irritates me that they asked him to drop weight to try to become one. If they wanted a speed rusher why didn’t they just draft one or sign one?  

[SoCal Deek]

As I say every year, the draft all depends on the free agency that precedes it. But...Shame on Beane if he trots out the same RB duo or same DL rotation in 2021.

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Fine, you don't know.

 

Thing is, everyone else really does know. It didn't happen that way. Neither guy is the absolute snake in the grass that this move would require.

you think you know.  
 

carry on.

[BillsShredder83]

Where is Jarrett Patterson (ub rb) projected to go? Common sense tells me theyd have him scouted better than anyone.  Feels like a guy who could slide down boards simply for being in the MAAC. Not saying we definitely should but could be a sneaky pick if we go OL early or miss on the first tier of rbs @ pick 30

[maryland-bills-fan]

23 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Of course. And as a DC, he sure as hell wasn't scouting Temple OTs and East Carolina wide receivers. 

Moss is a lot better than you're giving him credit for. He looked good for the most part. And he's just a rookie anyway.

Moss was the 44th leading rusher in the nfl last year.   Look at all the rookies who had limited playing time and finished ahead of him.

[BillsShredder83]

On 1/28/2021 at 1:43 AM, BadboyBills said:

Read about this kid WR Kadarius Toney from Florida. Being compared to none other then that guy who burned our butts last Sunday. If he's still there at 30, I dont know how we dont as he's already turning heads at the senior bowl, definitely rising fast. Also, check the vid of him absolutely schooling a CB in practice the other day. Pretty awesome! I would be very happy with this pick.

 

www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/top-2021-nfl-draft-prospects-in-the-reeses-senior-bowl-najee-harris-kadarius-toney-highlight-the-list/amp/

 

"When reviewing scouting reports, the breakdown does not always match the grade. In the case of Toney, the grade may not be high enough. He is fast, agile and elusive. NFL teams can use him on jet sweeps, wide receiver screens and in a variety of other ways, similar to Tyreek Hill in Kansas City."

 

 

Would love this, but i already had a feeling he wouldnt make it to 30, and the Sr bowl seems like its going to gas his stock heavily. Guys going to be this years Henry Ruggs of the draft

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Moss was the 44th leading rusher in the nfl last year.   Look at all the rookies who had limited playing time and finished ahead of him.

I get the numbers; I’m referring to the eyeball test. He regularly breaks tackles and gets positive yardage, is clearly tough, and has good vision. He’s not a speedster, but he’s fast enough. As for his counting stats, he spent most of the season as the number 2, although by late in the season he seemed to be the primary back. 

[BillsShredder83]

23 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Of course. And as a DC, he sure as hell wasn't scouting Temple OTs and East Carolina wide receivers. 

Moss is a lot better than you're giving him credit for. He looked good for the most part. And he's just a rookie anyway.

No but youd think he was respected enough, as someone moving up the ranks, to be privileged to sit in on some meetings, or have seen the draft board in progress as they built it over the year

[Dkollidas]

I like Demetric Felton as a late day 2, or day 3 option. Has experience at receiver and running back. Adds speed and a dynamic skill set and was at a program that doesn’t seem to know how to use its talent.

 

Another is Hamsah Nasirildeen. I think they go after hun in the 2nd round. His stock will rise during pro-days and from senior bowl. Again, comes from a program that didn’t know how to utilize their talent 

[BillsShredder83]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

I get the numbers; I’m referring to the eyeball test. He regularly breaks tackles and gets positive yardage, is clearly tough, and has good vision. He’s not a speedster, but he’s fast enough. As for his counting stats, he spent most of the season as the number 2, although by late in the season he seemed to be the primary back. 

Moss is going to surprise people next year. Alot of missed reps in training camp and playing second fiddle to Devin Prius Singletary.  He started to really show something late in the year, where a rookie in a normal year probable wouldve seen that many reps by end of pre season.  Hes a physical specimen, his body is going to react so strongly to an NFL strength and conditioning offseason.

[dave mcbride]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Did McDermott maybe get some info, when he was still working at Carolina, about what they thought of some college guys? Sure.

 

But while you're right that he was privy to it, I'm privy to my wife's shopping list, and yet I find that life is too short and busy to worry about it. Same w/ McDermott and this situation. Could he have found stuff out while still in Carolina? Sure. Would he have spent anything more than the odd minute or two here and there in casual conversation? No. If there's one thing we know about McDermott, it's that he is absolutely buttoned down and ruthless about his time management, that that is an absolute foundation for him of his principles.

 

I mean, someone on here said something about how all signs point towards him drafting some of the guys the Bills drafted that year.

 

And that is flat-out nuts.

Beane was hired literally ten days after the draft, which means conversations were well underway beforehand and most likely well before the draft.

1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Moss is going to surprise people next year. Alot of missed reps in training camp and playing second fiddle to Devin Prius Singletary.  He started to really show something late in the year, where a rookie in a normal year probable wouldve seen that many reps by end of pre season.  Hes a physical specimen, his body is going to react so strongly to an NFL strength and conditioning offseason.

Agreed. He’s going to surprise the dime-a-dozen folks.

Edited January 29, 2021 by dave mcbride

[Rebel101]

On 1/27/2021 at 6:57 PM, DCbillsfan said:

Beane will find a playmaker with speed.  My guess is WR.

Yeah I think WR or CB. The WR Corp is deep this year but I believe we go speed as well. But I also think we under utilized McKenzie his entire career here. He would have been a complement to Diggs Brown N Beasley no knock on Davis at all but I believe we could have got more out of the Joystick then we did.

[Rebel101]

3 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Would love this, but i already had a feeling he wouldnt make it to 30, and the Sr bowl seems like its going to gas his stock heavily. Guys going to be this years Henry Ruggs of the draft

He might tho, there this is a deep WR group and they are predicting 4 QBs could go in the first which will help push some down. Waddle, chase, the kid from Purdue and a few others all have higher grades. But you never know what will happen. 

Edited January 29, 2021 by Rebel101

[Trogdor]

On 1/28/2021 at 10:20 AM, ScottLaw said:

I thought he played better as the season went on. He's a solid 2nd option out of the backfield.  That's not really my point though. 

 

Just dont think you burn a 3rd round pick on a guy who is easily replaceable and wasn't really the complimentary back this team need IMO. They needed a speed back to compliment motor. Moss and Motor are basically the same type of back. 

I would argue that Yeldon is a solid #2, Moss really hasn't shown that yet. He isn't the bruiser they marketed and lacks the speed to be a real evasive guy at the NFL level. 

On 1/28/2021 at 10:21 AM, JoshAllenReceipts said:

Alabama RG Deonte Brown

 

1) Resign Daryl Williams

2) Let Feliciano walk

3) Draft RG Deonte Brown

 

2021 Bills OL

 

LT Dion Dawkins

LG Ike Boettger / Cody Ford

C Mitch Morse

RG Deonte Brown

RT Daryl Williams

Cody Ford is really slow out of his stance and seems to lack power. I don't think he should be on the field, but definitely not at LG. 

[Figster]

Beane works his magic in the 1st jumping ahead of Pittsburg and drafting Najee Harris.

[transient]

On 1/27/2021 at 6:23 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Etienne and Spiller are both excellent and very similar. In fact, here is a picture of both of them together:

 

[Like A Mofo]

Hopefully at Pick 30 some team wants to move up (Maybe even fora QB) and the Bills can move down a little bit and pickup more picks

[BBills_88]

I would grab the nastiest Guards in the draft.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 1/28/2021 at 10:55 PM, Bob in STL said:

Agree.  
 

Definitely can find a Guard at 30 that could be a dominant player.  Maybe a strong talented gaurd, with Feliciano at Center, and a healthy, improved Ford at the other guard - maybe that and more commitment could break open the running game?  
 

If they are thinking BPA adding a corner is another possibility.   
 

Would love to strengthen the DL but the premium on DL, especially pass rushers, tells me better value might be at these other positions.   
 

RB can be addressed in later picks and in free agency.  I would love to see them add a back that could catch, and run after catch.   

 

Im not sure about Ford, so far he's a bust, maybe he can better but right now i want somebody else.

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Im not sure about Ford, so far he's a bust, maybe he can better but right now i want somebody else.

 

 

He will start on the line somewhere next year. There are moving parts their but Beane even states that Ford is one of their best 5 and will be in there somewhere. Boettger is a RFA and Williams is a FA. Is Williams is resigned I think Ford plays RG. If Williams is gone and they can’t find an adequate replacement, Ford goes back to RT. If Ike is gone too, I could see him at LG where he played well before getting hurt. Ford is a raw, unrefined player, but the upside is there. 

[Capco]

I'd like to see the Bills draft some oline help with that 30th pick.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

18 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

He will start on the line somewhere next year. There are moving parts their but Beane even states that Ford is one of their best 5 and will be in there somewhere. Boettger is a RFA and Williams is a FA. Is Williams is resigned I think Ford plays RG. If Williams is gone and they can’t find an adequate replacement, Ford goes back to RT. If Ike is gone too, I could see him at LG where he played well before getting hurt. Ford is a raw, unrefined player, but the upside is there. 

 

If i see Ford at RT i might puke.

 

 

[Eastport bills]

He should look for a edge rusher or a game changing LB. Running back is also a necessity, but a solid, not necessarily spectacular, but with speed, will suffice. 

[njbuff]

My early guess is that McBeane will do whatever it takes to get Etienne.

 

He is a faster version of Thurman.

 

And I think they will have to jump ahead of the Jets to get him.

 

Or they could shock us all and make a blockbuster trade for Elliott. The Bills have a history of making a big trade for a star RB.

[Aussie Joe]

4 minutes ago, njbuff said:

My early guess is that McBeane will do whatever it takes to get Etienne.

 

He is a faster version of Thurman.

 

And I think they will have to jump ahead of the Jets to get him.

 

Or they could shock us all and make a blockbuster trade for Elliott. The Bills have a history of making a big trade for a star RB.

 

Gee. they going to give up there 2nd as well to jump the Jets??

 

Nah... 

[Big Turk]

Need speed on offense. We need to compete with the Chiefs via offensive pieces not trying to stop them on D. That doesn't work. You aren't going to beat them by keeping them to 20 points. You are going to beat them by winning 38-35.

[Luka]

Najee Harris or trade down.

[Logic]

On 1/27/2021 at 5:40 PM, ScottLaw said:

A Guard with your first round pick? No thanks.

 

 

All-Pro guards Zack Martin and Quenton Nelson say hello.

 

 

[TheBeaneBandit]

13 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

All-Pro guards Zack Martin and Quenton Nelson say hello.

 

 

I hear ya, but this draft offers nothing remotely close to those 2 cats.

Just now, TheBeaneBandit said:

I hear ya, but this draft offers nothing remotely close to those 2 cats.

I'm thinking WR,RB, CB, or LB.....

[pennstate10]

On 1/27/2021 at 10:22 PM, FireChans said:

An amazing coincidence. Almost like our newly hired HC used to work there

and knew who they may have been targeting.

 

No Gm was dumb enough to be "targeting" Zay Jones.

The guy caught a zillion passes for a G5 school.  And played mostly slot.

he didnt have elite measurables.

 

Bills drafted him because one of his college coaches had just been hired as Bills WR coach, and he convinced Waley that Zay was the next coming of Jerry Rice.  Or maybe Jesus Christ.  I forget which.

 

It was obvious Bills needed a #1 WR at that pick.  I wanted them to draft Chris Godwin, who had the production, measurables, and terrific ball skills.

[JGMcD2]

Anyone advocating drafting a RB in RD1 is advocating throwing away a RD1 pick. Draft any other position. 

 

Fixing how we run the ball is far more important.