Hebert19 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'm the last for doon and gloom but this D is not good. We need upgrades everywhere. 1. Dline - D. Hughes has his moments. Ed needs a true NT next to him. Off season signings need to all be gone. 2. Cb - C. decent core...but not great. 3. Lbs - C. need some depth here or switch to a 3-4 where Edmunds would be better. 4. Safties C+ - said this early in the year but they are average. Hyde has lost a step and poyer is overblown by our fans. When neal comes in we make more plays. 5. Coaching - C. best thing that could happen is Frazier gets hired by Texas so we can get 2 3rds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Hebert19 said: I'm the last for doon and gloom but this D is not good. We need upgrades everywhere. 1. Dline - D. Hughes has his moments. Ed needs a true NT next to him. Off season signings need to all be gone. 2. Cb - C. decent core...but not great. 3. Lbs - C. need some depth here or switch to a 3-4 where Edmunds would be better. 4. Safties C+ - said this early in the year but they are average. Hyde has lost a step and poyer is overblown by our fans. When neal comes in we make more plays. 5. Coaching - C. best thing that could happen is Frazier gets hired by Texas so we can get 2 3rds. Would love to 5 to happen. Take that soft zone with you lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Totally disagree. I would raise your grades up by one in each category. ST should be an A as well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I build around White, Poyer, and Hyde. The rest I would let go. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, BuffaloBillsMagic1 said: Totally disagree. I would raise your grades up by one in each category. ST should be an A as well. Still average at best in each. Like I said I'm the most positive dude on here most times but this D is not good. 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: I build around White, Poyer, and Hyde. The rest I would let go. Hyde isn't good anymore. Sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Problem with our defense is that they’re stationary targets, they sit back and react. I think our defense needs to be more aggressive and attack. Take the fight to them. Outside of that tremendous hit by Poyer our defense played as targets when in all actuality, being aggressive and attacking is a much more powerful mindset for our players to be in. Very soft game plan defensively. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Give me a list of all time great defenses that primarily played zone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Need some major improvements on the Dline. Have to generate a pass rush with 4 rushers. It all starts there on defense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 The entire unit needs rebuilt. The Bills will never seriously contend for a championship with that defense. End of story. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 DE has to be our weakest position Cant be a good defense without a consistent edge rusher. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 The D’s game against the Ravens last week came as a pleasant surprise...I don’t want anyone to get carried away with that performance as it was a one off this season... Beane needs to build this D in 2021 if we want to beat the Chiefs... they had their way with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Watching the Chiefs destroy our line shows just how much we need a lineman who can get into the backfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Aussie Joe said: The D’s game against the Ravens last week came as a pleasant surprise...I don’t want anyone to get carried away with that performance as it was a one off this season... Beane needs to build this D in 2021 if we want to beat the Chiefs... they had their way with us It was a fluke, the wind completely dominated the game. We still can’t win TOP and get 3 and outs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Simon said: The entire unit needs rebuilt. The Bills will never seriously contend for a championship with that defense. End of story. It's the front 4. The back end and LBs are plenty good enough. The front 4 can't get any pressure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 The soft zone killed the Bills this game.... who's bright idea was it to let Kelce and Hill find a spot in the defence and run freely. Best TE in the game... here you go how about 8 yards?....one of the best WR's in the game... here you got would you like 10 yards on the house? WTF, did the 2nd quarter not show you you can't play soft zone on these guys? It's an f'ing joke 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Big Blitz said: It's the front 4. The back end and LBs are plenty good enough. The front 4 can't get any pressure. I agree the Front is priority #1 but there's big issues behind them too. Edmunds is not the answer in the middle, Milano is probably gone, Klein is a 1 down backer; that unit needs rebuilt from the inside out. White is the only good corner on the roster; the #2 is overmatched every game and we don't have a slot corner worth the title. That unit also needs rebuilt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Big Blitz said: It's the front 4. The back end and LBs are plenty good enough. The front 4 can't get any pressure. As far as I’m concerned, Lotulelei can go. By him sitting out we’ve lacked a space eater all year. Don’t give me the COVID nonsense. You can get COVID on the football field and you can get it at a restaurant eating out with family. Nonsense.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said: The soft zone killed the Bills this game.... who's bright idea was it to let Kelce and Hill find a spot in the defence and run freely. Best TE in the game... here you go how about 8 yards?....one of the best WR's in the game... here you got would you like 10 yards on the house? WTF, did the 2nd quarter not show you you can't play soft zone on these guys? It's an f'ing joke McDermott rarely plays man. He’s another Boeheim that is completely married to the system. I hate it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: It's the front 4. The back end and LBs are plenty good enough. The front 4 can't get any pressure. Front 4 are awful.... I'm not feeling Tremaine 6 minutes ago, Simon said: I agree the Front is priority #1 but there's big issues behind them too. Edmunds is not the answer in the middle, Milano is probably gone, Klein is a 1 down backer; that unit needs rebuilt from the inside out. White is the only good corner on the roster; the #2 is overmatched every game and we don't have a slot corner worth the title. That unit also needs rebuilt. 10000000% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, Simon said: The entire unit needs rebuilt. The Bills will never seriously contend for a championship with that defense. End of story. Entire defense? no.. we need parts not a rebuild 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: I'm the last for doon and gloom but this D is not good. We need upgrades everywhere. 1. Dline - D. Hughes has his moments. Ed needs a true NT next to him. Off season signings need to all be gone. 2. Cb - C. decent core...but not great. 3. Lbs - C. need some depth here or switch to a 3-4 where Edmunds would be better. 4. Safties C+ - said this early in the year but they are average. Hyde has lost a step and poyer is overblown by our fans. When neal comes in we make more plays. 5. Coaching - C. best thing that could happen is Frazier gets hired by Texas so we can get 2 3rds. Liar Liar Pants on Fire The D didn't measure up against KC. Right now, we are good enough to shut down one dimensional teams but the balanced colts were almost too much for us, and KC was too much for us. I'm not sure what the missing pieces are here, but I'm pretty sure you don't either I'm pretty sure McDermott and Beane will figure it out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 You can make a case for offense or defense this offense. Specifically the draft. But I think we find speed at rb and try to reload on defense. Our front four was average at best and Hughes is longish in the tooth. Need a jump from epenesa next year and Oliver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 White, Poyer, Hyde, Milano - all keepers. Our D-Line signings were a downgrade from last year it seems. Need to fix the front. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I will probably post this 100 times in the next 3 months. But similar to the Diggs deal we need to be floating that 1st rounder to cap strapped teams for an elite level pass rusher. Mack Cox TJ Watt (highly unlikely) Donald Maybe nobody bites but I would 100% support floating that 1st rounder out there to some of these teams and see if they’d send an eliteish level rusher to us. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 We need more speed. That's about it. KC was much faster. 8 yards became 50 or 60. They're fast and great. Hill had 206 yards in one quarter this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, Simon said: I agree the Front is priority #1 but there's big issues behind them too. Edmunds is not the answer in the middle, Milano is probably gone, Klein is a 1 down backer; that unit needs rebuilt from the inside out. White is the only good corner on the roster; the #2 is overmatched every game and we don't have a slot corner worth the title. That unit also needs rebuilt. You'd be surprised with what 3 new (quality) front 4 guys could do. I honestly think Ed Oliver is on the cusp of breaking out, but the surrounding cast is average at best. Hard not to like Jerry, but he is getting over the hill. Rest of the dline could honestly get replaced. Epenesa has talent, I think win another nfl.off season he will be a solid starter. But we desperately need to generate a 4 man pass rush. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Rc2catch said: I will probably post this 100 times in the next 3 months. But similar to the Diggs deal we need to be floating that 1st rounder to cap strapped teams for an elite level pass rusher. Mack Cox TJ Watt (highly unlikely) Donald Maybe nobody bites but I would 100% support floating that 1st rounder out there to some of these teams and see if they’d send an eliteish level rusher to us. Mahomes had a very clean pocket all game and easy vision... that’s recipe for a big game. We have one of the leagues biggest payroll expense for dline yet it is our weakness. Pass rush is a major flaw of this team right now and blitzing is our cover-up for it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: It was a fluke, the wind completely dominated the game. We still can’t win TOP and get 3 and outs. yea. they gave up 3rd and longs all game / all year. huntley almost beat them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: I'm the last for doon and gloom but this D is not good. We need upgrades everywhere. 1. Dline - D. Hughes has his moments. Ed needs a true NT next to him. Off season signings need to all be gone. 2. Cb - C. decent core...but not great. 3. Lbs - C. need some depth here or switch to a 3-4 where Edmunds would be better. 4. Safties C+ - said this early in the year but they are average. Hyde has lost a step and poyer is overblown by our fans. When neal comes in we make more plays. 5. Coaching - C. best thing that could happen is Frazier gets hired by Texas so we can get 2 3rds. If we had had a passing game tonight and Allen has one of his better games of the season, you wouldn't be thinking about our bad defense at all. You'd be leading the cheers as we prepare for Tampa in the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Locomark said: Mahomes had a very clean pocket all game and easy vision... that’s recipe for a big game. We have one of the leagues biggest payroll expense for dline yet it is our weakness. Pass rush is a major flaw of this team right now and blitzing is our cover-up for it. Yeah all our pressure has basically been schemed up. They knew they couldn’t do that to KC. In all seriousness that was probably one of the easiest big games Mahomes has ever had. We barely even got within arms length of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 There was a small chance that we could have won the SB with that defense. But to do that all the stars would have had to align and we would have had to get some incredible luck on both sides of the ball. As I watched this game I got a sickening feeling of deja vu back to the Bills of the late 80s and how the Offense was always so good but if neutralized would expose our sometimes iffy defense. And those teams had some serious talent on D. Of the few name players we have on this defense, they just didnt show up in this game and some others this year. We were lucky to beat Indy. It just seems incredibly to me that with such a mediocre defense that the coaches didnt come up with something special for the Chiefs. It was like they were just hoping that Mahomes didn't play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, Locomark said: Mahomes had a very clean pocket all game and easy vision... that’s recipe for a big game. We have one of the leagues biggest payroll expense for dline yet it is our weakness. Pass rush is a major flaw of this team right now and blitzing is our cover-up for it. Plus weak tampa 2 or cover 2 whatever vs a good QB. Pass rushers work in that d. Bill's had none and how they lost. Coaching played a big part. Realize there weakness. Better off trying swinging out the gates. rather a slow painful death. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) I'm really not sure where we stand with contacts but I can definitely see three or four starters gone from this defense next year. Edited January 25, 2021 by ALLEN1QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: I'm really not sure where we stand with contacts but I can definitely see three or four starters gone from this defense next year. yea who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said: You'd be surprised with what 3 new (quality) front 4 guys could do. I honestly think Ed Oliver is on the cusp of breaking out, but the surrounding cast is average at best. Hard not to like Jerry, but he is getting over the hill. Rest of the dline could honestly get replaced. Epenesa has talent, I think win another nfl.off season he will be a solid starter. But we desperately need to generate a 4 man pass rush. Ya know, for a “Master Strategist” you’d think that a superb coach like Leslie Frazier could get more out of an overpaid DL such as ours. Butler, Addison, Jefferson, Hughes, Epenesa, Oliver and Murphy etc.. At what point is it about the coaching scheme/philosophy and not the players? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 45 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I build around White, Poyer, and Hyde. The rest I would let go. White was toasted all day but Hill and Kelce. We could use a better man CB and safeties need to be upgraded. I am not a fan of our LBs at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 51 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: I'm the last for doon and gloom but this D is not good. We need upgrades everywhere. 1. Dline - D. Hughes has his moments. Ed needs a true NT next to him. Off season signings need to all be gone. 2. Cb - C. decent core...but not great. 3. Lbs - C. need some depth here or switch to a 3-4 where Edmunds would be better. 4. Safties C+ - said this early in the year but they are average. Hyde has lost a step and poyer is overblown by our fans. When neal comes in we make more plays. 5. Coaching - C. best thing that could happen is Frazier gets hired by Texas so we can get 2 3rds. I want a 3-4 honestly Seems like a better scheme to create pressure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I’m extremely confident that if you replaced Addison, whoever starts next to Oliver at DT, and Edmunds with street free agents that the defense wouldn’t have been any worse. Zimmer played as good as butler and Jefferson. Johnson wasn’t any worse than Addison. Edmunds is a robotic liability but since he’s still on his rookie deal, I’d keep him another year. The secondary would look a lot better with a pass rush. I thought Poyer was outstanding this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 57 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: I'm the last for doon and gloom but this D is not good. We need upgrades everywhere. 1. Dline - D. Hughes has his moments. Ed needs a true NT next to him. Off season signings need to all be gone. 2. Cb - C. decent core...but not great. 3. Lbs - C. need some depth here or switch to a 3-4 where Edmunds would be better. 4. Safties C+ - said this early in the year but they are average. Hyde has lost a step and poyer is overblown by our fans. When neal comes in we make more plays. 5. Coaching - C. best thing that could happen is Frazier gets hired by Texas so we can get 2 3rds. I doubt Frazier gets hired but i agree Beane needs to work on the talent level on defensive side of the football. Did any of Beane's free agent signings make any plays in these playoffs? I prefer he targets quality Beane has to do better spending money on defensive side of the ball, his signings have produced very little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Would love to 5 to happen. Take that soft zone with you lol. Addition by subtraction. Lose Leslie and his soft zone. Get two 3rd round picks and get a DC who incorporates more man D. Win, win, win..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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