Week 17: Dolphins at Bills - Squish the Fish playoff hopes and dreams

[Bob in STL]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Not a poke, just curious if the Phins fan gestalt is really to still blame Tannehill?  I mean, he's QBing the league's #3 offense on points right now, and while he doesn't have huge passing attempts or yards, he is pretty durn efficient - 65% completions, 240 ypg, 12 ypc, 32 TD 7 INT.  He was pretty good last year too when he won comeback player of the year.  Which sort of says to me maybe it was some other factor amiss in Miami (I personally give it 4 letters ,starts with "G")

 

Indeed.   He is the type of QB that can do well with a great defense and a strong running game.  He is smart and makes effective use of his limited passing game.  He is not good enough to carry an average team or make the players around him better.  

[billsbackto81]

2 hours ago, Phinsfaninpeace said:

Whaaaaa? Who's claimed that? We had a ***** show going on for years before Flo and Co. Came to town. We were literally down there with Cleveland, and the jets. Tannenbaum straight up ruined us even worse than I thought could be possible since we were already ruined before that. 

 

That being said, we are sooooooooo much better than were were pre Coach Flo and co. Everyone is on the same page now. And its working. 

No doubt Flo has done a great job but Tua was his pick. I understand it's still early but outside of very good accuracy I don't see anything "elite" about his game and his injury history would worry me as well. He's not the biggest guy and has had a lot of lower body issues. Flo will turn things around but he's gotta live with that pick. Expect him to pick up a starting caliber vet at QB to compete with Tua.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Phinsfaninpeace said:

You know how dolphins are the only other mammals on earth to have sex for pleasure... well phins up means dolphins all up in dat ass for the win! 

 

Hope that answers your question! 🍺

 

A group of monkeys also does...in fact they have a "sex culture" to the point where they have orgies...but apparently it works for them and there is almost no violent behavior amongst them.

[RunTheBall]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Not a poke, just curious if the Phins fan gestalt is really to still blame Tannehill?  I mean, he's QBing the league's #3 offense on points right now, and while he doesn't have huge passing attempts or yards, he is pretty durn efficient - 65% completions, 240 ypg, 12 ypc, 32 TD 7 INT.  He was pretty good last year too when he won comeback player of the year.  Which sort of says to me maybe it was some other factor amiss in Miami (I personally give it 4 letters ,starts with "G")

 

I think he meant the GM Tannenbaum unless you are asking about Tannehill as an aside

[MJS]

3 hours ago, Phinsfaninpeace said:

Whaaaaa? Who's claimed that? We had a ***** show going on for years before Flo and Co. Came to town. We were literally down there with Cleveland, and the jets. Tannenbaum straight up ruined us even worse than I thought could be possible since we were already ruined before that. 

 

That being said, we are sooooooooo much better than were were pre Coach Flo and co. Everyone is on the same page now. And its working. 

They do seem to be on the right track. I'm looking forward to a good rivalry between the Bills and Dolphins.

 

That being said, I can not sold on Tua at all. He seems ... underwhelming to me, but he's a rookie. We'll see if he improved.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

[jimmy10]

Happy New Year to all our Bills brothers and sisters. May this not only be a year of good fortune for our team, but the first in a long string of good years. 

Be ready. It might be chilly. 

[RiotAct]

6 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:

Happy New Year to all our Bills brothers and sisters. May this not only be a year of good fortune for our team, but the first in a long string of good years. 

Be ready. It might be chilly. 

[BillsFan619]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

They do seem to be on the right track. I'm looking forward to a good rivalry between the Bills and Dolphins.

 

That being said, I can not sold on Tua at all. He seems ... underwhelming to me, but he's a rookie. We'll see if he improved.

That’s a good take and way to describe him, MJS.

 

He’s just underwhelming. Definitely doesn’t come close to matching the hype.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, RunTheBall said:

 

I think he meant the GM Tannenbaum unless you are asking about Tannehill as an aside

Im sure you must be correct

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Not a poke, just curious if the Phins fan gestalt is really to still blame Tannehill?  I mean, he's QBing the league's #3 offense on points right now, and while he doesn't have huge passing attempts or yards, he is pretty durn efficient - 65% completions, 240 ypg, 12 ypc, 32 TD 7 INT.  He was pretty good last year too when he won comeback player of the year.  Which sort of says to me maybe it was some other factor amiss in Miami (I personally give it 4 letters ,starts with "G")

Mostly injuries doomed him in Miami although Gase didn't help.  The talent was always there which is why he landed a big second contract in Miami.  His offensive line and weapons were pretty bad to subpar throughout his tenure there.  He missed all of 2017 with the ACL tear and then lost his ability to throw the deep ball dealing with a shoulder injury in 2018.  He got healthy and fell into an offense that played to his strengths.  He's good and pry is in the 6 to 10 range if I had to rank him right now.

[Brit]

6 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

A group of monkeys also does...in fact they have a "sex culture" to the point where they have orgies...but apparently it works for them and there is almost no violent behavior amongst them.

Bonobos. A type of great ape. Our closest animal relative. Might explain hippies.

[SomeDudeAtHome]

11 hours ago, Phinsfaninpeace said:

You know how dolphins are the only other mammals on earth to have sex for pleasure... well phins up means dolphins all up in dat ass for the win! 

 

Hope that answers your question! 🍺 

I'm no dolphin expert but I'm pretty sure that's not how sex works for them

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, SomeDudeAtHome said:

I'm no dolphin expert but I'm pretty sure that's not how sex works for them

You are correct.  At least we have an explaination of what the Fins fan thinks that means, though.

Captive cetaceans develop floppy dorsal fins (the reason for this is debated).  I was thinking it meant the Fins were at least swimming in the ocean again and their floppy fins were now standing up properly

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Chandler#81]

17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

To be fair, Fromm is an unknown quantity at present.  But Fitz>>>>Barkley for sure.

 

That said, I don't want to restart the "Fitzpatrick Cycle" in B'lo.

In unfairness to your response, never seeing the field is exactly why Barkley > Fromm & of course,  Fitz >  Barkley.

Fitz would know his role here, would never challenge that he deserves to start over Allen and would be a fantastic back up for us. 

Nothing has ever remained the same so there’s no ‘restart’. It’s all about the present. Buy him a 7 BR house in the ‘burbs and live out his days in WNY. His post football career would be set as a sports show host and he is more capable than any other back up QB playing today -assurance of continued team success, should disaster befall us.

[MAJBobby]

Brown has been removed from Covid List 

[Coffeesforclosers]

I'm thinking McD might surprise us here by being ruthless and playing the starters. Mostly to keep the Bills humming along in top form, but also to play up the narrative that Tua needs his bearded Binky from Harvard to hold his hand.

 

I like the idea of recreating Kelly v Marino in Tua v Allen.  But I want a scenario like Brady vs AFCE scrub of the week a lot more.

[JMF2006]

12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Not a poke, just curious if the Phins fan gestalt is really to still blame Tannehill?  I mean, he's QBing the league's #3 offense on points right now, and while he doesn't have huge passing attempts or yards, he is pretty durn efficient - 65% completions, 240 ypg, 12 ypc, 32 TD 7 INT.  He was pretty good last year too when he won comeback player of the year.  Which sort of says to me maybe it was some other factor amiss in Miami (I personally give it 4 letters ,starts with "G")

 

Game manager...get him behind and watch him fold

 

If you can get up a couple scores it takes 22 out of play and then Tannehill has to make throws he is not comfotable with.

[JMF2006]

17 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

When fish die don't they float fins up?

 

They wash up on a beach and rot

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Bills activate John Brown from Covid-19 list.

 

BIG sigh of relief.

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-activate-john-brown-from-reserve-covid-19-list-announce-these-other-moves

 

 

They also activated C Wade and safety Josh Thomas back onto the Practice Squad

 

"The team also signed wide receiver J.J. Nelson and cornerback Duke Thomas to the practice squad.

Offensive lineman Marquel Harrell, linebacker Deon Lacey and cornerback Lafayette Pitts have been released from the practice squad."

 

Nelson is a small fast guy, 5'10" 160 lbs.  Screamin' hot 4.28s 40 time, 36" vertical leap

Attended Alabama but did not overlap with Daboll, drafted in 2015.  Older guy - 28.  Teammate of John Brown on the Cardinals, played for them 2015-2018.  5th round pick.  Played for Oakland last season, was released on 10 October (3 days after they traded for Zay Jones).  Was signed by SF 49'ers but injured, released with an injury settlement at the start of the season.

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

Game manager...get him behind and watch him fold

If you can get up a couple scores it takes 22 out of play and then Tannehill has to make throws he is not comfotable with.

 

I'm not quite sure that fits the data from the last couple years in Tenn.

But, I have not watched a lot of their games

Just glancing at 2019 here that the guy has a 73% completion percentage when trailing, 115 out of 158 passes, 12 TD, 3 INT, 116 passer rating

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00/splits/2019/

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Bills activate John Brown from Covid-19 list.

 

BIG sigh of relief.

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/bills-activate-john-brown-from-reserve-covid-19-list-announce-these-other-moves

 

 

They also activated C Wade and safety Josh Thomas back onto the Practice Squad

 

"The team also signed wide receiver J.J. Nelson and cornerback Duke Thomas to the practice squad.

Offensive lineman Marquel Harrell, linebacker Deon Lacey and cornerback Lafayette Pitts have been released from the practice squad."

 

Nelson is a small fast guy, 5'10" 160 lbs.  Screamin' hot 4.28s 40 time, 36" vertical leap

Attended Alabama but did not overlap with Daboll, drafted in 2015.  Older guy - 28.  Teammate of John Brown on the Cardinals, played for them 2015-2018.  5th round pick.  Played for Oakland last season, was released on 10 October (3 days after they traded for Zay Jones).  Was signed by SF 49'ers but injured, released with an injury settlement at the start of the season.

 

 

 

The Bills have (and I kid you not) been after JJ Nelson for years. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

The Bills have (and I kid you not) been after JJ Nelson for years. 

 

If so, why didn't they sign him earlier?  He was released with an injury settlement September 6th.  Knee injury reported at the time to be 2-4 weeks, so the injury settlement would probably have been 4 weeks and they could have signed him in October (of course, he could have not wanted to sign here then)

 

Do you know why the Bills have been after him?

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If so, why didn't they sign him earlier?  He was released with an injury settlement September 6th.  Knee injury reported at the time to be 2-4 weeks, so the injury settlement would probably have been 4 weeks and they could have signed him in October (of course, he could have not wanted to sign here then)

 

Do you know why the Bills have been after him?

 

 

I don’t know why but I assume his speed. Major rumors that Beane tried to trade for him back in 2017 right after Watkins got traded 

Edited January 1, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I don’t know why but I assume his speed. Major rumors that Beane tried to trade for him back in 2017 right after Watkins got traded 

 

Well, he is fast, no question there!  But his catch % with Arizona is not promising, and that was with 2.5 years of Carson Palmer throwing to him.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NelsJJ00.htm

 

[nucci]

49 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

I'm thinking McD might surprise us here by being ruthless and playing the starters. Mostly to keep the Bills humming along in top form, but also to play up the narrative that Tua needs his bearded Binky from Harvard to hold his hand.

 

I like the idea of recreating Kelly v Marino in Tua v Allen.  But I want a scenario like Brady vs AFCE scrub of the week a lot more.

a few starters not playing will not disrupt the team. They will still practice and be ready for 1st playoff game...Diggs, Allen, Tre...should not play

[wjag]

 I just finished watching the Daboll interview.  He said MNF was the first game the Bills O had no pre-snap penalties.  I tracked they had three penalties in the game.  I remember two of them, the PI on White and the holding call on the return.  The other doesn't matter.  I see this as a major improvement going forward.  Part of it I attribute to the OLine playing in the same position for a few games now.  Keep it going.  These are the subtle but important changes that make a good team, a playoff winning team.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The Bills have (and I kid you not) been after JJ Nelson for years. 

its weird. I wonder if Beane has an inflated view of him since One of Nelson’s best games came against the panthers in 2016 (8 catches; 79 yards; 2 TD’s). 

2 minutes ago, wjag said:

 I just finished watching the Daboll interview.  He said MNF was the first game the Bills O had no pre-snap penalties.  I tracked they had three penalties in the game.  I remember two of them, the PI on White and the holding call on the return.  The other doesn't matter.  I see this as a major improvement going forward.  Part of it I attribute to the OLine playing in the same position for a few games now.  Keep it going.  These are the subtle but important changes that make a good team, a playoff winning team.  

the absence of pre-snap penalties is great. But the overall lack of penalties in that game isn’t too much to read into. The refs were awful— they weren’t calling anything, especially any offensive holds. Guys were getting mugged (both teams).

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Does anyone know where the Bills are practicing today?  Is it a Stadium practice?

[Doc]

30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The Bills have (and I kid you not) been after JJ Nelson for years. 

 

From where did you hear this?  He's been unproductive the last 2 seasons and wasn't on a roster this season. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, wjag said:

 I just finished watching the Daboll interview.  He said MNF was the first game the Bills O had no pre-snap penalties.  I tracked they had three penalties in the game.  I remember two of them, the PI on White and the holding call on the return.  The other doesn't matter.  I see this as a major improvement going forward.  Part of it I attribute to the OLine playing in the same position for a few games now.  Keep it going.  These are the subtle but important changes that make a good team, a playoff winning team.  

 

Yes, I think details, avoiding dumb penalties, was a big focus for them.

[BearNorth]

Truthfully the Epenesa penalty was probably unavoidable, he was going for the sack/big hit on the QB and was a microsecond late.  Yes it was a high hit, but how many times has Allen been hit like that this year with nothing called.  NFL really needs to understand that 280 pound people at 15 mph, can't always exactly hit the QB in the perfect place, esp when said QB ducks when about to be hit.

 

[K-9]

16 minutes ago, wjag said:

 I just finished watching the Daboll interview.  He said MNF was the first game the Bills O had no pre-snap penalties.  I tracked they had three penalties in the game.  I remember two of them, the PI on White and the holding call on the return.  The other doesn't matter.  I see this as a major improvement going forward.  Part of it I attribute to the OLine playing in the same position for a few games now.  Keep it going.  These are the subtle but important changes that make a good team, a playoff winning team.  

The third was the total crap roughing the passer call on Epenesa. 

[{::'KayCeeS::}]

8 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Truthfully the Epenesa penalty was probably unavoidable, he was going for the sack/big hit on the QB and was a microsecond late.  Yes it was a high hit, but how many times has Allen been hit like that this year with nothing called.  NFL really needs to understand that 280 pound people at 15 mph, can't always exactly hit the QB in the perfect place, esp when said QB ducks when about to be hit.

 

 

Yes, context needs to be applied by the ref in these situations.  Like the Milano roughing penalty against Denver.  There's a difference of premeditation that should be considered a foul, as opposed to just incidental contact.

[YoloinOhio]

27 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

From where did you hear this?  He's been unproductive the last 2 seasons and wasn't on a roster this season. 

From 2017. Astro

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

 

 

Apologies if this was up-thread and I missed it.  Dolphins injuries as of yesterday.

[Mojo44]

16 minutes ago, {::'KayCeeS::} said:

 

Yes, context needs to be applied by the ref in these situations.  Like the Milano roughing penalty against Denver.  There's a difference of premeditation that should be considered a foul, as opposed to just incidental contact.

Premeditation cannot be a factor in these calls. A referee cannot be expected to read a players mind. They have  to base their judgment on how to play turned out whether it was premeditated or incidental. I agree with you that some of the calls including the one on Milano were questionable.For example, most facemask penalties are not intentional but incidental but you have to call out every time

[{::'KayCeeS::}]

Just now, Mojo44 said:

Premeditation cannot be a factor in these calls. A referee cannot be expected to read a players mind. They have  to base their judgment on how to play turned out whether it was premeditated or incidental. I agree with you that some of the calls including the one on Milano were questionable.For example, most facemask penalties are not intentional but incidental but you have to call out every time

 

If you agree the Milano penalty was questionable, then you are saying premeditation is a factor.  Because he hit the QB low.

[K-9]

4 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

Premeditation cannot be a factor in these calls. A referee cannot be expected to read a players mind. They have  to base their judgment on how to play turned out whether it was premeditated or incidental. I agree with you that some of the calls including the one on Milano were questionable.For example, most facemask penalties are not intentional but incidental but you have to call out every time

Which is why they differentiate between flagrant and incidental and alter the severity of the penalty accordingly.