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7 minutes ago, Might Rather said:

Cards' Hopkins defends practice habits in rant https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30589237/arizona-cardinals-deandre-hopkins-defends-practice-habits-rant
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We got the best WR in the NFL and I'm glad we got the right one last spring.

I mean I wouldn't want him getting distracted on BS but if this is a narrative in Arizona it sounds pretty dumb.

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8 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean I wouldn't want him getting distracted on BS but if this is a narrative in Arizona it sounds pretty dumb.


I totally agree.  Hopkins leads the league in receiving yards.  Who gives a crap if he gets Wednesdays off to stay fresh.  If anything it seems like a strategy that’s working extremely well.

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So wait, he gets the vet day off with...wait for it...other vets...and also missed a week of practice with injury. Then leads the league in receiving? 
 

WTF is going on with AZ sports media? Seems like a giant nothing burger. Maybe it will get some legs. But right now this seems much ado about nothing. 
 

Something to think about, Diggs slides more than any WR I have seen in my life. If this team were .500 we would be railroading him out of town for that stuff. 

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4 minutes ago, Mango said:

Something to think about, Diggs slides more than any WR I have seen in my life. If this team were .500 we would be railroading him out of town for that stuff.

I'm not sure how much of that is on Diggs I think he only ever does that after he's gotten the first down and well away from the endzone. Seems like maybe a team message/plan that if you've got it and are surrounded get down and don't take the big hit we need you down the stretch.

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6 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I'm not sure how much of that is on Diggs I think he only ever does that after he's gotten the first down and well away from the endzone. Seems like maybe a team message/plan that if you've got it and are surrounded get down and don't take the big hit we need you down the stretch.


Yeah. Wasn’t hating on it. Just sort of flipping the script. AZ sports media is full of poop. 

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18 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:


I totally agree.  Hopkins leads the league in receiving yards.  Who gives a crap if he gets Wednesdays off to stay fresh.  If anything it seems like a strategy that’s working extremely well.


in fact I think it’s safe to say that he’s probably nice and beat up and playing through plenty and should be praised, but....

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I'm not sure how much of that is on Diggs I think he only ever does that after he's gotten the first down and well away from the endzone. Seems like maybe a team message/plan that if you've got it and are surrounded get down and don't take the big hit we need you down the stretch.


kind of exactly the point. It’s dumb to criticize a great player doing what works to get through the season and perform elite. 
 

No reason to wear your body down just for the sake of it. 

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29 minutes ago, Mango said:

Something to think about, Diggs slides more than any WR I have seen in my life. If this team were .500 we would be railroading him out of town for that stuff. 

He does, but if his history in Minnesota is any indication those slides start turning into extra effort yardage in the playoffs. 

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13 minutes ago, Might Rather said:

Cards' Hopkins defends practice habits in rant https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30589237/arizona-cardinals-deandre-hopkins-defends-practice-habits-rant
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We got the best WR in the NFL and I'm glad we got the right one last spring.

 

So Hopkins has missed practice due to vet rest days and due to injury, and this is supposed to be an issue?

 

He's arguably been the the best WR in the league for several years.  He goes hard every play every game and he takes a serious beating.

 

I love me some Diggs and I'm super-glad we got him this by no means indicates Diggs better than Hopkins, just some fans or media dumber than rocks about what the grind is like in the NFL.

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22 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

He does, but if his history in Minnesota is any indication those slides start turning into extra effort yardage in the playoffs. 

 

Diggs already puts in the extra effort when it counts.  He blocks like a SOB.  He puts his shoulder down and fights for the YAC when he needs the first down or the endzone's in reach.  When he has the first down why should he take the extra lickin'?  Smart to slide, protect the ball and potentially draw the UR penalty if someone hits him anyway.

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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Diggs already puts in the extra effort when it counts.  He blocks like a SOB.  He puts his shoulder down and fights for the YAC when he needs the first down or the endzone's in reach.  When he has the first down why should he take the extra lickin'?  Smart to slide, protect the ball and potentially draw the UR penalty if someone hits him anyway.

Agree completely. I’m just pointing out that he tends to stop sliding in the playoffs when every game is do or die. To reiterate... I’m just talking about the sliding and not any other aspect of his game. 

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8 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Agree completely. I’m just pointing out that he tends to stop sliding in the playoffs when every game is do or die. To reiterate... I’m just talking about the sliding and not any other aspect of his game. 


right- it’s dumb for a CB to take on derrick Henry in preseason or when eliminated from the playoffs, but 4th quarter of the super bowl very few are shying away from contact. 
 

I think some lost contact with that idea with us having such a long run of mediocrity. Saving gas for when it matters is actually a real consideration for nfl players.

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Not sure it's this big of deal, but he should at least recognize that him being at practice isn't *just* about him and his ability may, for example, make the CBs better or he may have insight to help out Murray. Now given his production, as a team, I'd probably have a conversation with him about it and that would be the end of it if he didn't want to practice. 

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1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

I'm not sure how much of that is on Diggs I think he only ever does that after he's gotten the first down and well away from the endzone. Seems like maybe a team message/plan that if you've got it and are surrounded get down and don't take the big hit we need you down the stretch.

 

I agree...we gain yards like they are going out of style, so it's not like the one extra yard is going to matter too much.

55 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So Hopkins has missed practice due to vet rest days and due to injury, and this is supposed to be an issue?

 

He's arguably been the the best WR in the league for several years.  He goes hard every play every game and he takes a serious beating.

 

I love me some Diggs and I'm super-glad we got him this by no means indicates Diggs better than Hopkins, just some fans or media dumber than rocks about what the grind is like in the NFL.

 

There are players on the Bills who probably haven't practiced on Wednesday's in 2 years due to vet rest days. What is the big deal?  It's not like they are padded practices anyways. It would be one thing if the man was doing terrible, but all he does is lead the league in receiving and make tough catch after tough catch.

1 hour ago, Charles Romes said:

No one ever complained about the Bruce Smith rules.
 

When you are arguably the league’s best for a sustained period you have earned the right to make your own rules. 

 

Or LT Rules.  

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Wherever I read it recently I don't recall, but, Diggs is the only player with 1300+ yds from scrimmage not to have lost a fumble.  When he gives up on a play there are multiple defenders involved, he has gotten the key yardage to be gained and by doing so he protects both himself and the ball.  I am totally ok with it.  He is not pulling a Kyle Orton.

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12 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

Wherever I read it recently I don't recall, but, Diggs is the only player with 1300+ yds from scrimmage not to have lost a fumble.  When he gives up on a play there are multiple defenders involved, he has gotten the key yardage to be gained and by doing so he protects both himself and the ball.  I am totally ok with it.  He is not pulling a Kyle Orton.

Once a WR has a first down, gaining a few extra yards between the 20s is next to useless, and fighting for them is a losing proposition.  Yards are cheap in the NFL.  Possession is expensive.  When WRs fumble, the defense recovers more often than not, so there’s really no reason for them to fight for a yard or two while risking taking a hit and possibly fumbling.  Get to the ground or out of bounds, and live to fight another day.

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9 hours ago, BarleyNY said:


I totally agree.  Hopkins leads the league in receiving yards.  Who gives a crap if he gets Wednesdays off to stay fresh.  If anything it seems like a strategy that’s working extremely well.

D Hop is an amazing talent.  Watch the film.  Really a super talent.   Bill O'Brien really screwed the Texans over in so many ways.   

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10 hours ago, Mango said:

Something to think about, Diggs slides more than any WR I have seen in my life. If this team were .500 we would be railroading him out of town for that stuff. 

 

I like when him and Beazer hit the dirt and slide or just step out of bounds.

 

Its smart to live and fight another day its not like this offence has to fight and scratch for every yard.

 

You need to stay healthy you get dinged up enough over 17 games

 

How many times are they 2nd or 3rd and forever and get a first down?  I don't even fear those situations any more  :)

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Everybody wonders why Diggs didn’t work out in Minnesota and maybe we will never really know but all I know is he has been a total professional here and just wants to win maybe the QB for Minnesota just wasn’t that good

 

Kirk Cousins......now even pick 22..JJ is going off on him ;) 

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1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

D Hop is an amazing talent.  Watch the film.  Really a super talent.   Bill O'Brien really screwed the Texans over in so many ways.   

Agreed.  We have one of the best WRs in the game today.  So do the Cardinals.  IMO both WRs are in the top 5 of the league today.  I really don’t see the point in arguing about who number one is.  I’m happy we’ve got one of them and that he fits so well here. 

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11 hours ago, Might Rather said:

Cards' Hopkins defends practice habits in rant https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30589237/arizona-cardinals-deandre-hopkins-defends-practice-habits-rant
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We got the best WR in the NFL and I'm glad we got the right one last spring.

Diggs definitely isn’t the best WR in the NFL but Diggs is perfect for Allen and Buffalo. That’s what I care about.

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25 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Agreed.  We have one of the best WRs in the game today.  So do the Cardinals.  IMO both WRs are in the top 5 of the league today.  I really don’t see the point in arguing about who number one is.  I’m happy we’ve got one of them and that he fits so well here. 

 

Yes.  Hopkins will be a shoe-in hall of famer and Diggs has taken his first big step toward the same if he sticks with Allen.  

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Diggs has impressed me as a very aware player.  If he sees an opportunity, he exploits it.  If he sees nothing good is ahead, he protects the ball, and helps his team.  What's wrong with that? His skills make everyone else better, e.g. TD passes to 13 different players, including our starting QB.

 

 

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Shoot.. when I was 23-25 I’d spend an hour and a half to two hours in the gym 4-5 days a week.. Here I am at 33 and now I’ll spend 3-4 days a week in the gym for about 45 minutes to an hour.. Once you reach about 30 years old you start to slow down.. Granted I’m not a pro athlete but I think there is a natural biological effect once you start to get a bit older.. At that point you need to learn how to work out smarter and not harder.. 

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11 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

Wherever I read it recently I don't recall, but, Diggs is the only player with 1300+ yds from scrimmage not to have lost a fumble.  When he gives up on a play there are multiple defenders involved, he has gotten the key yardage to be gained and by doing so he protects both himself and the ball.  I am totally ok with it.  He is not pulling a Kyle Orton.

 

Yeah, I'm Ok with it too.

 

Remember one of our TEs fighting for yards when surrounded and he literally got picked up in the air by four or five Steelers so he couldn't end the play by going down? And they just held him up and had their way with him till he fumbled? Happened five or ten years ago and I still remember it painfully.

 

Plenty of times going down is smart. It's not as if he's not excellent at YAC. He is. He's great at it.

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16 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

Yeah, I'm Ok with it too.

 

Remember one of our TEs fighting for yards when surrounded and he literally got picked up in the air by four or five Steelers so he couldn't end the play by going down? And they just held him up and had their way with him till he fumbled? Happened five or ten years ago and I still remember it painfully.

 

Plenty of times going down is smart. It's not as if he's not excellent at YAC. He is. He's great at it.


David Nelson.  In OT against Ravens. 

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20 hours ago, Mango said:

So wait, he gets the vet day off with...wait for it...other vets...and also missed a week of practice with injury. Then leads the league in receiving? 
 

WTF is going on with AZ sports media? Seems like a giant nothing burger. Maybe it will get some legs. But right now this seems much ado about nothing. 
 

Something to think about, Diggs slides more than any WR I have seen in my life. If this team were .500 we would be railroading him out of town for that stuff. 

I actually like that he slides, he usually slides when he has 2 or 3 guys looking to lay a big hit on him and nothing to gain. With the rules the way they are in the NFL giving the advantage to offense, I would rather have him healthy for the long haul. I have really only see him slide like 5 or 6 times this years and they all seemed like the smart move. 

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8 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Shoot.. when I was 23-25 I’d spend an hour and a half to two hours in the gym 4-5 days a week.. Here I am at 33 and now I’ll spend 3-4 days a week in the gym for about 45 minutes to an hour.. Once you reach about 30 years old you start to slow down.. Granted I’m not a pro athlete but I think there is a natural biological effect once you start to get a bit older.. At that point you need to learn how to work out smarter and not harder.. 

wait until your in your 40’s and you chest day takes 4 days to recover from. Unless you are trying to become a pro athlete I would recommend more reps and light weigh.  Less joint pain when you get older

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