J E T S blow first pick

[Nihilarian]

WELP...so much for worrying that Brian Daboll would go to the NY Jets. 

 

Jacksonville, yes. 

LA Chargers, yes.

Houston, despite the lack of draft picks, yes.

 

OH, there is also the rumor that the "chin" wants to coach the NY Jets. Yes, Bill Cowher...and doubtful now.

Edited December 21, 2020 by Nihilarian

[May Day 10]

18 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

I feel like the Lawrence/Fields situation is kind of like McDavid/Eichel in the NHL Draft five years ago.

It's a lot different than that.

 

I was really all in on mcdavid... but I knew the lottery gave us a smaller chance to get him.  Eichel was still a sure franchise C, and that means more in hockey.  Football there are so many pieces and more variables.

 

I have been looking at their frecently recently.  Their fans had Lawrence banked on the jets.  I figured there was no way they would win a game myself.  Fans have watched his every game, consumed media, and have become emotionally vested in Trevor Lawrence as a Jet for his whole career.  

 

There isn't really an eichel here at 2.

[BillsToast]

Trask from Florida is not a bad 2nd place prize. He's a great player, but if they coach him like they coached Darnold he's toast. I think Trask is a far better passer than Darnold. 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

WELP...so much for worrying that Brian Daboll would go to the NY Jets. 

 

Jacksonville, yes. 

LA Chargers, yes.

Houston, despite the lack of draft picks, yes.

 

+ Atlanta, imo the most desirable opportunity that is out there.

[SinceThe70s]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Sorry, not trying to dig in and argue, but Luck took teams who had no business being in the playoffs for some pretty good rides. If he had had a better supporting cast and a little more time (in today’s standards, he played about a half of a career), there’s no telling how he might be viewed decades from now. 

 

How he is viewed down the road will be very interesting. I do know his twitter stuff was funny as hell! 

 

No need for sorry, just sharing opinions.

 

Luck had a nice career, but IMO he'll be largely forgotten. Through no fault of his own. If Lawrence goes  to the Jets and has a Luck-type career I'll be cool with it. 

 

WRT twitter, if you are referring to Captain Andrew Luck (https://twitter.com/captandrewluck?lang=en ) that was outstanding!!! 

[Hebert19]

3 minutes ago, BillsToast said:

Trask from Florida is not a bad 2nd place prize. He's a great player, but if they coach him like they coached Darnold he's toast. I think Trask is a far better passer than Darnold. 

 

 

If I were the Jets I would have traded the pick anyway.  Lawrence while talented screams Andrew luck.  Not the guy!   

 

Darnold plus a trade back and many draft picks scares me more than Lawrence. 

[RiotAct]

5 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

It's a lot different than that.

 

I was really all in on mcdavid... but I knew the lottery gave us a smaller chance to get him.  Eichel was still a sure franchise C, and that means more in hockey.  Football there are so many pieces and more variables.

That is a very good point.  Although, I think with the proper coaching (tall order for those two clown-show organizations), there is a good chance both develop into franchise quarterbacks.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t mean to be harsh, but that should be an embarrassing post for you. The guys you compared him to were ALL major questions, despite how highly some were drafted.  Trevor likely would have been the first pick in the draft after ONE season at Clemson.  It was obvious we didn’t want to face Andrew luck twice a year. He didn‘t have a great team around him, but they won....a LOT. 

 

If you watch and understand the game even a little (and I do NOT claim to be the expert many here are), you will see the obvious difference. 

Right. Other guys have had their moments as the "best QB prospect of this generation," but with Lawrence we can honestly say "not since Andrew Luck." Maybe that's not a full generation away, but it's close.

[Hebert19]

1 minute ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

No need for sorry, just sharing opinions.

 

Luck had a nice career, but IMO he'll be largely forgotten. Through no fault of his own. If Lawrence goes  to the Jets and has a Luck-type career I'll be cool with it. 

 

WRT twitter, if you are referring to Captain Andrew Luck (https://twitter.com/captandrewluck?lang=en ) that was outstanding!!! 

Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes are guys that could win on average teams.  Luck wasn't that.  Nor will Lawrence be imo. 

[H2o]

When I saw how that game ended all I could do was    This is the most Jets situation ever. A team going absolutely nowhere, with the top pro prospect at QB about to fall into their lap, and then boom. Gase gets his team to put together a competent outing and Frank Gore is the star of the game. Good for the players because no one wants to go 0-16, but at the organization as a whole. 

Edited December 21, 2020 by H2o

[Nihilarian]

4 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

It's a lot different than that.

 

I was really all in on mcdavid... but I knew the lottery gave us a smaller chance to get him.  Eichel was still a sure franchise C, and that means more in hockey.  Football there are so many pieces and more variables.

 

I have been looking at their frecently recently.  Their fans had Lawrence banked on the jets.  I figured there was no way they would win a game myself.  Fans have watched his every game, consumed media, and have become emotionally vested in Trevor Lawrence as a Jet for his whole career.  

 

There isn't really an eichel here at 2.

There is draft talk that both Justin Fields (Ohio St) and Zach Wilson (BYU) are both gonna go right after Lawrence.

 

Trey Lance (North Dakota ST) also looks like a first round prospect, perhaps to NE.

[MAJBobby]

Jets was the ONLY team with Lawrence I seen Daboll going to. Gets a QB and close to home. Don’t see him going out west. Maybe FL. But I think this Jets Win helps keep Daboll in Buffalo. 

[TAinLack.]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Jets fans heading to greet team at airport

Another gem from a fan at GangGreenforum: Pyrrhic victory (/ˈpɪrɪk/ ( listen) PIRR-ik): a victory that inflicts such a devastating toll on the victor that it is tantamount to defeat.

Winning a Pyrrhic victory takes a heavy toll that negates any true sense of achievement or damages long-term progress.

[Nihilarian]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Jets was the ONLY team with Lawrence I seen Daboll going to. Gets a QB and close to home. Don’t see him going out west. Maybe FL. But I think this Jets Win helps keep Daboll in Buffalo. 

I think he is gone no matter what at this point.

 

Depending on how Buffalo finishes the season I think he will have his pick of teams. Even New England might be in play if Bill Belichick steps down IMO. 

 

Already looking.

Houston

Detroit

Atlanta

 

Not fired yet. 

Jacksonville

NY Jets

LA Chargers

Dallas

Chicago

Minnesota

 

I gotta wonder how Belichick is feeling about now...6-8...outside...looking in for the first time since 2008... SB/MVP QB Cam Newton in tow.

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

I think he is gone no matter what at this point.

 

Depending on how Buffalo finishes the season I think he will have his pick of teams. Even New England might be in play if Bill Belichick steps down IMO. 

 

Already looking.

Houston

Detroit

Atlanta

 

Not fired yet. 

Jacksonville

NY Jets

LA Chargers

Dallas

Chicago

Minnesota

 

I gotta wonder how Belichick is feeling about now...6-8...outside...looking in for the first time since 2008... SB/MVP QB Cam Newton in tow.

Gotta wonder where Daboll is in his head though at this point in his career. Has bounced around the league went to college as well. Maybe he just is happy with where he is at and will only take a job close to home why Jets was worrisome to me. 
 

NE job isn’t open won’t be either. If BB steps down they fill is with McDaniels. 
 

however with NY transplants in FL I could see him coach Jags with Lawrence as well. I am not sure and maybe I am reading Daboll wrong but I think he is going to be very selective. And I could reading him wrong as well because I do Not want Daboll to go ANYWHERE until 2022 season at earliest. I want one more year to lock in Allen’s Growth. 
 

 

Edited December 21, 2020 by MAJBobby

[SinceThe70s]

10 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes are guys that could win on average teams.  Luck wasn't that.  Nor will Lawrence be imo. 

 

Agreed on Luck, we'll have to wait and see on Lawrence. But why didn't you include Josh along with Aaron and Patrick 😄 

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

 

I have a gut feeling Lawrence isn’t coming out.

Surely he will be fired, right? They have to. They HAVE to.

[Nihilarian]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Gotta wonder where Daboll is in his head though at this point in his career. Has bounced around the league went to college as well. Maybe he just is happy with where he is at and will only take a job close to home why Jets was worrisome to me. 
 

NE job isn’t open won’t be either. If BB steps down they fill is with McDaniels. 
 

however with NY transplants in FL I could see him coach Jags with Lawrence as well. I am not sure and maybe I am reading Daboll wrong but I think he is going to be very selective 

I think so also. 

 

What is being underestimated here is how other teams are drooling over Josh Allen about now. Like John Elway isn't kicking himself that he took Chubb over Allen at #5 in 2018. Or for that matter all the teams that passed on Allen, Cleveland 2x. NY Giants, Jets, Tampa who traded the pick, INDY.

 

Then, looking at what Allen was in 2018 vs what he looks like now is unbelievable. Brian Daboll is going to get a ton of credit for that development. His game planning, play calling. Most every team in the NFL wants their own Josh Allen, save perhaps KC, GB, Seattle. 

 

Daboll will be the hottest head coaching commodity on the market IMO.  Nobody even close at this point. 

 

 

P.S. Robert Kraft would boot McDaniel's to the curb if he could get Daboll, IMO. 

 

 

[Norcalbillsfan]

42 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

If I were the Jets I would have traded the pick anyway.  Lawrence while talented screams Andrew luck.  Not the guy!   

 

Darnold plus a trade back and many draft picks scares me more than Lawrence. 

I agree with a trade back, give darnold a chance. But Andrew Luck was no doubt a franchise qb before retiring, (cuz the Colts had no O line and let him get murdered).  Either way I think the afc east is getting alot better next year. I bet tonight the Pat's are talking about how to get Wentz, and the jets surround darnold with weapons and a decent o line.

16 minutes ago, MJS said:

Surely he will be fired, right? They have to. They HAVE to.

End of season probably. Might as well tank out, then blame him and fire him and make it look like they didn't purposely tank.

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, Arkady Renko said:

Why would they pick Lawrence when they have "Top AFC East QB" Sam Darnold?

 

They've now switched over to "Darnold is still a top QB if he gets the good coaching"

[DCofNC]

I think the Jags can come right back to a contender with  real coach and Lawrence, that’s a team, not all that far removed from winning the AFC Championship with Bortles at QB.  Now granted, the NFL sent the Patriots to the SB, but it’s not a complete wasteland.   They will get a hot coach to go there with Lawrence.  The Jets just screwed up big.

[Royale with Cheese]

This weekend can’t get any better.

[machine gun kelly]

3 hours ago, TroutDog said:

If they both lose out, Jax takes number one. 

Trout, I should know this so my apologies, but the Jags had a division win, and the Jets had a non conference win.  I guess strength of schedule?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I think the Jags can come right back to a contender with  real coach and Lawrence, that’s a team, not all that far removed from winning the AFC Championship with Bortles at QB.  Now granted, the NFL sent the Patriots to the SB, but it’s not a complete wasteland.   They will get a hot coach to go there with Lawrence.  The Jets just screwed up big.

 

I mean... that playoff team had Campbell, ngakoue, Ramsey, bouye, gipsob, telvin Smith, and Malik Jackson.  The current team has none of those players. 

 

They have josh allen DE, still have jack... lots of 2020 picks. But they have about as much in common as buffalo does with their 2017 playoff team.

[DCofNC]

3 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

I mean... that playoff team had Campbell, ngakoue, Ramsey, bouye, gipsob, telvin Smith, and Malik Jackson.  The current team has none of those players. 

 

They have josh allen DE, still have jack... lots of 2020 picks. But they have about as much in common as buffalo does with their 2017 playoff team.

All valid, but they do have talent there, an owner who will spend big, no income tax, good weather and are allowed to have fans (not that anybody would go) in the stadium.  There’s a chance for a quick turn around.  They can attract FAs for more than just “we’ll pay the most”, I think they could be pretty good, pretty quick.

[DrDawkinstein]

53 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Gotta wonder where Daboll is in his head though at this point in his career. Has bounced around the league went to college as well. Maybe he just is happy with where he is at and will only take a job close to home why Jets was worrisome to me. 
 

NE job isn’t open won’t be either. If BB steps down they fill is with McDaniels. 
 

however with NY transplants in FL I could see him coach Jags with Lawrence as well. I am not sure and maybe I am reading Daboll wrong but I think he is going to be very selective. And I could reading him wrong as well because I do Not want Daboll to go ANYWHERE until 2022 season at earliest. I want one more year to lock in Allen’s Growth. 
 

 

 

Another factor to watch for is if (when) Joe Schoen and Dan Morgan get poached from the FO for GM jobs. They might be very interested in luring Daboll to come along with them.

[The Jokeman]

3 hours ago, Fixxxer said:

so, blonde Kylo Ren goes to Jacksonville instead of New Jersey, poor guy...

Unless he goes back to school as honestly Jags might be worse run franchises in the league.

[SydneyBillsFan]

Not sure i would be celebrating being drafted by Jax either if i was Lawrence.

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Jets was the ONLY team with Lawrence I seen Daboll going to. Gets a QB and close to home. Don’t see him going out west. Maybe FL. But I think this Jets Win helps keep Daboll in Buffalo. 

The Chargers should be any HC top choice. The question is, is Daboll their top choice or Bienemy? The latter played with the Chargers so it might be better "fit".

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

I wonder if the JESTS front office views Lawrence the same way that their fan base does .  It would be such a typical move by their front office to hang in with Darnold and hope that he can turn it around.  My expectation is that no matter which course of action they take, they''ll screw it up.

Edited December 21, 2020 by Florida Bills Fanatic

[Process]

I just realized the jags play the bears and colts to finish the season. 

 

This is definitely not over. The jags do have talent on offense, they are definitely capable of beating the bears. And rivers can blow a game with the best of them. They already beat him this year. 

 

I do think the Jets beat the Patriots though. We may need them too.

[Playoffs?]

Kind of wonder now if the Jets will trade the #2 pick for a kings ransom, trade some veterans, roll with Darnold (and Gase?!) for another year, tank, and get their top QB the following year?

 

Guess there’d have to be a team out there that would give up a ton to move into #2..

[Johnnycage46]

1 minute ago, Process said:

I just realized the jags play the bears and colts to finish the season. 

 

This is definitely not over. The jags do have talent on offense, they are definitely capable of beating the bears. And rivers can blow a game with the best of them. They already beat him this year. 

 

I do think the Jets beat the Patriots though. We may need them too.

 

Why would we need that?

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Process said:

I just realized the jags play the bears and colts to finish the season. 

 

This is definitely not over. The jags do have talent on offense, they are definitely capable of beating the bears. And rivers can blow a game with the best of them. They already beat him this year. 

 

I do think the Jets beat the Patriots though. We may need them too.

 

True, but both the Bears and Colts want to win. And now sitting in the #1 spot and looking like he'll be retained, Marrone may want to keep it that way.

[BillsfaninSB]

13 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Not sure i would be celebrating being drafted by Jax either if i was Lawrence.

It is at least close to where he grew up.   

[White Linen]

This speaks to the brilliance of what Beane did.  He traded non building block, high priced players for draft picks.  Traded some to get the best QB in the draft and didn't have to totally suck to do it.

[Process]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

True, but both the Bears and Colts want to win. And now sitting in the #1 spot and looking like he'll be retained, Marrone may want to keep it that way.

Have they already committed to Marrone beyond this year? How does he not get fired? 

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Kind of wonder now if the Jets will trade the #2 pick for a kings ransom, trade some veterans, roll with Darnold (and Gase?!) for another year, tank, and get their top QB the following year?

 

Guess there’d have to be a team out there that would give up a ton to move into #2..

 

Eh, this was their year to tank and get their QB.

 

They already have 2 1sts, and 5 picks in the first 3 rounds in 2021. As well as 2 1sts in 2022. So it's rebuild time now.

 

I do think they should decide to stick with Darnold and build around him. Maybe even trade down from #2 and really stack the deck.

 

2 minutes ago, Process said:

Have they already committed to Marrone beyond this year? How does he not get fired? 

 

Any such commitments arent really worth anything. But I could see them keeping him, given the number of spots that are open already and the lack of candidates to go around.

 

 

Edited December 21, 2020 by DrDawkinstein

[dma0034]

I kind of want to go back and read that one topic where a Jets fan was saying Darnold was better than Allen and that the Jets would win more games than the Bills since the Jets beat the Bills twice last year (except they didn't win against the starters and barely beat the back ups). Would be a great reread

[Just Joshin']

31 minutes ago, Process said:

I just realized the jags play the bears and colts to finish the season. 

 

This is definitely not over. The jags do have talent on offense, they are definitely capable of beating the bears. And rivers can blow a game with the best of them. They already beat him this year. 

 

I do think the Jets beat the Patriots though. We may need them too.

What are you talking about?  Need them why?