To be Blount the Bills Run Game has Beane in a Slump !

[FarrellsFinest]

I dont care about the run game. We are scoring points and moving the ball at will. Pass that thing all day!!!

[GunnerBill]

54 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

The major issue I have with this is that it's a terrible idea.

 

Yea, but other than that?

[TN Bills Fan]

I wonder how much the loss of Pat Demarco has impacted the run game.  

[teef]

24 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Im trying to understand why you make it sound like it’s a negative.

i just want you to stay on this earth with me.

[Dablitzkrieg]

The run game is fine.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

run game seems good to me. I like that coach benched moss for the fumble. to be blunt, they're going to be just fine.

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by A Firm Tree Does Not Fear

[Jauronimo]

He hasn't played in 2 years and the last time he did see the field he averaged 2.7 ypc and 26 yards per game.  Why not bring in Larry Czonka, he looked pretty good for his age toasting after the Stillers lost.

[Hebert19]

I honestly think if we need to run.   We will run.  

 

It's a gameplan thing.  When we commit to the run we run just fine but for the most part the run has been to keep defenses honest.  That's it.  

[JaCrispy]

I never really liked the pick of Moss because I felt we needed speed at the position...unfortunately, both our RB’s just seem to slow down our high octane offense imo...

[Rk_Bills86]

Our RB issue is we should be using them closer to how KC does it and less of how the Browns and Titans do. If Daboll stays for some reason, it would be the one thing I would hope he looked into. 

[John from Riverside]

Stick with what we have

[Big Turk]

Food for thought:

3 hours ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

 

Yeah but he has poor speed for the position. He's a great complementary piece but not THE guy.  To take our offense to the next level, we a primary back that can impact the game with only 10 carries, and be a threat to take it to the house every time they touch the ball and otherwise catch well.

 

We do?  The Chiefs don't have that. Edwards-Helaire ran a 4.61 40 time. Laveon Bell runs a 4.6. Singletary runs a 4.66, Moss a 4.52.  Chiefs have one of the best offenses of all time. Therefore we don't.  I would MUCH prefer a TE like Kelce.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

4 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

I think it’s pretty clear by now the skill set that Beane values from a RB, he seems to like guys who are elusive.
 

Across his final two seasons at FAU in 2017 and 2018, Singletary trailed only David Montgomery in broken tackles on the ground (179). As a rookie last season, he forced 42 missed tackles on just 181 touches, once again making him one of the most elusive backs among his peers. 

 

Broken tackle % (broken tackles)

Edwards-Helaire - 34% (73)

Zack Moss - 31.6% (74)

Ke'Shawn Vaughn - 29.8% (59)

Eno Benjamin - 26% (66)

Cam Akers - 26% (60)

J Taylor - 25.9% (83)

AJ Dillon - 24.5% (78)

J Dobbins - 22.9% (69)

D Swift - 20.9% (51)

Joshua Kelley - 13.5% (31)

 

There has to be something about the skill set that they believe is more valuable than speed itself. Maybe someone can come up with why they’d value broken tackles over speed? 

Jaret Patterson anyone? Curious to know what his broken tackle%,# is. I'd  use one of the 5th rd picks on him. His contact balance is amazing 

Edited December 9, 2020 by Solomon Grundy

[Don Otreply]

For gods sake people, WE ARE A PASS FIRST OFFENSE, We were a run first offense for those pathetic two decades of failure, why do fans want to go back to that losing methodology?  When we are on, we can beat any team as we are currently constructed.  The RBs need about a 20% increase in efficiency to be exactly what they need to be for this pass first offense. Please try to understand this. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[BananaB]

We don’t got a guy that puts any fear in opposing defences eyes. I’ve never been a big Yeldon fan but I think it’s funny he has our longest carry of the season with very little opportunities. 
 

I was high on Singletary coming into the season but right now I think we just need more then what he’s able to give us. Whoever said we have two guys the exact same on this form is bang on. Singletary is shifty and Moss is more of a pounder but the production is pretty identical. 

[JGMcD2]

48 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Jaret Patterson anyone? Curious to know what his broken tackle%,# is. I'd  use one of the 5th rd picks on him. His contact balance is amazing 

I heard rumblings he may be the 2nd or 3rd RB off the board with his historic performance this year? 
 

I like him tho

[Solomon Grundy]

17 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

I heard rumblings he may be the 2nd or 3rd RB off the board with his historic performance this year? 
 

I like him tho

Beane has to hit in this year's draft. There is one player in particular that will be there when the Bills pick in the 30s👀 that will be an immediate impact player. Nick Bolton is that guy!! CBS Sports finally got on board with me and has him mocked to the Bills. Him and Edmunds will be the best LB tandem in the league.

[freddyjj]

@T master I will personally pass on Mr Blount.  Why, let me count the ways:

[JGMcD2]

19 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Beane has to hit in this year's draft. There is one player in particular that will be there when the Bills pick in the 30s👀 that will be an immediate impact player. Nick Bolton is that guy!! CBS Sports finally got on board with me and has him mocked to the Bills. Him and Edmunds will be the best LB tandem in the league.

Have you seen Zaven Collins at all? Kid is a beast.

[Mr. WEO]

T Master always brings the gold....

[Bulldog]

5 hours ago, Kwai San said:

No old guys.....please no old washed up RB's.  Been there done that have a closet full of tee shirts.....ya want one?

 

No More Old FAT OUTA SHAPE RB's.....

 

Yes sir! the road to improving the RB position in the modern NFL is through young, fresh legs -- not old & burned out legs.

In addition - most of the young legs are also cheaper - possibly an increasingly significant issue given potential COVID-19 impacts on upcoming salary caps.  

[1ManRaid]

7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

He was on NFL Live or GMFB a few days ago and he's not 250...dude looks like he's up to about 290-300 now.

 

The Round Mound of Not First Down.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

He was on NFL Live or GMFB a few days ago and he's not 250...dude looks like he's up to about 290-300 now.

even more boom to bring! 

[Chandler#81]

To be Blount?😳 Mel Blount? I’d rather be Jack Lambert.

[billsbackto81]

7 hours ago, mushypeaches said:

Good grief - when will people recognize that the team, as currently constructed, is playing the way that modern NFL teams want to play?

 

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Not buying in to that at all. I will agree that spread high flying offenses seem to be the way game plans are set but having a competent run game is crucial. It doesn't have to be the focal point like Tennessee, Cleveland and Minnesota but it should be respected.  You shouldn't always have to line up in Shotgun formation on 3rd and 2. We are pathetic on short yard runs because this line as good as it is in pass pro can't push defenders off the ball. I've said it so many times. If we had a respected run game this Offense especially the way Josh is playing would be absolutely filthy and unstoppable.

[LABILLBACKER]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If the problem with the run game is the OL not being able to block for runs between the tackles and not coordinating with the WR/TE to block outside the tackles, bringing in 10 star running backs won't fix it.

 

League average this season is 116 rush YPG.  Bills have exceeded that in 3 games now, and been within 90% of average in 2 additional games.  So 7 games rush yards well below average.  Two of those games with below average rush yards, Seattle and SF, the game plan was clearly to "lay a load of Josh Allen on ya".  Two of those games with above average rush yards, the game plan was clearly to "run down your throat until you stop us"

 

I don't think it's the backs, entirely, or it would never work. 

Both Singletary & Moss have learning to do. First lesson is to Not fumble. Its literally the worst thing a RB can do. Moss almost had 2 against the niners and Devin's fumble v the Chargers. Neither of these guys are breaking any 60 yard runs. But considering they're identical in size and style you gotta get your 4 ypc any way you can. OL has to block better. It's not all on Devin or Zack. Gimme 50 from both of them and that's more than enough to set up the play action. 

[mushypeaches]

20 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Not buying in to that at all. I will agree that spread high flying offenses seem to be the way game plans are set but having a competent run game is crucial. It doesn't have to be the focal point like Tennessee, Cleveland and Minnesota but it should be respected.  You shouldn't always have to line up in Shotgun formation on 3rd and 2. We are pathetic on short yard runs because this line as good as it is in pass pro can't push defenders off the ball. I've said it so many times. If we had a respected run game this Offense especially the way Josh is playing would be absolutely filthy and unstoppable.

 

You usually can't have it both ways.  A lot of it has to do with the type of OL play that we have.  Currently, the guys we have are pretty good at pass protecting, which in this era, I value a lot more than a bunch of filthy Incognitos.  Again, we're trying to score 30+ points per game, not play Jauron-ball and win 17-16 but have a glorious edge in time of possession

 

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

I've been saying all along that we're going to look back at this season and wonder how far we might have gotten with LeGarrette Blount.  It has me VERY depressed.

[racketmaster]

I have not been that impressed by Moss this year but he is a rookie and maybe he gets better as time goes on. Singletary has been looking better as of late so that is a good sign. If there is one thing I’d like to add is a medium to bigger sized speed back that can be used as a change of pace. Just another back that has an extra gear after hitting the hole and may be able to get some more chunk plays out of the running game. However, we don’t have that player on the roster and have reserved that for a special teams rb. The back I’m talking about does not even have to be that special but a perfect fit for this regime might be a player like Cordarllle Patterson who can play special teams and fill in at rb spot. He is a threat to break a long run. Another player that would fit the bill was a special teamer and now full-time rb in Raheem Mostert. Maybe we could identify a player like that can help in running game and special teams. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I wonder if much of the Bills running issues are the result of lack of use.  When you know all week from practice and seeing what the game plan is, and you see you are likely very little part of it, how's that affect you?  Not that it's an excuse, but reality may be when they do call a running play, after starting a game with what was it against Seattle 19of the first 20 plays were passes, how ready are you really going to be?

[without a drought]

Blount and Karlos Williams would be a force in the backfield.

 

Eating up everything in their path.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

42 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Both Singletary & Moss have learning to do. First lesson is to Not fumble. Its literally the worst thing a RB can do. Moss almost had 2 against the niners and Devin's fumble v the Chargers.

 

No argument there

 

 

[Mat68]

8 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

I think it’s pretty clear by now the skill set that Beane values from a RB, he seems to like guys who are elusive.
 

Across his final two seasons at FAU in 2017 and 2018, Singletary trailed only David Montgomery in broken tackles on the ground (179). As a rookie last season, he forced 42 missed tackles on just 181 touches, once again making him one of the most elusive backs among his peers. 

 

Broken tackle % (broken tackles)

Edwards-Helaire - 34% (73)

Zack Moss - 31.6% (74)

Ke'Shawn Vaughn - 29.8% (59)

Eno Benjamin - 26% (66)

Cam Akers - 26% (60)

J Taylor - 25.9% (83)

AJ Dillon - 24.5% (78)

J Dobbins - 22.9% (69)

D Swift - 20.9% (51)

Joshua Kelley - 13.5% (31)

 

There has to be something about the skill set that they believe is more valuable than speed itself. Maybe someone can come up with why they’d value broken tackles over speed? 

Would you rather have Spiller or Jackson?  That is the job of the running back, dont get tackled.  Sure maybe you get that big run but god help you if you dont.  Ironically, thats PFFs primary running back stat, they say correlates the most to NFL success accross all rounds.  

[BillsDiehard]

Blount retired last week.