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10 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Belichick
Tomlin
Vrabel
Reid
Payton
Shanahan

 

These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform.

 

McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future.

 

And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all.

Bro, I'm not saying that McD is the best coach in the NFL but we have a really good head coach.

 

Vrabel and Shanahan haven't even won a SB yet. You have Reid on your list too. How long did it take him to win a SB?

 

Keep your head up, bro!

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11 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Belichick
Tomlin
Vrabel
Reid
Payton
Shanahan

 

These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform.

 

McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear...

 

 

What those other coaches have in common is they've done something of note in the playoffs...........4 of them have won SB's..........Shanahan advanced to one last season and Vrabel won playoff games against the defending champ and #1 seed in last year's playoffs.

 

Until McD actually does these things his legitimacy as one of the best will be suspect............people can be mad about it but that's how it goes............if you don't make a bunch of noise when it matters the league and it's observers don't hear you.

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12 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

The reason I say this about Vrabel is he clearly motivates that team to just come out and stomp people semi-regularly. They come up big in big games, and they just crush teams sometimes.

 

McDermott's Bills do not do this.

I hope you're right!

Semi regularly haha thats the mark of an elite coach right there.  Its honestly pretty amazing what McDermott has been able to do with the team and cap situation he inherited.  The dude completely turned the roster over.  Even Andy Reid who had much more head coaching experience didn't make it past the divisional round of the playoffs until his 5th season in KC

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

What those other coaches have in common is they've done something of note in the playoffs...........4 of them have won SB's..........Shanahan advanced to one last season and Vrabel won playoff games against the defending champ and #1 seed in last year's playoffs.

 

Until McD actually does these things his legitimacy as one of the best will be suspect............people can be mad about it but that's how it goes............if you don't make a bunch of noise when it matters the league and it's observers don't hear you.

I think the part of the op people are arguing is 'he won't ever be an elite coach' the jury is still very much out on that one but he is trending in that direction. He got a few coach of the year votes last season so obviously he's getting some national attention.  This season results wise could surpass last year against a much more difficult schedule 

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4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

What those other coaches have in common is they've done something of note in the playoffs...........4 of them have won SB's..........Shanahan advanced to one last season and Vrabel won playoff games against the defending champ and #1 seed in last year's playoffs.

 

Until McD actually does these things his legitimacy as one of the best will be suspect............people can be mad about it but that's how it goes............if you don't make a bunch of noise when it matters the league and it's observers don't hear you.

 

And that is for sure a fair question. Especially if they go 1 and done in the post-season again. But putting a below .500 career Head Coach and Mike Vrabel in a list of "elite coaches" come on now. 

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19 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Belichick
Tomlin
Vrabel
Reid
Payton
Shanahan

 

These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform.

 

No John Harbaugh?  Come on man, putting Vrabel and Shanahan on that list right now is sort of silly.  I didn’t read through this whole thread but in general the level of “concern” about McD is ridiculous.  Now 35-26 in the regular season and has started beating winning teams as well.  Yeah, yeah, he needs to do it in the playoffs but Bills fans are some of the silliest around.  Better yet, McD is the first person to admit he needs to continue to evolve.

 

I’ve taken a back seat and stayed out of this forum for the past couple of weeks and I’ll tell you, my level of enjoyment in watching the team has grown.  Last Sunday was a perfect stage for an upset.  What did the Bills do?  They shut down Herbert’s deep passing game, were more than competent against the run, and pretty much controlled the entire game but for a 7-play totally weird stretch in the 4th quarter.  They are one play from 9-2, they control their own destiny, and it looks like the D is coming back into form.

 

When we stop worrying about winning and start worrying about margin of victory we’ve lost our way.

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I think he is growing just like the team and is one of the most respected coaches in the NFL.

 

Notice how all those info leaks stopped as soon as this regime took over?

 

His players love him and so does the rest of his staff.

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10 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Maybe I was suicidal in other seasons 😀

 

You have been conditioned to accept losing. ;) 

 

It may take a while to truly enjoy being at the top of the league now since this team was at the bottom for so long ;) 

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20 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Belichick
Tomlin
Vrabel
Reid
Payton
Shanahan

 

These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform.

 

McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future.

 

And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all.

Horrible take. Like, godlike.

 

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I try to avoid non sense like this but I'm replying on this occasion because I have seen a few of these. People undersell how mammoth a task McD & Beane had when they entered in 2017.

 

When they took over the team:

-17 year playoff drought which had turned into a major weight in itself on the team

-roster that had major cap issues

-reputation nationally as a franchise that couldn't get it right and players avoided

-QB in Taylor who was a bridge QB with no actual franchise QB in the wings

 

Within four years they've done the following:

-ended playoff drought

-made playoffs in 2 of 3 years and most likely 3 of 4 years

-will probably win first division title in 25 years

-found and developed franchise QB

-have become a franchise players will go to. No way Diggs comes to Buffalo prior to McD, maybe year 1 of Rex but I still doubt it without overpaying him the way they did McCoy

-Reputation league wide is the Bills are a strong organization that teams should model rebuilding

 

What has been done in the last 4 years is beyond commendable at this point. If 4 years from now they lack playoff success etc... sure start to say McD can't get it done. But the Bills literally just opened their window for winning and McD is the big reason for that.

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21 minutes ago, corta765 said:

I try to avoid non sense like this but I'm replying on this occasion because I have seen a few of these. People undersell how mammoth a task McD & Beane had when they entered in 2017.

 

When they took over the team:

-17 year playoff drought which had turned into a major weight in itself on the team

-roster that had major cap issues

-reputation nationally as a franchise that couldn't get it right and players avoided

-QB in Taylor who was a bridge QB with no actual franchise QB in the wings

 

Within four years they've done the following:

-ended playoff drought

-made playoffs in 2 of 3 years and most likely 3 of 4 years

-will probably win first division title in 25 years

-found and developed franchise QB

-have become a franchise players will go to. No way Diggs comes to Buffalo prior to McD, maybe year 1 of Rex but I still doubt it without overpaying him the way they did McCoy

-Reputation league wide is the Bills are a strong organization that teams should model rebuilding

 

What has been done in the last 4 years is beyond commendable at this point. If 4 years from now they lack playoff success etc... sure start to say McD can't get it done. But the Bills literally just opened their window for winning and McD is the big reason for that.

it's amazing how some people don't want to give any credit to this.  is this a finished product completely?  i don't think so yet, but this team is in such a better place than it was before this staff took over.  there such a feel with some posters that if buffalo isn't the best team in the nfl this second, it's a complete failure.  

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39 minutes ago, nucci said:

if you're depressed about a first place 8-3 team, there is nothing I can say to help you

 

1984 and 1985 was depressing. I remember a good crowd (usually opening day) had 45,000 - 50,000. That was back when the capacity was 80,020. By the end of the year they had a Sabres like crowd at Rich Stadium. The people who are complaining about 8-3 and a 1st place team well I hope they weren't around back in 84-85 for their sakes.

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19 minutes ago, teef said:

it's amazing how some people don't want to give any credit to this.  is this a finished product completely?  i don't think so yet, but this team is in such a better place than it was before this staff took over.  there such a feel with some posters that if buffalo isn't the best team in the nfl this second, it's a complete failure.  

 

The problem is people look at KC with Mahomes which was instant success or Payton in NOLA or even BB in NE. What they fail to recognize is Mahomes walked into a winning team with an amazing HC whose offensive mind is perhaps the best in the sport, Payton in NOLA got gifted Brees for free and their roster had talent, and BB got Brady and that was that (plus Pats had been relatively successful for years by that point). If the Detroit Lions did the exact same thing people would be worshipping their coach. That is how bad things were in Buffalo and irrelevant the team had become which people have now forgot. Like you said it isn't a finished product but in a sense thats the best part knowing the best is still to come.

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23 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

1984 and 1985 was depressing. I remember a good crowd (usually opening day) had 45,000 - 50,000. That was back when the capacity was 80,020. By the end of the year they had a Sabres like crowd at Rich Stadium. The people who are complaining about 8-3 and a 1st place team well I hope they weren't around back in 84-85 for their sakes.

I didn't miss a game those years...19K for last home game

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You're not good enough until you are. Right? I mean I'm hard on Josh Allen and somewhat McDermott for clock management but these guys are both heading towards being greats in their field. Fans need to understand though that many times before players and coaches look like they're going to be great early on and then fall back. 

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2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I run hot and cold on Coach McD....but didn’t he actually win a challenge on Sunday? There’s some real progress right there! 

Yeah me too, I'm hot and cold on him.

 

That said, I like alot of his non gameday stuff but to me, some, not all but some of his gameday x's and o's and other decisions (take foot off gas) leave me scratching my head and hopeful he will learn and get better at that. 

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10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

What those other coaches have in common is they've done something of note in the playoffs...........4 of them have won SB's..........Shanahan advanced to one last season and Vrabel won playoff games against the defending champ and #1 seed in last year's playoffs.

 

Until McD actually does these things his legitimacy as one of the best will be suspect............people can be mad about it but that's how it goes............if you don't make a bunch of noise when it matters the league and it's observers don't hear you.

So by that logic Rex Ryan was one of the best coaches in the league when the Jets went to 2 straight AFC Championship games and beat Belicheat in the playoffs. Can we please wait before we crown some of these guys.

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After the trade for Diggs and seeing Allen's improvement this season there's no way I'd accept a playoff appearance.  And I don't think anyone at OBD would be satisfied with that either.  Nor is winning the division without at least 1 playoff win exceeding expectations.

 

OP said he's concerned about McD because after 60 games as Buffalo's HC he's seen some trends.  For me, the game-plan against KC at home 6 weeks ago was indicative of who McD is.  It was weak, unimaginative and no one with a pulse believes you can win in the playoffs that way against an elite offense.

 

If you assume Miami, LA Rams, Tennessee, KC, and Seattle make the playoffs, McD will be 6-19 career against teams in the playoffs or who later made the post-season.  By contrast, he's 27-9 against non-playoff teams. 

 

The AFC is going to feature some excellent QB's in the next few years.  There's Burrow, Mayfield, Watson, Mahomes, and perhaps Herbert.  You can't pack it in against elite offenses and come out conservative like they did against KC.   

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7 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

After the trade for Diggs and seeing Allen's improvement this season there's no way I'd accept a playoff appearance.  And I don't think anyone at OBD would be satisfied with that either.  Nor is winning the division without at least 1 playoff win exceeding expectations.

 

OP said he's concerned about McD because after 60 games as Buffalo's HC he's seen some trends.  For me, the game-plan against KC at home 6 weeks ago was indicative of who McD is.  It was weak, unimaginative and no one with a pulse believes you can win in the playoffs that way against an elite offense.

 

If you assume Miami, LA Rams, Tennessee, KC, and Seattle make the playoffs, McD will be 6-19 career against teams in the playoffs or who later made the post-season.  By contrast, he's 27-9 against non-playoff teams. 

 

The AFC is going to feature some excellent QB's in the next few years.  There's Burrow, Mayfield, Watson, Mahomes, and perhaps Herbert.  You can't pack it in against elite offenses and come out conservative like they did against KC.   

 

I disagree on the KC defensive gameplan. It was hard to watch but I don't think it was unimaginative at all. It was going against the prevailing wisdom that against those teams you have to try and control the ball, run clock and keep them on the sideline. It was let them restrict their scoring by making them run the clock themselves and keep their score down. And it nearly worked. If our O could have just played a little bit better or if the D could have made a couple of plays it just missed on the near turnover and the long 3rd down where Mahomes just escaped and found Pringle.

 

I get it most fans hate conservative. I don't. There is no single way to win in the NFL and I didn't mind that plan albeit I completely accept it was hard to watch.

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4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I disagree on the KC defensive gameplan. It was hard to watch but I don't think it was unimaginative at all. It was going against the prevailing wisdom that against those teams you have to try and control the ball, run clock and keep them on the sideline. It was let them restrict their scoring by making them run the clock themselves and keep their score down. And it nearly worked. If our O could have just played a little bit better or if the D could have made a couple of plays it just missed on the near turnover and the long 3rd down where Mahomes just escaped and found Pringle.

 

I get it most fans hate conservative. I don't. There is no single way to win in the NFL and I didn't mind that plan albeit I completely accept it was hard to watch.

this seem to be lost a lot on this board.  

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Just now, teef said:

this seem to be lost a lot on this board.  

 

Agree a lot of people have their stylistic preferences about how to win. I have mine too. I am not a big fan of blitz heavy defenses for example. But people are successful doing it ways other than the way I'd do it and I respect that. I don't pretend you have to be playing my preferred way to win. 

 

The one thing that is a constant is you need a Quarterback. Ideally an elite one but at least a very good one. After that.... you need to have 4 or 5 elite players. Where they play on the field or what scheme you play or whether you are offense led or defense led.... none of that is fixed. 

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22 hours ago, BillsFanSD said:

Tomlin, Vrabel, Payton, and Shanahan have two SB wins between the four of them.  Not sure why you're putting those guys in the same category as Belichick and Reid, and I'm also not sure why you think McD is somehow on a lower rung than them.

I mean, Tomlin is like the platonic form of "good but not great."

Andy Reid won his first Super Bowl title and was largely thought of as a “good playoff coach” that couldn’t win in the post-season for over a decade.  Everything changed once he found a QB.  

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I can agree that currently has established himself as a good coach, and has yet to establish himself as a great coach.  But to make that determination now seems incomplete, unless of course, you’re already penciling him the Bills to lose in the Wildcard round....I’m not.

 

So far, McDermott has a 2 game sample size of post season games.

 

The Bills 2017 team were a group of overachievers.  They probably were not among the best 6 teams in the AFC but despite this they won enough games to get in the playoffs - something no Bills coach had done in 2 decades.  
 

They lost 10-3 to Jacksonville largely because Tyrod Taylor (with a very poor receiving core) struggled to move the ball against a good Jacksonville defense.  McDermott’s defense held Jacksonville to their lowest postseason point total.  If you remember they scored 45 versus the vaunted Steeler defense the next week.  They lost because of offense - not coaching and he acted accordingly.  I think it’s tough to fault him for losing with this team.

 

You can argue that 2019 is a little different.  There were moments when his defense let down the team.  People love to blame McDermott, Frazier or Daboll because it’s easy.  I think the bigger reason they lost was because of Josh Allen.  He completely unraveled and was just (if not more) culpable in blowing the lead, than the defense was.  To his credit his scratched and clawed his way into overtime.  In the end Houston won, because they had the better QB....at least on that day.  If you want to fault McDermott for losing this game, against a team that the Bills were evenly matched against, I feel it’s a little more fair.  
 

So I’m not sure if McDermott should be viewed in the same Andy Reid or Marvin Lewis were after 1 postseason loss

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21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I disagree on the KC defensive gameplan. It was hard to watch but I don't think it was unimaginative at all. It was going against the prevailing wisdom that against those teams you have to try and control the ball, run clock and keep them on the sideline. It was let them restrict their scoring by making them run the clock themselves and keep their score down. And it nearly worked. If our O could have just played a little bit better or if the D could have made a couple of plays it just missed on the near turnover and the long 3rd down where Mahomes just escaped and found Pringle.

 

I get it most fans hate conservative. I don't. There is no single way to win in the NFL and I didn't mind that plan albeit I completely accept it was hard to watch.

 

I'm going to ah, go ahead and disagree (in Bill Lumbergh voice).

 

KC defeated SF's excellent defense in the SB and scored 21 points in the 4th quarter to do so.  They racked up 117 points in 3 playoff games last year against 3 very good or better teams. 

 

You don't out-defense elite offenses in the modern NFL many game.  Defense now is about impact plays like sacks and turnovers.  Teams like KC are going to score and  the only way to stop them is have more possessions. 

 

Going conservative just means you reduce the score in games you'll lose.  And that's what McD did on 10/19.  

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4 minutes ago, Helpmenow said:

Is McDermott like former bill head coach Chuck Knox. He gets you so far then that’s it.

 

Looking back at 1980, I think if Ferguson isn't playing on basically one leg the Bills beat the Chargers. They probably beat the Raiders in AFC championship game at home and go on to the Super Bowl to play the Eagles. Knox was a good coach and he also like McDermott turned the culture around for the Bills.

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5 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

I'm going to ah, go ahead and disagree (in Bill Lumbergh voice).

 

KC defeated SF's excellent defense in the SB and scored 21 points in the 4th quarter to do so.  They racked up 117 points in 3 playoff games last year against 3 very good or better teams. 

 

You don't out-defense elite offenses in the modern NFL many game.  Defense now is about impact plays like sacks and turnovers.  Teams like KC are going to score and  the only way to stop them is have more possessions. 

 

Going conservative just means you reduce the score in games you'll lose.  And that's what McD did on 10/19.  

 

There you go see saying there is one way to play defense. It isn't true. There is no single way to win in the NFL. I agree you have to outscore KC. And I don't think the Bills offensive plan that night was good enough... but had it been the defensive plan was certainly giving them a chance. And I don't expect it is the way McDermott ideally would have wanted to play that game either. But he was looking at the pieces he had to match up. He had problems up front on the defensive line, was missing corners and was banged up at linebacker. You might not have liked the plan. That is personal preference. That's fine. I don't accept it was a plan that can simply never succeed. Again most fans hate conservative..... but that doesn't mean it is always the wrong play.

 

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1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

 

I'm going to ah, go ahead and disagree (in Bill Lumbergh voice).

 

KC defeated SF's excellent defense in the SB and scored 21 points in the 4th quarter to do so.  They racked up 117 points in 3 playoff games last year against 3 very good or better teams. 

 

You don't out-defense elite offenses in the modern NFL many game.  Defense now is about impact plays like sacks and turnovers.  Teams like KC are going to score and  the only way to stop them is have more possessions. 

 

Going conservative just means you reduce the score in games you'll lose.  And that's what McD did on 10/19.  

I think this is wrong.   After their first quarter explosion against the Bucs, the Chiefs had a lot of trouble moving the ball and scoring.  They had three punts in the second half, including two three and outs.  

 

The average point total for the Super Bowl winner is under 29 points.   Only three winners went over 40.  That's not a point explosion.  

 

And you're wrong about the effect of going conservative.  When you go conservative, ball control, run the clock, yes, you reduce the score.  But reducing the score has one very important effect, which is that it also reduces the size of the lead in the fourth quarter.   If you outscore me 4 to 3, late in a high-scoring game I'm down 40-30.   In a low-scoring game I'm down 20-15.   Keeping the score low is a time-honored way to stay in games, and being in the game at the end is what coaches want.  

 

 

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7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And that is for sure a fair question. Especially if they go 1 and done in the post-season again. But putting a below .500 career Head Coach and Mike Vrabel in a list of "elite coaches" come on now. 

 

 

I don't think Vrabel is a great coach..........but he does an extraordinary job of getting his players to assume his personality/mindset.    So in big games they are galvanized and a united front.   It's something Belichick is GREAT at.  

 

There can't be many better coaches in the NFL from Monday thru Saturday than McD............but try as he might the team is always pulling against his leash.

 

I mean..........in that Chargers game in the 4th quarter it felt like they were the anti-McD's.........and McD was watching from afar without much he could do to stop it.

 

I think the only way to correct that is for him to win some playoff games and garner that last level of trust from the players.

 

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23 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Belichick
Tomlin
Vrabel
Reid
Payton
Shanahan

 

These are the best coaches in the NFL... They either have next-level smarts or an elite ability to motivate players to perform.

 

McDermott is a solid playoff coach, but not a championship coach, I fear... So Bills fans are like, "We're 8-3! Enjoy it!" But I see a frustrating period of good-but-not-good-enough on the horizon for the foreseeable future.

 

And that's depressing. I am absolutely not of the "Hey, it's Buffalo; at least we're winning" type of mentality. It's championships or nothing. That is the life goal. And with McDermott signing a long-term contract, I almost feel as hopeless as I would if we sucked. If we sucked, at least there would be hope of striking coaching gold on an imminent hire. In this case, though, I feel like we'll just be a solid playoff team for the next many years, but not elite enough to win it all.

 

Guys grow into jobs.  Let's remember...

 

McD inherited a crappy Rex Ryan team that Beane dismantled as fast as he could when he came onboard.  Still, McD has gone to the playoffs in 2 of 3 years.  

 

Belichick, arguably the best coach in NFL history, didn't make it to the playoffs even once his first three years as a head coach.  McD is off to a better start.  

 

Tomlin inherited a good roster with a strong Bill Cowher culture and a great scouting staff - and kept the machine rolling.

 

Vrabel inherited a 9-7 Mularkey coached teams and brilliantly transformed it into a 9-7 (2018, 2019) Vrable coached team.  He's made the playoffs 1 in his first 2 years as a HC.

 

Reid is one of the very best coaches in the NFL and admittedly McD hasn't yet earned the right to be considered in his class.   

 

Payton only made the playoffs once in his first three years.  And with Payton comes the argument: do QBs make HCs look good or do HCs make QBs look good.  Brees is one of the best QBs ever.  

 

Shanahan made the playoffs once in his first three years.  Incidentally, I can remember when Bills fans didn't want Kyle anywhere on our coaching staff.  

 

McD is doing fine.  Hopefully, like Belichick and many others, he continues to get better as he gains more experience.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

Andy Reid won his first Super Bowl title and was largely thought of as a “good playoff coach” that couldn’t win in the post-season for over a decade.  Everything changed once he found a QB.  

Reid , Belicheat, Payton, Carroll, Tomlin and the list goes on all have one thing in common. Franchise QB's

 

It took Buffalo almost 2 decades to draft a franchise QB in combination with a top notch HC with a GM on the same page and OP's depressed?

  

The Buffalo Bills are uplifting to me...

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1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

After the trade for Diggs and seeing Allen's improvement this season there's no way I'd accept a playoff appearance.  And I don't think anyone at OBD would be satisfied with that either.  Nor is winning the division without at least 1 playoff win exceeding expectations.

 

OP said he's concerned about McD because after 60 games as Buffalo's HC he's seen some trends.  For me, the game-plan against KC at home 6 weeks ago was indicative of who McD is.  It was weak, unimaginative and no one with a pulse believes you can win in the playoffs that way against an elite offense.

 

If you assume Miami, LA Rams, Tennessee, KC, and Seattle make the playoffs, McD will be 6-19 career against teams in the playoffs or who later made the post-season.  By contrast, he's 27-9 against non-playoff teams. 

 

The AFC is going to feature some excellent QB's in the next few years.  There's Burrow, Mayfield, Watson, Mahomes, and perhaps Herbert.  You can't pack it in against elite offenses and come out conservative like they did against KC.   

If the defense makes a play thats a toss up.  If Bass played more consistent thats a toss up game.  If you keep KC in the 20s thats a game you want.  That was a bold strategy, 9 times out of 10 Ried doesnt stay with the run..  He did.  1 possession game when Allen was a little off was actually a good gameplan.  

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On 11/30/2020 at 11:25 AM, BillsFanSD said:

Tomlin, Vrabel, Payton, and Shanahan have two SB wins between the four of them.  Not sure why you're putting those guys in the same category as Belichick and Reid, and I'm also not sure why you think McD is somehow on a lower rung than them.

I mean, Tomlin is like the platonic form of "good but not great."

And Reid has 1 not sure why you are putting him with BB

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18 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

If the defense makes a play thats a toss up.  If Bass played more consistent thats a toss up game.  If you keep KC in the 20s thats a game you want.  That was a bold strategy, 9 times out of 10 Ried doesnt stay with the run..  He did.  1 possession game when Allen was a little off was actually a good gameplan.  

 

It doesn't lend credence to your argument employing the word "if" to so many conditions. 

 

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