unclepete Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 He shoulders a bit if the blame but also got us the lead early and late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3-4 penalties in a row didn’t help either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: I mean sure but he brought us right back at the end. I'd argue that Bojo's garbage punt did more damage. Books punt was awful as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, DCofNC said: The untimely and ultimately, bad throws/decisions gave Arizona the momentum and lead. Yes he made a comeback, and one helluva throw to Diggs, but, that should have been gravy, not go ahead. Josh had a bad game today, made some really stupid throws and could easily have had 4 picks had Peterson come up with the ball he usually does on the first one in his arms and the absolute bone head throw away to the middle of the field Singletary bailed him out on. This was the “ bad Josh” we can’t have. He was great on the last drive and the D should not have given up that TD, but they should not have been in that position. Okay, I'll be honest. You are terribly wrong. Because he didn't throw for 400 yards and win by multiple scores, Allen is the problem. Allen, like all players, have bad plays and bad moments. In the end, Allen figured it out and walked off the field winning. 34 seconds left and up by 4, you are supposed to win that game. Terrible take 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful Dodger Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, DCofNC said: The untimely and ultimately, bad throws/decisions gave Arizona the momentum and lead. Yes he made a comeback, and one helluva throw to Diggs, but, that should have been gravy, not go ahead. Josh had a bad game today, made some really stupid throws and could easily have had 4 picks had Peterson come up with the ball he usually does on the first one in his arms and the absolute bone head throw away to the middle of the field Singletary bailed him out on. This was the “ bad Josh” we can’t have. He was great on the last drive and the D should not have given up that TD, but they should not have been in that position. Allen did not have a good game, and the Bills still would have won against a very good Cardinals team except for a freak play at the end. He did what he had to do to get the team the win. It's not on him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, Buffalo Junction said: 3-4 penalties in a row didn’t help either Yeah those were ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, matter2003 said: Yeah those were ridiculous. Asinine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, High Football IQ said: While this is true Allen is still wildly inconsistent from week to week and this game should have never come down to the Bills needing to win late in the 4th quarter and/or letting the cards score on a hail mary. While most knew assumed Allen wasn't going to pass for 400+ yards again this week, it was somewhat of a letdown game until the final drive and he's fortunate not to have a 4 INT game. What's ultimately going to hurt Allen and be this team's downfall is their inability to run the football and putting everything on Allen's shoulders week after week. Hard to expect your qb to be perfect each week 31 yards rushing on 11 carries from our rbs yet again Expect teams to just start standing up to rush Josh every snap Why even play the run ? All that said he delivered a td drive to go ahead with 34 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DollaBills Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) John Allen has mother f***cking ice in his veins. I see a man that wants to be the best player of all the 22 player on the field. I see an NFL Neo(matrix) that puts his hands up and says "no" to the media hailfire week in and week out. I see --- ICE. MAN. ALLEN. 4th Quarter with 17 in the game? Nervous from decades of PTSD Bills fandom? CHILL. OUT. Edited November 16, 2020 by DollaBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I mean Allen and offense putting up over 30 pts a game, but yet our “top 3 defense” form last year is also allowing over 30 pts a game... don’t you think maybe Allen could be even better if we actually had a run game to help balance?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I am not putting the blame on anybody it was a great game we lost on a fluke play will only make this team harder to beat down the road. Go Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Can we implement a rule of no new threads until a few hours after the games are over? How about simply not participating in those you disagree with? Too easy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 This game was eerily similar to the Texans playoff game. Defense gets a large part of the blame .......knock down the Hail Mary instead of 3 defenders going for the interception. Offense still scored 30 points........defense couldn’t hold to 29?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 56 minutes ago, Irish Dave said: Defense absolutely ***** the bed We're giving up 30 points per week. Guaranteed rest of the year. And Clappy is helpless to do anything. And yes Josh sucked today making tons of mistakes. We need 2 weeks off to heal and reset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: They scored 30 points and gave the defense a 4-point lead with 45 seconds left. Sorry I can't agree with you on this one. Jackson recovered the fumble to setup the touchdown to make 23 - 9. Offense basically did nothing until final drive. Bills offense had 178 yards in 2nd half. 78 came on their last drive. They let Arizona hang around. Knox had a killer penalty along with some dubious play calling to boot. For all the talk last week about Bills needing to score a bunch against Seattle, they needed the same against Arizona. I believe Arizona has scored 30 + points in 5 straight games now. Edited November 16, 2020 by DCbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 He was letting the DBs bait him into poor throws. But he made winning plays when it mattered the most. If he'd played better it wouldn't have come down to a hail mary but you still have to feel bad for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Hot trash Blaming Knox or Tre might be more apropos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, DuckyBoys said: nah dont let him even get the pass off That was a plain awful way to lose Credit to Josh and Diggs for getting the goo ahead score only to lose to a jump ball ^ this. The book on Murray is that he is less effective when pressured so giving him all day to throw was not a good defensive call. That said, knock the damn ball down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Irish Dave said: I mean how the ***** can you let a team drive the whole field in 34 seconds. Don't you practice that???? Ask the wft. 16 seconds for lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: They scored 30 points and gave the defense a 4-point lead with 45 seconds left. 34 seconds Edited November 16, 2020 by Bronxbomber21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Okay, I'll be honest. You are terribly wrong. Because he didn't throw for 400 yards and win by multiple scores, Allen is the problem. Allen, like all players, have bad plays and bad moments. In the end, Allen figured it out and walked off the field winning. 34 seconds left and up by 4, you are supposed to win that game. Terrible take Disagree. Allen is awesome. Elite player. But today was not a good day. He should have thrown 4 easy picks. Peterson dropped two. And that throw to singletary was ridiculous. He looked lost for much of the second half. He still picked himself up from the mat and had a great final drive (with some help from beasley). But it was not his finest effort. Edited November 16, 2020 by dave mcbride 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, DuckyBoys said: Hard to expect your qb to be perfect each week 31 yards rushing on 11 carries from our rbs yet again Expect teams to just start standing up to rush Josh every snap Why even play the run ? All that said he delivered a td drive to go ahead with 34 seconds So that excuses throwing the ball straight to the defender 3 times and hurling a ball to the middle of the field with one eligible receiver and 3 defensive players around him on the way to the ground? Sorry, no. His decision making sucked today and I’m not excusing it. The game plan put the game in his hands and he couldn’t make the right decisions. He had a great last drive, he left with the lead, but he ultimately was the reason the game was close enough to be in that position. I believe Allen is the future and the present, but he was not great today. 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Okay, I'll be honest. You are terribly wrong. Because he didn't throw for 400 yards and win by multiple scores, Allen is the problem. Allen, like all players, have bad plays and bad moments. In the end, Allen figured it out and walked off the field winning. 34 seconds left and up by 4, you are supposed to win that game. Terrible take The great thing about America is you are entitled to your opinion and you have the right to be wrong. Allen had a bad day. He threw the ball right into the arms of the D 3 times today, 2 times they caught it. He also threw an absolutely horrible ball to the middle of the field, with 1 eligible receiver and 3 defenders on his way to the ground, Singletary bailed him out, but another bad play. He was not on, he did manage to have a great final drive. Fact is, had he not made so many mistakes, there would not have been a need for a come back, not the opportunity for Murray to make the throw he did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, DCofNC said: So that excuses throwing the ball straight to the defender 3 times and hurling a ball to the middle of the field with one eligible receiver and 3 defensive players around him on the way to the ground? Sorry, no. His decision making sucked today and I’m not excusing it. The game plan put the game in his hands and he couldn’t make the right decisions. He had a great last drive, he left with the lead, but he ultimately was the reason the game was close enough to be in that position. I believe Allen is the future and the present, but he was not great today. The great thing about America is you are entitled to your opinion and you have the right to be wrong. Allen had a bad day. He threw the ball right into the arms of the D 3 times today, 2 times they caught it. He also threw an absolutely horrible ball to the middle of the field, with 1 eligible receiver and 3 defenders on his way to the ground, Singletary bailed him out, but another bad play. He was not on, he did manage to have a great final drive. Fact is, had he not made so many mistakes, there would not have been a need for a come back, not the opportunity for Murray to make the throw he did. 4 times, not 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Allen plays better it’s a two possession game instead of us up 30-26. Allen simply can’t throw 2 bad picks per game. Time to step up Josh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: We are going nowhere with Leslie Frazier. This whole defense is so incredibly off this year. Players injured or opting out. Replacement players not stepping up. Old reliable players no so reliable anymore. We're giving up nearly 30 points every week. I've never liked Leslie but I think Clappy calls most of the shots and Murray made us look foolish today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: 4 times, not 3. My bad 17 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: This whole defense is so incredibly off this year. Players injured or opting out. Replacement players not stepping up. Old reliable players no so reliable anymore. We're giving up nearly 30 points every week. I've never liked Leslie but I think Clappy calls most of the shots and Murray made us look foolish today. Example, all out blitz on 3rd down, zero pressure on 4th at the same distance, dafuq? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, VW82 said: It's games like this that make it more apparent Josh is the guy. He wasn't at his best and made crucial mistakes in the 2nd half, and yet he still brought us back on the road for what should've been the win. It was Russell Wilson-esk. Kyler Murray was just a bit better. Kinda like in the Texan playoff game to tie it at the end... 22 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: This whole defense is so incredibly off this year. Players injured or opting out. Replacement players not stepping up. Old reliable players no so reliable anymore. We're giving up nearly 30 points every week. I've never liked Leslie but I think Clappy calls most of the shots and Murray made us look foolish today. Really? Cause I think Dane Jackson should be the permanent starter across from White. Every time I see that dude he is making a play. Or does an INT, fumble recovery and a pass breakup in the endzone on Hopkins not count as stepping up in the 2.5 games he has been in there? Edited November 16, 2020 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Josh is having a great season, but he’s just not the type of player who you can put the ball in his hands 57 times and expect a clean game. That’s just not who he is as a player. If you’re going to ride him, you have to take the bad with the good. He may learn how to be a game manager some day, but he’s a gunslinger today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Thought it was Josh's worst game of the season. But what should have been the game winning drive was absolute money. Agreed. Either this game or the KC game was probably his worst of the season. And even with that being the case he still had a 70 QBR in this one. That's pretty freaking good. Murray had a 60 QBR for comparison. The thing that is great is i was pretty confident we would score a TD as we were driving. Getting in FG range is automatic with Allen leading the way. The sad thing was I had never felt so worried about an upcoming a hail mary in all my year of watching the Bills. And that worry proved justified. Crazy feeling and result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 hours ago, VW82 said: Kyler Murray was just a bit luckier. Fixed it for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Allen plays better it’s a two possession game instead of us up 30-26. Allen simply can’t throw 2 bad picks per game. Time to step up Josh. Technically this was the first game all year he threw two Int's. Nobody puts the first pick in the Titans game on Allen. Not exactly reasonable to assume every game we win we will have more than a one score lead in the final minutes. But we have had more than a one score lead in the final minutes in four out of our seven wins this year so that's not bad. New York Jets, Dolphins, Raiders and Seahawks. But some games will be close it's just the way it goes. 1 minute ago, BillsFan692 said: Fixed it for you. True. He technically wasn't better at all. Allen 70 QBR Murray 60 QBR. Murray's passer rating was 10 points better but that's entirely due to the final play of the game which was pure luck on Murray's part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Irish Dave said: I mean how the ***** can you let a team drive the whole field in 34 seconds. Don't you practice that???? I keep going back and forth from this to "it's only week 10 and we're in first place better to lose like that now." I have no in between. This hurt. It hurt because being 8-2 pretty much locks us in. Now it will be a dogfight. Hopefully that prepares this team for a playoff gauntlet that's going to be ridiculous. Could end up playing Ravens Chiefs Steelers. The AFC is going to be significantly tougher then the NFC for quite some time. And Lawrence (Jets) and Fields (Jags) will be coming next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 He was being way too greedy today. Choosing to go to more vertical routes that were covered instead of going to more open guys underneath. still made enough plays to win. This one hurts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 If the Bills want Josh Allen to ascend to Patrick Mahomes level, get him a TE!! All of the great QBs through history of the league had an adequate TE, a safety valve. An attempt at a running game wouldn't hurt either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 11 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Allen did enough to have a 12th game winning drive. Major props to Diggs, Beasley and Bass. But DeAndre Hopkins is a stud - what can you do? strangely enough i am not too riled up about the loss. You should also add in the INT's with Josh Allen 32/49 65.35% 77.3 Rating 284 yards 2 TDs 1 Receiving TD. Allen did enough, but he came close to having 4 INT's. Just saying. He led the Bills on a go ahead drive but the Bills let too much time on the clock. Why McD called the TO is??? Time was on the Bills side. Stopping the clock let the Cards plan up for the final push. Mail Mary included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 11 hours ago, cDAVIS said: I'm riled up. Did you see how we lost the game? Our 3 best defenders couldn't stop the catch. That was embarrassing I don't know how a Bills fan can watch that and not be riled up. What a joke. Because one of the best receivers in the game just made a miracle of a play. Nothing that any of those 3 defenders really did wrong. Hopkins just got higher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, CLTbills said: Because one of the best receivers in the game just made a miracle of a play. Nothing that any of those 3 defenders really did wrong. Hopkins just got higher. Someone inspect those gloves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: You should also add in the INT's with Josh Allen 32/49 65.35% 77.3 Rating 284 yards 2 TDs 1 Receiving TD. Allen did enough, but he came close to having 4 INT's. Just saying. He led the Bills on a go ahead drive but the Bills let too much time on the clock. Why McD called the TO is??? Time was on the Bills side. Stopping the clock let the Cards plan up for the final push. Mail Mary included. I'd have to go back and watch it again, but I don't believe the clock was running when McD called that timeout. Now, did it give the Cards time to draw up a play? Maybe. But I don't believe it afforded them any extra time on the clock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Do The Reich Thing said: Josh was really bad in the second half with exception of the TD drive and even on that he was bailed out by Beasley or that never happens. With that said, it doesn’t all fall on him but he was a big factor in the loss today Josh was so bad that he over came penalties galore, a terrible run game that Daboll kept calling putting them behind the sticks, and a dropped perfect setup to Singletary and threw what should have been the game winner. Edited November 16, 2020 by Scott7975 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I would probably agree that this was his worst game of the year, given there were no weather conditions or crazy circumstances, however... if this is his worst game of the season, dude is a stud. Still put up solid numbers, 30+ points and should have had the game winning drive, with an OL that’s injuries finally started to show and zero running game to play off of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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