jletha Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I think its a universal feeling that Daboll has done a fantastic job building this offense and this year is his masterpiece with Josh's development and the added pieces in Diggs & Davis. Its also pretty likely that he will get attention for Head coaching after this season assuming this offense keeps playing well. With that, is there a world where we watch Daboll leave and become known as one of the offensive guru coaches a la McVay and Shanahan and we struggle to replace him? If you speak to Falcons fans Id bet they regret letting that guy leave and keeping Quinn. Obviously its an impossible situation for an organization. You cant fire your HC after making the SB just to promote your OC but you also cant keep your OC if there are HC aspirations. Im just so satisfied with Daboll at this point, I heard this scenario mentioned on WGR briefly and have been fear stricken since. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) No. Look at all the HOF franchise quarterbacks. They all had multiple offensive coordinators. This team was on an upward trend carried by the leadership and the defense of McDermott. Daboll is doing a great job and I'd hate to lose him, but I don't think it's the death of the Josh Allen Buffalo Bills. Edited October 5, 2020 by TheBrownBear 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 A good point Sal made this morning, assuming Daboll does leave after this year: the top Coordinator candidates to replace him will all WANT to come to Buffalo. So if we don't simply promote from within with Dorsey, we'll be in a good position to go get whoever we want for OC. That is a big change from as recent as 2017, when McD had to hire his 3rd choice for OC and waste a year with Dennison. I'm hoping Daboll sees staying with the Bills another year and making a real Super Bowl run, and the clout that would give him, as an opportunity to land a HC job with a good franchise and not just run off to the Jets since they are the first to offer. I could see him land in Atlanta as well. I wouldnt feel as bad if he left next year for the Falcons. At least he's out of the Division and Conference. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Courage @jletha , the same way a muskrat guards it's musk. There is no reason to worry about something until there is something to worry about. Enjoy the ride. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I agree with ColoradoBills. Enjoy the moment, relish the moment. Hell put some ketchup and mustard on the moment. LIVE in the moment. For now - All is Good. Go BILLS! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Well hes not gonna go to the jets so there is that. Best spot is Houston. Time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) We have a choice of two problems: 1. Our OC leads an explosive offense, earns a promotion to head coach somewhere else and leaves us in need of a replacement. 2. Our OC leads an ineffective offense and stays too long before getting fired. Sign me up for problem #1. Edited October 5, 2020 by Forward Progress 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 All these speculative threads are kind of annoying. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: A good point Sal made this morning, assuming Daboll does leave after this year: the top Coordinator candidates to replace him will all WANT to come to Buffalo. So if we don't simply promote from within with Dorsey, we'll be in a good position to go get whoever we want for OC. That is a big change from as recent as 2017, when McD had to hire his 3rd choice for OC and waste a year with Dennison. I'm hoping Daboll sees staying with the Bills another year and making a real Super Bowl run, and the clout that would give him, as an opportunity to land a HC job with a good franchise and not just run off to the Jets since they are the first to offer. I could see him land in Atlanta as well. I wouldnt feel as bad if he left next year for the Falcons. At least he's out of the Division and Conference. I’m just going to say it....Freddie Kitchens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Dawkins, I listened to the point after as well for part when not in meetings, and he’s right. It says Buffalo is a desirable place to go, and if we really have good Coordinators, they eventually will be poached. I’ve lost a couple of my best reps when managing them medical device sales, but I loved it as they were filling my role in other cities. Part of being a good leader, ie. McBeane is developing the talent under you and enjoying their success. If you have confidence in what you’ve built, and you’re ability to hire well, it’s expected you will lose you’re best players. I know my small example is just sales, but it’s perpetual competition and coaching to you’re people. I am 100% confident in the leadership of this organization and now ownership as they had their one mulligan with Wrex, to bring in other top talent. Since the defense has regressed a little this small part of the season, there may be questions, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Frazier gets interviews. He should get them based on merit, but the Rooney rule of which I agree 100% does help open some doors. Not getting a job, but getting a chance to compete. I hope they both do someday, and want the best for our guys. I also know guys who want to be Coordinators are going to be chomping at the bit trying to get an interview here on either side. On one side, they have a ton of control on the offense with McD’s blessing, and on the other side the6 get mentored by a Jimmy Johnson disciple who has surrounded himself under Ron Rivera, Andy Reid, and on and on. That is not to mention one of the most talented squads in the league. Not perfect, but pretty darn excellent. Now it’s onto TN. Don’t underestimate these guys as they have a stingy defense in the past, and Henry is a world beater. I hope Edmunds, amd Milano are healthy as well as the whole defensive line squad. One thing to bring some confidence is if this is a preview for the season with Norman, our secondary just improved massively. Now the dam* trigger and get Lorax BACK! Edmunds could use his leadership and haven’t been impressed with Klein. I’m not saying he sucks, but Lorax brings more. He wouldn’t cost a lot, and he pretty much knows barring injuries we have after a 4-0 record an 84% chance of making the playoffs, 32% chance of the second round, 18% chance of making the SB, amd 10% chance of winning the SB. I think that says it all. Get Lorax on this team TODAY, and get him ready to play on a pitch count the KC game if possible. You know the guy is in football shape. You know he wants a shot at the ring, and you know after 16 years, even if role player contracts has made more than enough $, it’s about glory. Oh yeah, and his legs are fresh. Heck if McD thinks he’s not ready, be a player coach for the Chiefs, and give him a tune up against Our favorite dumpster fire preparing for the Cheats. Make it rain Beane! Whoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 When that call comes... Be vague. Be VERY vague. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 18 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I’m just going to say it....Freddie Kitchens. Reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 25 minutes ago, MJS said: All these speculative threads are kind of annoying. It's really not all that hypothetical. He had a shot at a head coaching position last season, if he was chosen he wouldn't be here right now. IMO he's gone next year and will probably land with the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Of the possibles in like Houston, Atlanta, NYJ, Detroit... NYJ is probably the least like wanted job out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 50 minutes ago, jletha said: I think its a universal feeling that Daboll has done a fantastic job building this offense and this year is his masterpiece with Josh's development and the added pieces in Diggs & Davis. Its also pretty likely that he will get attention for Head coaching after this season assuming this offense keeps playing well. With that, is there a world where we watch Daboll leave and become known as one of the offensive guru coaches a la McVay and Shanahan and we struggle to replace him? If you speak to Falcons fans Id bet they regret letting that guy leave and keeping Quinn. Obviously its an impossible situation for an organization. You cant fire your HC after making the SB just to promote your OC but you also cant keep your OC if there are HC aspirations. Im just so satisfied with Daboll at this point, I heard this scenario mentioned on WGR briefly and have been fear stricken since. It’s been discussed here in several different threads over the last few weeks too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, MJS said: All these speculative threads are kind of annoying. yes, and they remind me of pre-training camp posts when there is nothing concrete to write about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njodogg Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I think there is an outside chance he would stay should Beane make him the highest paid OC. I am not saying he is the best OC (Although right now he is firing on all cylinders) but Beane and McD have been creating an atmosphere that is based around continuity. They clearly believe in their guys and in return guys often might take a little less or maybe stay with a role they know they are good at. If he moves on I see Dorsey taking over. Again, the culture that has been built. It would show a lot promoting a guy like Dorsey. Players and coaching staff members would really appreciate that. But lets worry about this come Feb when we are enjoying a super bowl victory. Won't be the worst problem to have. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I think they would be best keeping Dabol but it is not necesarily the end of the world if your QB is great. Another OC can get plugged in, in some ways it would have hurt more after last season, before Allen had made a major leap. Ideally maybe Dabol does not want everything that comes with an HC position and we can pay him more to stay OC. Dabol will get a lot of credit for "developing" Allen. A lot of people seem shocked how far Allen has come. So I would think there is a good chance someone will give him a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 58 minutes ago, jletha said: I think its a universal feeling that Daboll has done a fantastic job building this offense and this year is his masterpiece with Josh's development and the added pieces in Diggs & Davis. Its also pretty likely that he will get attention for Head coaching after this season assuming this offense keeps playing well. With that, is there a world where we watch Daboll leave and become known as one of the offensive guru coaches a la McVay and Shanahan and we struggle to replace him? If you speak to Falcons fans Id bet they regret letting that guy leave and keeping Quinn. Obviously its an impossible situation for an organization. You cant fire your HC after making the SB just to promote your OC but you also cant keep your OC if there are HC aspirations. Im just so satisfied with Daboll at this point, I heard this scenario mentioned on WGR briefly and have been fear stricken since. I said this in the other Daboll thread (yes there are a few threads on the topic😀) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I think we should be enjoying the moment and not mourning the loss of Daboll. My feeling is that he isn't going to jump at just any job, he's shown us over the last few years that he's very deliberate and pragmatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Well hes not gonna go to the jets so there is that. Best spot is Houston. Time will tell. BD would severely tarnish his reputation of being a brilliant mind by signing with he jets, even for many millions guaranteed, the jets and the WFT are the black holes of disappointment for any HC, I suspect The Pegulas will give him a hefty bonus/raise and we will have two assistant head coaches. Go Bills!!! Edited October 5, 2020 by Don Otreply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 It’s still early in the year and a lot can happen but the signs of the Bills offensive production very positive. If The Bills can win the AFC East, it’s all but certain that Daboll is gone. I also think that Daboll will have a much better chance than Eric Bienemy or whatever upcoming offensive coordinator will emerge. Over the span of 3 years (if all continues) Daboll will have developed a very raw traits-based QB into an up-and-coming NFL superstar. Bienemy who works alongside with a HOF playcaller, can’t take as much claim. QB is likely going to be the #1 priority of any team who fires their coach, and what Daboll did with Allen has to be a tremendous selling point 11 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: BD would severely tarnish his reputation of being a brilliant mind by signing with he jets, even for many millions guaranteed, the jets and the WFT are the black holes of disappointment for any HC, I suspect The Pegulas will give him a hefty bonus/raise and we will have two assistant head coaches. Go Bills!!! I think NYJ is definitely a possibility. Daboll might be a shot to start from scratch with the top college QB prospect in football. Daboll’s not dumb like his buddy JMD who stayed in NE when they dangled the HC carrot in front of his face (it’s going to Belichick’s kid when the old man retires). If he gets a HC shot, he’s taking it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, JohnNord said: It’s still early in the year and a lot can happen but the signs of the Bills offensive production very positive. If The Bills can win the AFC East, it’s all but certain that Daboll is gone. I also think that Daboll will have a much better chance than Eric Bienemy or whatever upcoming offensive coordinator will emerge. Over the span of 3 years (if all continues) Daboll will have developed a very raw traits-based QB into an up-and-coming NFL superstar. Bienemy who works alongside with a HOF playcaller, can’t take as much claim. QB is likely going to be the #1 priority of any team who fires their coach, and what Daboll did with Allen has to be a tremendous selling point I think NYJ is definitely a possibility. Daboll might be a shot to start from scratch with the top college QB prospect in football. Daboll’s not dumb like his buddy JMD who stayed in NE when they dangled the HC carrot in front of his face (it’s going to Belichick’s kid when the old man retires). If he gets a HC shot, he’s taking it Daboll will fail if he signs with the jets, like all HC who sign there do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I think McBeane will get their guy. This isn't the drought Bills anymore I don't think any OC will be ignoring that call. On a side note somebody needs to brew a Bills Draught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Daboll will fail if he signs with the jets, like all HC who sign there do. If the Bills and Josh stay on their projected trend, Daboll will be the hottest coaching candidate on the market. I would be SHOCKED if given his choice, he picked the Jets, even with a #1 overall pick. Would be a majorly dumb move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobot Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I think Bear and Dawkenstein nailed it. It's a good problem to have. If Josh is the guy, and not some system guy whose deficiencies have to be hidden by a genius OC, then it's going to work out. I desperately hope we go on a deep run and Daboll decides whatever is offered isn't quite what he's looking for. Some guys just want the chance, any chance, while other guys will wait for the right opportunity with the right owner, front office, and especially roster. I've been really impressed with Daboll's play design and calls; what a difference a year makes. They're letting Josh drive (or cook) and it turns out our rebuilt former clunker of a car is now a luxury sports sedan, or luxury SUV, or luxury truck... whatever suits your fancy. Only 4 games in, but this year has been about the synergy between a great coordinator, a talented offense loaded with playmakers, and a franchise QB who has taken an unprecedented leap in his third year. From Allen to Diggs, Brown/Beasley/Davis/Mackenzie, the entire rotating O-line, Daboll and the rest of the coaching staff, the Bills front office... they're making each other look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Well, the Jets fans want him https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/154824-chris-johnson-please-hire-brian-daboll/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 If the season continues as is, he should become a very popular candidate and he should become very picky on where he goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Daboll will fail if he signs with the jets, like all HC who sign there do. That might be true...but I don’t think that stops him from taking the jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Why wouldn't we replace him with Ken Dorsey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Coaches still don't count towards the cap yeah? Make him an offer he can't refuse. The continuity for Josh and crew is worth big bucks IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said: Coaches still don't count towards the cap yeah? Make him an offer he can't refuse. The continuity for Josh and crew is worth big bucks IMO. Yeah basically what NE has done with mcdaniels.. Just pay the guy like he's HC. Dabs may not be so eager to run away from JA17 as well... I mean he has a career ahead of him there is no need to rush from this thing if it's working. He probably feels a sort of way about Josh, like he's his baby.. Just from a mentoring and tutorship perspective. He may want to just stick around with josh for a few more years to watch it all come to fruition. Of course he will still want to be paid but I'm sure the pegs can make it happen, LETS GO! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 The most important coach on this team is the guy taking notes from Daboll. Dorsey maybe next man up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 hour ago, JohnNord said: That might be true...but I don’t think that stops him from taking the jobs Oh, he may very well take a HCing job, it just won’t be with the jets, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Oh, come on. A year or two years ago, when the D was playing lights out, the concern was that Frazier was the coordinator we'd lose. Suddenly that talk has gone away. This year the offense is playing lights out. Daboll is the same guy, creative and smart, but now he has the weapons to succeed. A year or two years ago, most of the people here were trashing him and asking for him to be replaced. Personally, I hope we keep both coordinators around for a few more years at least. Frazier should be able to figure out how to fix the D -- he'll get a lot smarter when he gets Star back to clog the middle, and when the NFL goes back to enforcing holding penalties on the O line. Daboll is a good guy and I hope he gets his chance to move up, in a few years. Put him in as HC with a crummy team and he'll be lost in the churn, struggling to overcome the poor personnel at the new place, having a miserable time, getting fired after three years, and never getting another job as good as he has now. There are too many examples of this to count. It would be much better for him to replace a retiring, successful coach with a team with good offensive talent and a strong D coordinator already in place, even if that takes a couple of years to pan out. Of course, I have my own perspective. I built my own career (now retired) by NEVER jumping at a promotion just because it was available. I always asked myself, do I really want to do the duties of that other job? Is the work interesting, rewarding, and important? If not, screw the extra money. The right job always came along. I hope Daboll does it this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Losing daboll isn’t a big deal as long as the hire has a similar philosophy. He’s done his job, and done it well. He coached up Allen and brought him to a nice level without a gimmick. I’m not sure he’ll be up for the actual hires this season I think there might be a couple guys ahead of him in the pecking order. As a coach, leader of men I think he’s done a fantastic job with the talent given and maximizing their strengths which is what makes him a top head coach candidate. As a play caller though I think he leaves a lot to be desired. Could be a lot of job openings this year. Atlanta, Detroit, Jacksonville, Jets, denver, then some older coaches with possible retirement in Seattle, New England (unlikely but those two are pretty old) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 4 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: I think we should be enjoying the moment and not mourning the loss of Daboll. My feeling is that he isn't going to jump at just any job, he's shown us over the last few years that he's very deliberate and pragmatic. Agreed. He's the OC of his hometown team, with a great young QB and a solid shot at a championship. He's not in a hurry to leave. Undoubtedly he'll interview with any team that asks, if for no other reason than getting HC interview experience, but he'll wait for the right opportunity before accepting an offer. People often point out that there's only 32 HC positions in the NFL, so you have to take a shot when it opens, but every year opportunities open up. When that happens and Daboll eventually leaves, we'll already be in good shape to carry on without him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I would feel a lot more uneasy about it if the QB coach was not also a succesful OC They already have someone in training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob2232 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Bill obrien just got canned. I’d take him as OC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 No. Daboll just hit the lottery. Daboll is a pretty good coach. Allen is throwing lasers in the redzone and is going to get Daboll paid. I expect Dorsey gets the not. Bring up another smart guy to Qb coach and keep it moving. 5 minutes ago, JimBob2232 said: Bill obrien just got canned. I’d take him as OC. Same offense. Offensive coaches will line up around Bills stadium like a home playoff game to be the Bills Oc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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