Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Sam Monson blocked me on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsToast Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Ahhh marketers. That's all they are at this point. Just like Stephen A and many others. Once you "catch on" you stop caring, you realize they are just morons clothed with some ghastly authority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Only 3 other QB's in NFL history have had the start that Allen has had through 2 weeks...none of them are this year but Allen, although Wilson is quite close, so might as well lump him in and say 4 other QB's. PFF still grades him low. Its embarrassingly inaccurate system. And at some point they have to start considering credibility you would think and either stop click baiting or re-evaluate their system if they are grading out Allen as the 12th best QB this week and behind Darnolds atrocious performance for example. There is ONLY one player who has a case for a higher grade than Allen this week, and that is Wilson, and that is a negligible argument as they were both phenomenal performances. Thats it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Only 3 other QB's in NFL history have had the start that Allen has had through 2 weeks...none of them are this year but Allen, although Wilson is quite close, so might as well lump him in and say 4 other QB's. PFF still grades him low. Its embarrassingly inaccurate system. And at some point they have to start considering credibility you would think and either stop click baiting or re-evaluate their system if they are grading out Allen as the 12th best QB this week and behind Darnolds atrocious performance for example. There is ONLY one player who has a case for a higher grade than Allen this week, and that is Wilson, and that is a negligible argument as they were both phenomenal performances. Thats it. Further proof that analytics is bunk. BUNK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: Problem is... they are supposed to be based on some type of "non-biased" analytics. Therefore, there should be no click bait attached. Their opinion pieces, on the other hand, would make click bait sense. Sorta sick to manipulate numbers to meet their narrative. Basically just hot trash takes. Absolutely, but it’s not like there’s any actual consequences to their “calculations,” right? They’re basically just an infotainment outlet, like cable news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, jimmy10 said: Absolutely, but it’s not like there’s any actual consequences to their “calculations,” right? They’re basically just an infotainment outlet, like cable news. Well that and the fact that they put out these 'grades' first thing Monday...which means they're just using broadcast footage. And in Allen's case, it's missing about 20 mins of tape because of the power outage. PFF is to be safely ignored by people who actually know football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Because Collinsworth owns a majority of PFF.... that information alone should be enough to stop paying attention to them. Collinsworth is PAINFUL to listen to. The nonsensical blathering, the real-time hypotheticals that he seems to pull out of his arse, and the self deprecating “back when I played... a-hyuckHYUCKHYUCK”-ing, it’s a really tough listen on sunday nights. Al Michaels, the voice is legendary but dude’s a dinosaur and he doesn’t do enough to balance Collinsworth out. Ok sorry. I guess I’m triggered lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Why isn’t K Cousins on here ? He definitely had a much better game then Allen !! Edited September 21, 2020 by Putin 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Jimmy G had a really good day, I’m so glad that he’s not with the Patriots anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Collinsworth is PAINFUL to listen to. The nonsensical blathering, the real-time hypotheticals that he seems to pull out of his arse, and the self deprecating “back when I played... a-hyuckHYUCKHYUCK”-ing, it’s a really tough listen on sunday nights. Al Michaels, the voice is legendary but dude’s a dinosaur and he doesn’t do enough to balance Collinsworth out. Ok sorry. I guess I’m triggered lol. No please continue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Hard to believe too that Russ W (5 TD's) wouldn't have been higher, at least 2nd maybe behind only Rodgers? So definitely does make you wonder how they come up with their ratings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I stopped at PFF. Hey, @GunnerBill can you remind me of the things you say PFF does well? A lot of their analytical stuff. Number of snaps guys play at certain spots and when they play there and then their coverage stats and their pass rush win % stuff. They do that better than their competitors. And their grading system is not useless. It isn't perfect either, by any means, and you have to take them with a pinch of salt they are subjective not objective. 10 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Collinsworth is PAINFUL to listen to. The nonsensical blathering, the real-time hypotheticals that he seems to pull out of his arse, and the self deprecating “back when I played... a-hyuckHYUCKHYUCK”-ing, it’s a really tough listen on sunday nights. Al Michaels, the voice is legendary but dude’s a dinosaur and he doesn’t do enough to balance Collinsworth out. Ok sorry. I guess I’m triggered lol. Whereas I think after Romo he is the best color guy out there. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I see Trubisky but no Dak.... So looks like other fan bases too may be upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Remember that guy at WGR who quit because the Bills drafted Allen instead of Rosen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: And their grading system is not useless. Any system that has a guy ranked 12 for the week who passes for 4 TD, 400+ yards and zero turnovers has pretty much no credibility IMO. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Rivers and his 214 yds with a td and a pick? GOOD LORD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Is Josh the only one that gets this kind of treatment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Any system that has a guy ranked 12 for the week who passes for 4 TD, 400+ yards and zero turnovers has pretty much no credibility IMO. AMEN...behind darnold and his 180 yds and 1td. behind rivers with his 214 1td 1int.... thats an embarrassingly flawed system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: lmfao he says 'Allen wasn't bad through the first three quarters of the game' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: So Jimmy G. left with an ankle sprain in the 2nd half and outperformed Allen - go figure. Must be more of that infallible math they keep touting as part of their "data scientist" team using their BAYESIAN EPA forecast to prognosticate who is going to be successful. It is such an oversimplification of using historical trends that it does not in any meaningful way to capture all the other variables that go into the growth and maturation of a player. Per PFF's end of December 2018 article "Breaking down the futures of the first-round QBs of the 2018 draft class" "It will seem hard to believe for many, but the numbers show great confidence that neither Allen nor Darnold will become the best passer, by PFF passing grade, of the class. That said, unlikely outcomes still happen, and there’s still a greater than a 1/20 chance that either will eventually be considered the best selection." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Monson is just such a prick.... he just ho hums around the fact that allen has been good. back handed compliments the whole time and then when his feet are finally held to the fire he admits he's played very well and his progression from draft until now has been remarkable....... dude, why cant you just say that to begin with? its so obnoxious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Any system that has a guy ranked 12 for the week who passes for 4 TD, 400+ yards and zero turnovers has pretty much no credibility IMO. Their system on Quarterbacks isn't what I would call "Josh friendly" it is "safe" friendly. I don't love that but their system is consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 The man threw at least a half dozen absolute daggers yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: lmfao he says 'Allen wasn't bad through the first three quarters of the game' It’s hard to listen even when they do praise him there’s always BUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: PFF is pure garbage. A bunch of lil basement boy hack writers. Who cares, we all know JA played lights out and we are now focused on the Rams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) This is year 5 in the "Josh Allen vs Statistics" bout. Josh has never been an analytical darling, so at least their consistent. Whatever - dude balled out yesterday. Bring on the Rams! Edited September 21, 2020 by TheElectricCompany 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustWinPlease Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 It's downright amazing to me that people pay for PFF content. You must be some kind of special schmuck to pay for their "opinions." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Their system on Quarterbacks isn't what I would call "Josh friendly" it is "safe" friendly. I don't love that but their system is consistent. Is 4 TDs and 0 turnovers not safe enough? I just don't get what grading system could possibly produce this result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: AMEN...behind darnold and his 180 yds and 1td. behind rivers with his 214 1td 1int.... thats an embarrassingly flawed system. I watched Jets game yesterday since I'm in 49ers' local market and I have to say Darnold was even unimpressed yesterday than that first game. Majority of his completions were short passes and no one (except probably die-hard Jets fans and PFF) would say those are short passes picking apart defense. Many are 5-yard WR out pattern to sideline. Darnold was 21/32 for 179 yards yesterday while 74 yards were from the garbage time with 3:07 left in the game trailing 7-31 and 49ers in prevent D. He was 16/27 (59%) for 105 yards before then. It's really weird that his performance could be considered better. Furthermore: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 54 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Sam Monson blocked me on Twitter. Wear that badge proudly! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Is 4 TDs and 0 turnovers not safe enough? I just don't get what grading system could possibly produce this result. Wrong is safe. Couldn't resist😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Sam Darnold? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, H2o said: Any time people talk about PFF as a "credible source" “You know you’re a funny guy Tommy”. “That’s it Hendry, I think you’d fold unda questioning! “You r a funny guy, ya sidewinda”! “That’s it” I love that movie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 41 minutes ago, Putin said: No please continue Ok fine....he kinda looks like Butthead, and a quick look on google tells me I’m not alone in that opinion... 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 "We hate Josh Allen at QB With our screwy methodology That says he's as off-target as can be... Oh my God, we were wrong! Our narrative is gone but PFF will never see (No PFF will never see) Our own lack of accuracy!" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 PFF is trolling us. There is no other explanation. It is a high level troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 How many times do I have to say STATS LIE 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Honestly it just a troll job. They know how avid our fan base is. PFF does it to get clicks to sell ads. If every Bills fan stoped using PFF I bet they would change their tune on Josh. At this point it speaks to their credibility more than anything else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Yeah this one seems fishy. There were definitely plays where you could knock him like the misses on 3rd down, an almost INT, and an almost fumble. But ultimately he made too many big time throws and scored too much to have him that far back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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