Happy Burrow not in AFC East

[Cheektowaga Chad]

He has looked solid and looks to be a francise QB through 2 weeks

 

I'll say this though, if he continues to play the way he is/offense called the way it is he 1. Wont make it the full season 2. Defenses are gonna start picking him off a lot

 

Most of that is offensive line issues but his stat line could get ugly

[Logic]

Burrow looked good for a rookie, especially on a short week.

I don't know that he flashed one single "special" play the past two weeks, though. Something that makes you sit up and go "Wow! Not many guys could do that!".

Ya know who DOES make me feel that way on a weekly basis?

Joshua Allen.

[msw2112]

For a rookie in his first two starts on a bad team, Burrow looks pretty impressive.  He is really poised and composed while the bullets are flying and with that bad OL, they are certainly flying.  He doesn't have Allen's physical abilities and thus has a lower ceiling, but his mental processing of the game is certainly ahead of where Allen was when he started.  If the Bungles can build up an OL around him, Burrow will be a good one, potentially a very good one.  If Allen continues to progress and cuts down on the ball security issues, he will be a great one.  Both guys are gamers and will be among the future stars of the league - mind you, Allen has a change to be a star of the league THIS year.   This isn't to say that either guy will achieve these levels, but as far as style of play, I would compare Burrow to Brady and Allen to Elway.  Both are cerebral and athletic, but Brady is more cerebral and less athletic than Elway and Burrow is more cerebral than Allen, but less athletic.  (As to Brady's athleticism, he is not a fast runner, but he's always been an effective scrambler and has great hand-eye coordination - he was an excellent baseball player in high school and college and was drafted by the Montreal Expos.)

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

23 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

I dunno...his surrounding cast looked pretty awful to me.   I was impressed by what he was able to do without much help.

 

 

 

Awful, OK fine, but maybe your memory is a little bad.  The Bills WRs in 2018  were K Benjamin, Z Jones, Holmes, McCloud, and their star by seasons end was likely Foster with a TE of Clay and Croom who again by seasons end was the better of the two.

 

So if the Bengal's cast was awful, what would you call the Bills?

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

 

I recall the NFL world drooling over Mayfield after his first few starts as well.

Since then, it's been a pretty up-and-down journey.

 

Defenses eventually adjust.  Coordinators will discover Burrow's weaknesses, and then start taking away what he does best.  

Then it will be on Burrow to improve his game and continue developing.  It's not about being successful as a rookie.  It's about being successful over the long haul.

 

 

Just look at Josh Allen.  In his first season, he was an absolute All-Pro running the ball.  But he struggled pretty badly as a passer.  

As a sophomore, coordinators switched things up and those running lanes weren't so wide open.  Allen was forced to do more with his arm, because teams weren't just going to let him run wild every game.  The times he struggled the most were against defenses who played heavy Cover 0 looks and crowded the box, and when opponents dared him to make plays downfield. 

 

One of best moments from Sunday was on Allen's touchdown pass to John Brown.  He quickly recognized the Jets in Cover 0, audibled to a new play at the line, and then proceeded to make the scoring play.  Allen wouldn't have made that play early in his career.  

 

That’s pretty much what I said, 👍

[IDBillzFan]

Burrow totally impressed me last night.  Watching him stand in the pocket gave me agita, and I was surprised to see he stood at 6'4" because when the pocket started to close, it looked like it was closing over him, just not around him. But for his second NFL game, the dude was throwing some pretty nice balls and did a great job moving the chains. I understand he didn't have time for a deep ball, but it was impressive to see him not try to force hero balls and just take what he could get.

 

After his second drive that ended with the snap that went past him as he tried to call time out, followed by another quick seven by Cleveland, I thought it was over. But Burrow came back relatively unrattled.

 

If Cincinnati had anything that even remotely resembled a pass rush or run defense, Burrow wins that game last night.

 

Browns got off the schnide, which was desperately needed for the fan base, and Mayfield's throws looked really good when he had time. But I'm very curious to see what happens when he plays against better defenses as the season moves along.

[KD in CA]

6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Awful, OK fine, but maybe your memory is a little bad.  The Bills WRs in 2018  were K Benjamin, Z Jones, Holmes, McCloud, and their star by seasons end was likely Foster with a TE of Clay and Croom who again by seasons end was the better of the two.

 

So if the Bengal's cast was awful, what would you call the Bills?

 

lol....yes the Bills offense was pretty bad two years ago, but that OL for Cincy is scary bad.

[thurst44]

2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

But it's most likely true -- he's clearly wayyyyy ahead of where Allen was in start #2 and seems to have all the intangibles. 

I'm not so sure that is a winning argument. Have we forgotten that quickly that this is Allen's start #2 where he won a game on the road in a game against one of the highest point spreads of the last decade.

 

 

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Call me when he’s jumping over linebackers and throwing balls out of stadiums 

or fighting for that 1 yard on a 4th and one after the snap was bungled....!!!!!!!

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said:

Pump the breaks.  He averaged 5.2 ypa.  Tyrod could throw for 300 yards if he dropped back 61 times.

Tyrod averages 7 ypa and had a 8.44 ypa when he passed for 300.   

[GoBills808]

He looks like he can get it done. Rooting for the kid

 

not quite sure he has the arm to be a top guy

[SirAndrew]

I’m happy he’s on the Bengals. He might not be in the AFC East, but his teams could still be a hurdle in the playoffs. Luckily, he got drafted by a team that never spends money to keep talent, or acquire free agent playmakers. The Pegula’s have been willing to spend money on this team. Allen’s continued growth combined with solid leadership from McD and Beane makes me less afraid of Burrow in the conference. 

[Figster]

Beat by Tyrod Taylor and then beat again by the always good on paper , but never seems to materialize Browns.

 

Tua could end up being just as good, or bad depending on how you look at it IMO.

 

Lets see If Tua goes 0 - 2...

 

 

[bmur66]

Break out the stogies!

[HomeskillitMoorman]

I like Burrow a lot. They definitely got a good one. Haha I don't know why we automatically have to compare him to our QB. They're different players. But no doubt Burrow is more polished coming into the league, I think it's definitely fair to say that. 

[Bsblguy]

4 hours ago, Halloween Land said:

He's going to be better than Allen if not already! 

Allen is like 8 months older than him, would you rather have Allen going into year three with this team, staff and system, or burrow as he is right now, as a rookie, with this team? just curious, assuming they both have the same amount of years left in their career, but burrow has more time on rookie contract.

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, Heitz said:

^ Two games does not a career make.

 

He looks real good in an O designed to be like his college O, but is that sustainable?  Let's give it a minute to see how he develops, how D coordinators adjust to him, etc.  

 

Not saying he's not going to be good, but I'm also not busting out the Jump to Conclusions mat just yet...

 

 

 

The easiest time to look great as a QB is before opposing DC's have enough game tape on you. Considering there was no pre-season to get ANY tape on him, that even makes it easier in the beginning. Let's see what happens after the 4th or 5th game...Wentz started off on fire also but then crashed back down to earth as a rookie and looked mostly bad after a great start...

 

I think Burrow will be a very good QB in the league but let's wait until DC's have enough tape on him to adequately prepare for what he does wel/doesn't do well and then see if he can adjust to it.

[Jerome007]

I watched the first half and looked at the always well done official Youtube highlights for the 2nd half just now. He really is the real deal. He was truly impressive.

 

LOL @ at people wanting him over Josh. WTH is wrong with you? He is the #1 draft pick, there are stars all over the league we'll never get... and he is one. You support your team or you don't! GO JOSH!!

[Big Gun]

To say he is already better than Allen is comical. All you Allen haters are pathetic! 

[HeHateMe]

He's going to be a stud... If he survives the season without any major injuries.  That line is really bad and they might end up getting him killed.  They should pound Mixon more to give Burrow a chance to stay upright.

[MJS]

He looked good. He didn't really make many "wow" plays though. Efficient and consistent. Let's wait and see how he does going forward.

 

But he took a ton of hits in the pocket and I don't think it is a recipe for success throwing it 60+ times a game. They need to help their rookie QB out more.

45 minutes ago, Big Gun said:

To say he is already better than Allen is comical. All you Allen haters are pathetic! 

The difference to me is Allen makes those "wow" plays all the time, and he did as a rookie too. He makes a lot of mistakes, but you always feel like a big play could happen at any moment.

 

But yeah, it has only been two games for Burrow. Have to wait and see. There's no way anyone could honestly claim that he is better than Allen after two games (and two losses, btw).

[Halloween Land]

1 hour ago, Bsblguy said:

Allen is like 8 months older than him, would you rather have Allen going into year three with this team, staff and system, or burrow as he is right now, as a rookie, with this team? just curious, assuming they both have the same amount of years left in their career, but burrow has more time on rookie contract.

The answer is Allen now for sure. But all i'm saying is Burrow is ahead of where Allen was his rookie year and I think Burrow will be the better of the 2 in the future. Of course I hope I'm wrong! 

[Big Gun]

12 minutes ago, Halloween Land said:

The answer is Allen now for sure. But all i'm saying is Burrow is ahead of where Allen was his rookie year and I think Burrow will be the better of the 2 in the future. Of course I hope I'm wrong! 

Kind of expected, Allen was a 21 year old rookie and Burrow is a 23 year old rookie. Light years of difference especially considering the NCAA programs they came from.

[billsbackto81]

6 hours ago, Halloween Land said:

He's going to be better than Allen if not already! 

Are you from PFF?

A little early for click bait don't you think?

 

Yeah, we were soooooo lucky having had Brady instead the last 20 years instead. 

 

I'm shocked and amazed that the consensus #1 QB prospect from a Top D1 program looks pretty good. How did so many teams pass on him? Oh wait! 

 

Yes, he should turn into a pretty good pro if developed properly.

[Gigs]

Burrow doesn't set his feet. That TD pass in the first half was under thrown because he has poor footwork. So does Darnold and so does Tua. I can tell you right now footwork is huge for QBs. Allen got better over these last few years because his footwork got better. Dude stands tall in the pocket and delivers. His bad throws are with bad footwork; its no coincidence. 

 

Mark my words that Burrow and Tua are as good today as they will be down the road, just like I said about Darnold. 

[billsfan89]

I am not sold on Burrow. The Browns secondary is not healthy. Greedy Williams, their 2nd round pick at safety and several other key players in that secondary are hurt and outside of Ward that secondary wasn't that great to begin with. So Burrow throwing a good number on them even in a somewhat competitive game (But the Bengals were playing from behind a lot of the game too inflating stats) is not very impressive. This banged up Browns secondary might be one of the bottom 3 or 4 in the league at the moment. Even when healthy that Browns secondary was a bottom 12 secondary in the league. 

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

lol....yes the Bills offense was pretty bad two years ago, but that OL for Cincy is scary bad.

Our offensive line two years ago, was scary bad. I don't know how Allen survived that.

 

Thankfully, Beane changed that the following year.

[PIZ]

Why is Joe Burrow's nickname "Happy"? Is it like Happy Gilmore?

[Putin]

6 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I love how Bills fans are reacting to this. They just don't want to hear it. But it's most likely true -- he's clearly wayyyyy ahead of where Allen was in start #2 and seems to have all the intangibles. That being said, Allen is also a superstar. Nothing wrong with there being another one.

Well he did play at LSU with real coaching against some BIG time opponents while Allen was basically still basically playing high school football till he got here . 
So obviously Burrow should be ahead of Allen in their rookie year , lets not forget Allen wasn’t even supposed to start his rookie year, 

As of today I wouldn’t trade Allen for ANYBODY love everything about the kid !! 
GO Bills !!!

Edited September 18, 2020 by Putin

[Talley56]

Yeap, would have been even better if he ended up in the NFC but not in our division is fine too.  Browns Steelers fans could be pulling their hair out over him and Lamar for the next 10-15 years.

[njbuff]

7 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

He also has a much better cast around him than Allen had as a rookie with a legit #1 receiver.  The only somewhat of a star Allen had as a rookie was McCoy.

 

And McCoy was awful in 2018 to boot.

[IDBillzFan]

4 hours ago, thurst44 said:

I'm not so sure that is a winning argument. Have we forgotten that quickly that this is Allen's start #2 where he won a game on the road in a game against one of the highest point spreads of the last decade.

 

 

 

It was funny over the summer watching Vikings fans on Twitter comment how Diggs was going to a inaccurate QB and was going to regret leaving the Vikings, only to be followed by Bills fans posting these highlights.

 

It resulted in one of my favorite shirts from 26shirts.com

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, PIZ said:

Why is Joe Burrow's nickname "Happy"? Is it like Happy Gilmore?

Was just going to do my best Frank Drebbin on the OP; I see you have already interrogated the suspect. 😁

[TBBills]

8 hours ago, gmanbfan said:

Anyone else who watched the game last night Thankful that Burrow is out of the AFC EAST?  I was pretty impressed with his performance, preparing in a short week for his first 'road' game.

 

Thank you Ryan Fitzpatrick.  Loved you in a Bills uniform, but love you just as much for avoiding the tank last year!  Keep up the good work!  

Ryan Fitzpatrick... good enough to screw your team out of a good QB.

[LB48]

12 hours ago, Halloween Land said:

He's going to be better than Allen if not already! 

I thought the same thing.  A great quick release with accurate passes.

 

4 hours ago, Putin said:

Well he did play at LSU with real coaching against some BIG time opponents while Allen was basically still basically playing high school football till he got here . 
So obviously Burrow should be ahead of Allen in their rookie year , lets not forget Allen wasn’t even supposed to start his rookie year, 

As of today I wouldn’t trade Allen for ANYBODY love everything about the kid !! 
GO Bills !!!

Homer!

[Putin]

46 minutes ago, LB48 said:

I thought the same thing.  A great quick release with accurate passes.

 

Homer!

👌 

Edited September 19, 2020 by Putin

[Manther]

23 hours ago, Heitz said:

^ Two games does not a career make.

 

He looks real good in an O designed to be like his college O, but is that sustainable?  Let's give it a minute to see how he develops, how D coordinators adjust to him, etc.  

 

Not saying he's not going to be good, but I'm also not busting out the Jump to Conclusions mat just yet...

 

 

Love the Jump to Conclusions Mat!

[whorlnut]

Burrow may not be in the afc East, but I’ve been thinking about Trevor Lawrence. The Jets are a mess. They are injured at key positions, Darnold isn’t as great as advertised, and I feel the team is going to give up on Gase. I feel they could legitimately be in contention for the number one pick. 
 

if that happens, obviously Gase is gone. How could any team pass on Lawrence?  It would be interesting to see what happens. Obviously I hope that doesn’t happen, though. 

[Manther]

13 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Burrow may not be in the afc East, but I’ve been thinking about Trevor Lawrence. The Jets are a mess. They are injured at key positions, Darnold isn’t as great as advertised, and I feel the team is going to give up on Gase. I feel they could legitimately be in contention for the number one pick. 
 

if that happens, obviously Gase is gone. How could any team pass on Lawrence?  It would be interesting to see what happens. Obviously I hope that doesn’t happen, though. 

The Jets are probably top 5 options for Lawrence.  I hope they don’t get him.  It’s not easy to get the first overall pick.

 

I hope and don’t think he goes to the Jets.  Miami splitting with the Jets would help that cause.

Edited September 19, 2020 by Manther
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[Matt_In_NH]

The AFC is loaded with young QB talent.