Brian Daboll is on the hotseat starting TOMORROW

[ziltoid]

2 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

no more excuses for this guy. It's time to show you can run a top 10 NFL offense. 

 

We are tired of our offense lagging so far behind the defense, last season I lost count on how many games our defense won while the offense struggled to score a measly 14 points. Terrible gameplans and head scratching play calling all season long. Daboll was constantly putting Allen under immense pressure with his calls, especially in the playoff game. We barely used Singletary to our advantage, hopefully that changes this season. So far in his career Daboll has shown no evidence he can lead a high powered offense in the NFL, that needs to change. 

 

 

Football is great.

 

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by BeerLeagueHockey

[GunnerBill]

20 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

 

Why is the "middle of the league" an acceptable goal?  This is McD's 4th year; Josh's year to shine and prove he's the man; we have a lot of stability, almost complete roster turnover to Beane and McD's satisfaction.

 

They've loaded up the offense with weapons, at least by traditional Bills standards.

 

Stop with the excuses.

 

Do you ever want to see the Bills in a Super Bowl again before you die?

I do!

 

Because it isn't going to be the way the Bills play. They are gonna keep most teams to 20 or under. They are not going to get into shootouts. I also think they have a lot of good defenses on their schedule. If the Bills scored 24 every week that would have them right about 14th or 15th in the NFL based on recent years. I also think that would be enough to win at least 12 games. Because not many teams are scoring 25 on this defense.

[Comebackkid]

16 minutes ago, BeerLeagueHockey said:

@Penfield45 you are the stupidest person in the world.

Isn't this directly against the coc?  (rules) 

Not to mention regardless of who else played a role, there were times that Daboll was inept and went against common sense last year

[BillsToast]

I wish he was. Truth is until proven our offense has been putrid. 

[ziltoid]

1 minute ago, Comebackkid said:

Isn't this directly against the coc?  (rules) 

Not to mention regardless of who else played a role, there were times that Daboll was inept and went against common sense last year

I hope so, I hate this place. 

[Steve Billieve]

2 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

The first running play for negative yardage I’m making a thread and calling for his head

 

What will you do when we keep a RB with 10+ carries and negative yards all season?

[Nextmanup]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because it isn't going to be the way the Bills play. They are gonna keep most teams to 20 or under. They are not going to get into shootouts. I also think they have a lot of good defenses on their schedule. If the Bills scored 24 every week that would have them right about 14th or 15th in the NFL based on recent years. I also think that would be enough to win at least 12 games. Because not many teams are scoring 25 on this defense.

I'm only talking about our offensive performance.

 

If we are ever going to be good again, we are likely going to need to be better than a middle of the pack offense.

 

I agree with you, this offense will not be better than middle of the pack.  It might well be worse than that.

 

I also agree McD is a traditional, conservative NFL coach.  I would love to see Daboll open up our offense and try to get the most out of Allen, mostly via running him more.  I don't think we'll see that either.

 

 

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

There is a lot of pressure on Daboll. And on Josh Allen. I think the Bills have to be around the middle of the league in terms of ranking and they have to be able to engineer drives when we need them.

This is a make or break year for Allen and Dumboll. I've never been a fan of his coordinating style, but with the addition of Diggs and Moss and some young receivers there's no more excuses. If this team doesn't avg 23/24 Pts per game I'm shopping for a different OC.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I'm only talking about our offensive performance.

 

If we are ever going to be good again, we are likely going to need to be better than a middle of the pack offense.

 

I agree with you, this offense will not be better than middle of the pack.  It might well be worse than that.

 

I also agree McD is a traditional, conservative NFL coach.  I would love to see Daboll open up our offense and try to get the most out of Allen, mostly via running him more.  I don't think we'll see that either.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think McDermott is all that conservative. He is middle of the pack in terms of going for 4th downs etc. It is just that he is a really good defensive coach and when you are keeping teams below 20 a lot that affects how you play offense. Believe me I am the biggest advocate of the Bills throwing it, but I don't think the way this overall roster is constructed that we are gonna be scoring 30 most weeks.

[ziltoid]

12 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

Isn't this directly against the coc?  (rules) 

 

They haven’t even played a preseason game yet.  The OP has a long track record of this divisive behavior. Hence my disgust.

[SirAndrew]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I'm only talking about our offensive performance.

 

If we are ever going to be good again, we are likely going to need to be better than a middle of the pack offense.

 

I agree with you, this offense will not be better than middle of the pack.  It might well be worse than that.

 

I also agree McD is a traditional, conservative NFL coach.  I would love to see Daboll open up our offense and try to get the most out of Allen, mostly via running him more.  I don't think we'll see that either.

 

 

 

 

I agree, playing conservatively on offense because you have a great defense doesn’t make sense. You only play conservatively on offense with a great defense if you can’t trust your offense. Our offense has the talent to win football games, and the coaches should trust them. The defense isn’t our only chance to win. This offense can be a contributor to victories. This is the 2020 NFL, it’s nice to have a good defense, but defense isn’t going to win every game. Teams like the Chiefs can be downright unstoppable, no matter what the defense does. The time always comes where you need to score points to win games in this era. As great as our defense was last season, they couldn’t shut down Watson in the second half of last year’s playoff game. We ultimately need to score more points this season, regardless of how it’s done. 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

This is a make or break year for Allen and Dumboll. I've never been a fan of his coordinating style, but with the addition of Diggs and Moss and some young receivers there's no more excuses. If this team doesn't avg 23/24 Pts per game I'm shopping for a different OC.

 

I think the window for Daboll to still be a Bills OC in 2021 is a narrow one. And it probably is about 22/23 ppg, Bills having about the 15th best offense and being 10-6. If it is better than that and Allen looks good he will be a hot HC candidate. If it is worse than that and Allen plateaus or regresses the Bills will fire him. 

[Nextmanup]

2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I agree, playing conservatively on offense because you have a great defense doesn’t make sense. You only play conservatively on offense with a great defense if you can’t trust your offense. Our offense has the talent to win football games, and the coaches should trust them. The defense isn’t our only chance to win. This offense can be a contributor to victories. This is the 2020 NFL, it’s nice to have a good defense, but defense isn’t going to win every game. Teams like the Chiefs can be downright unstoppable, no matter what the defense does. The time always comes where you need to score points to win games in this era. As great as our defense was last season, they couldn’t shut down Watson in the second half of last year’s playoff game. We ultimately need to score more points this season, regardless of how it’s done. 

The highlighted is the key to NFL football in 2020 and beyond! 

 

I would add that the time will come, at some point, when you will be playing a team that you must beat in order to advance, and they are going to have a gunslinging great QB with a high powered offense.

 

If you can't outscore that kind of team when you have to, you lose.  

 

Look at the Brady/NE formula for success for so many years.  If they didn't straight up blow people out, the time would come in the game when Brady knew "we need more points" and he would get them.  They'd end up with a few more than the other team, the clock would strike ZERO, and NE wins another game.

 

Hiding behind a good D is a recipe for losing.  It's still very nice to have a top D!  

But offense drives the way the NFL is played now.  Not defense.

 

 

[Jerry Jabber]

Running three run plays in a row starting at 1st and Goal from the 10 yard line is inexcusable! If Daboll cannot get the job done this season, then it’s time to fire him.

[davefan66]

The entire team has major expectations this year.  They’ve put that pressure on themselves, which is good.

 

Daboll I my mind has less pressure than the offensive players do.  It’s on them to execute.  It’s on Josh to throw players open to increase the likelihood of positive yardage.  Its in Josh to see the whole field and find the best receiver, not just tuck and run.  It’s on the offensive line to give Josh time to see plays open, and for them to open holes for the running game.  It’s on the receivers to run good routes and catch the ball.

 

It’s in the players to get it done now.

[Nextmanup]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think the window for Daboll to still be a Bills OC in 2021 is a narrow one. And it probably is about 22/23 ppg, Bills having about the 15th best offense and being 10-6. If it is better than that and Allen looks good he will be a hot HC candidate. If it is worse than that and Allen plateaus or regresses the Bills will fire him. 

What will the Bills do to Josh Allen if he plateaus or regresses this season?  That's the single most important factor for this team heading into this year, not what goes on with Daboll.  

 

 

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

Man, the "Me heap big realist fan. Me no satisfied without Super Bowl." crowd is in midseason form!

[SirAndrew]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

The highlighted is the key to NFL football in 2020 and beyond! 

 

I would add that the time will come, at some point, when you will be playing a team that you must beat in order to advance, and they are going to have a gunslinging great QB with a high powered offense.

 

If you can't outscore that kind of team when you have to, you lose.  

 

Look at the Brady/NE formula for success for so many years.  If they didn't straight up blow people out, the time would come in the game when Brady knew "we need more points" and he would get them.  They'd end up with a few more than the other team, the clock would strike ZERO, and NE wins another game.

 

Hiding behind a good D is a recipe for losing.  It's still very nice to have a top D!  

But offense drives the way the NFL is played now.  Not defense.

 

 

That sums it up. I think there’s an old school mindset among football fans and people in the game because the old phrase, “defense wins championships”. Obviously it’s great to have a good defense, but teams that don’t score points haven’t won Super Bowls for over a decade now. The game has changed immensely over the past couple decades, and not everyone is board with it. I like our coaching staff, and new regime at OBD. This is easily the best Bills team since the 90’s. It feels great to be excited about Bills football. I just don’t understand thinking this defense is going to carry us without improvement from the offense, and a more aggressive game plan meant to score points. 

[mjt328]

I have no problem with Brian Daboll's coaching over the last 2 years.  

Our biggest problem has been a young/developing Quarterback, poor offensive line and lack of weapons.  It's also very clear that Sean McDermott wanted to play it safe, and our offense frequently pulled back in the 2nd half with even the smallest leads.

 

This year though, the bar has been raised much higher.  To take the next step, we can't be barely scraping out wins against teams like the Jets and Dolphins.

The O-Line is strong.  The offense is loaded with weapons.  Josh Allen is in Year 3, and needs to step himself into the Top 10-15 .

If we struggle to score points in 2020, either Daboll or Allen will be on the hot seat.  And rightly so.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, iinii said:

Stay tuned things are already heating up. We should know pretty soon if Daboll was riding on some impressive coattails or actually deserved to be there. 

 

 

His resume already documents this....

[billsfan89]

I kind of agree that it is Dabolls job if the offense doesn't at least finish as a better than average offense. Diggs, Moss, O-line continuity and more experience for Allen are all key reasons why progression is expected from this offense. I don't think this offense has to finish top 5 in the league but top 10 or close is a must.

[SirAndrew]

6 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

What will the Bills do to Josh Allen if he plateaus or regresses this season?  That's the single most important factor for this team heading into this year, not what goes on with Daboll.  

 

 

He’d still get another year to prove himself imo. I think he’d be given a break because this team isn’t going 4-12, regardless of how he plays. It’s easy to keep a mediocre performing QB around when his team is posting winning records, and making playoff appearances. It’s also difficult to just replace a guy. They wouldn’t even begin to look at other options until after the 2021 season. 

 

[BillsToast]

1 hour ago, TigerJ said:

He may be on your personal hot seat, but, sorry, you don't matter.  

 

None of our opinions matter, including yours, or mine. We go on message boards to have fun. 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Watch the games. Daboll got guys open and Josh missed them. The only person this season depends on is Allen.

Yup.  Daboll has not been perfect to be sure, but there have been a lot of times that he’s put the team into position to succeed and execution has failed.  Those all haven’t been Allen’s fault either, but he’s had plenty.  And for some reason some people blame Daboll for all of that.  

[Seasons1992]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

heated benches

 

That's a great screen name for TBD.

[TigerJ]

12 minutes ago, BillsToast said:

 

None of our opinions matter, including yours, or mine. We go on message boards to have fun. 

You're right, of course.  I confess to getting a little irritated at posters who start threads with proclamations that in reality are opinions masquerading as facts, but then, that is only my opinion as well.

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Another garbage post. Hot, stinking garbage.

Agreed. It’s become a pandemic. We’re gonna have to ‘mask’ so folks around here.

[Bangarang]

35 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

What will the Bills do to Josh Allen if he plateaus or regresses this season?  That's the single most important factor for this team heading into this year, not what goes on with Daboll.  

 

 

In this scenario, we’d likely keep Allen next year but bring in competition whether it’s a draft pick or FA.

[bobobonators]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Wow the outrage is starting early.

you can see how much anger is already there and the season hasnt even started yet. Kinda concerning

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

you can see how much anger is already there and the season hasnt even started yet. Kinda concerning

Expectations are high. Schedule is more difficult.  We will quickly find out if the talent on the team is as good as advertised.

[BBILL12]

It's deja vu all over again. Seems like I remember a lot of people saying the same things about Jim K., Jim Ringo and Ted M. in what, '88? Round and round and round we go........

[Brennan Huff]

1 hour ago, Steve Billieve said:

 

What will you do when we keep a RB with 10+ carries and negative yards all season?

Oh god I have no idea. Is Reggie Bush still In the league?

[nucci]

No he's not

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

No he's not

Of course he is. This is the year for results on offense or I can guarantee he’ll be gone.

Edited September 12, 2020 by Bangarang

[smuvtalker]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

There is a lot of pressure on Daboll. And on Josh Allen. I think the Bills have to be around the middle of the league in terms of ranking and they have to be able to engineer drives when we need them.

With all of the weaponry that has been provided to Daboll(and Allen), I think that's a fair assessment in regard to where they should be ranking offensively...my first thought was that they should rank much higher than that to call the season a success, but Allen is still growing as a quarterback, and is still learning from what i hear is a pretty darn complex playbook...so yeah, middle of the pack offensively, we should be fine.  Especially with the defense we are putting on the field.  We finish 15th in the league offensively and I believe that translates to 11-12 wins comfortably. 

Edited September 12, 2020 by smuvtalker

[GreggTX]

I seriously doubt we'll have a top 10 offense with this OL and Allen, but I really hope they prove me wrong. We were what? 26th in total offense last year? We added 1 new starter, albeit the best player on our offense. I see us finishing 2020 ranked around 14-20. Just my guess. I want to see Allen improve by twice as much as he did from year 1 to year 2. That would make me ecstatic.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Daboli is not out there blocking, running, throwing or catching the ball.

 

He can only play the players he has

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think the window for Daboll to still be a Bills OC in 2021 is a narrow one. And it probably is about 22/23 ppg, Bills having about the 15th best offense and being 10-6. If it is better than that and Allen looks good he will be a hot HC candidate. If it is worse than that and Allen plateaus or regresses the Bills will fire him. 

I agree.  Another 19-20 pt/game season and both Josh & Brian will be on the " hot seat". And Sean will also be responsible for allowing Daboll to open things up. No more taking the foot off the pedal. Belichick never did that.

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Daboli is not out there blocking, running, throwing or catching the ball.

 

He can only play the players he has

He also should not have a play that has Pat DiMarco as the player going deep on a passing situation late in a playoff game. 
I have been Daboll’s biggest critic. I think he got better after he moved to the booth. Brian needs to keep his cool and call plays, that’s easier to do when you aren’t on the sideline. 

Edited September 12, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[Don Otreply]

Every member of the team to include the coaches and the GM and his staff are on the hot seat to some degree every work day, so..., 

 

Go Bills!!