machine gun kelly Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Doc said: Why would the Jets even bother? They're years away from contending. Doc, my friend, easy answer. Because they are the dumpster fire J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBilz2500 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Jets main beat reporter just said Jets not currently pursuing him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 To add: Yannick did not have a good year last year. The previous year he had 51 QB pressures - that was 4th in league. Up there with JJ Watt and Aaron Donald. That is more than Mario the last two years combined. Lawson led the Bills last year with 28. That is an elite pass rusher and what this team needs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: There is no way Beane signs Ngakoue without having an agreement already in place for an extension. He isn't Bill O'Brien. I would love to add a DE like Ngakoue if they can get the numbers right. If you cut Murphy or trade him you clear a lot of cap space that can go towards Ngakoue's contract. Addison is 32 and obviously isn't the long term answer here. This Bills roster is on the cusp of being a legit Super Bowl contender. An elite DE may be the final piece of the puzzle. This is why you manage your cap wisely so that when an opportunity like this comes up you have the means to take advantage of it. This move might be the one that puts this team over the top. I'm all for it if Beane can make it happen. I was told backup QB was the last piece of our puzzle. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said: I was told backup QB was the last piece of our puzzle. No you weren't. You were told a solid back up QB is insurance to protect a team's chances during a championship run. I would take issue with you for deliberately misrepresenting my position but I think it was probably just an honest mistake on your part, more of a reading comprehension issue. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: No you weren't. You were told a solid back up QB is insurance to protect a team's chances during a championship run. I would take issue with you for deliberately misrepresenting my position but I think it was probably just an honest mistake on your part, more of a reading comprehension issue. You misinterpreted my position. Prepare to die. 2 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 This is a no brainer. Pick up the phone Beane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest1981 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Will be really interesting to find out where Yannick lands. In my mind I went through all 32 teams to find a hit factoring in the contracting cap (and which teams are already screwed in 2021, like the Eagles and Saints) and who has a need. Seattle would’ve made sense until they traded most of their high picks the next two drafts to the Jets for Jamal. Tennessee makes the most sense. But that’s an intra-divisional trade. Not that Jacksonville really cares where they finish this year. The Rams can always be counted on to make an irresponsible move they can’t really afford, cap and draft pick consequences be damned. Some have guessed Baltimore but that’s a middle finger to Judon, another franchised pass-rusher looking for his payday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I'll say Seattle. They're looking for a replacement for Clowney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: There is no way Beane signs Ngakoue without having an agreement already in place for an extension. He isn't Bill O'Brien. I would love to add a DE like Ngakoue if they can get the numbers right. If you cut Murphy or trade him you clear a lot of cap space that can go towards Ngakoue's contract. Addison is 32 and obviously isn't the long term answer here. This Bills roster is on the cusp of being a legit Super Bowl contender. An elite DE may be the final piece of the puzzle. This is why you manage your cap wisely so that when an opportunity like this comes up you have the means to take advantage of it. This move might be the one that puts this team over the top. I'm all for it if Beane can make it happen. cant have an agreement for an extension on a franchise tag after july 15. other than that minor hiccup, I agree with your post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 49 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: cant have an agreement for an extension on a franchise tag after july 15. other than that minor hiccup, I agree with your post. Thanks, I didn't know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Unfortunately, Joe Douglas seems competent so I doubt he makes this move. Just signing this guy to the massive contract he'll get is a mistake let alone any draft capital used for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: No you weren't. You were told a solid back up QB is insurance to protect a team's chances during a championship run. I would take issue with you for deliberately misrepresenting my position but I think it was probably just an honest mistake on your part, more of a reading comprehension issue. Or mighta been making a funny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 The question is.....does he instantly become our best pass rusher? If that answer is yes....then I would give up a 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: A 2nd for a 1 year rental is high. Since you can not sign him to a new contract, you may need to let him go or sign him to a second, expensive tag next year. Seems like high risk, moderate reward. We’re in win now mode right? If he comes here on a one year deal, has 10+ sacks and helps the team go on a deep playoff possible Super Bowl run I would say a 2nd round pick is worth the one year rental. I don’t personally think yannick is a game changer or worth the 100 million he wants, I also don’t think the team needs him to make a deep run. But I couldn’t hate if they gave up a 2 and had him for this one season to make a push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Or mighta been making a funny. Yeah, you're probably right R.N. My bad... @BruceVilanch ? Edited August 20, 2020 by Inigo Montoya 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: Yeah, you're probably right R.N. My bad... @BruceVilanch ? I genuinely was just messing with ya! I enjoyed your write up on the backup and I too would be more comfortable with someone other than MB as the back up. No worries! Go bills! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Doc said: Why would the Jets even bother? They're years away from contending. Because bringing in a "Big Name" player would put butts in the stadium seats! Oh, wait............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) Live shot of Brandon Beane working on the Ngakoue trade Offering a conditional 2023 5th round pick and a pair of old gym socks Edited August 20, 2020 by Inigo Montoya 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: Live shot of Brandon Beane working on the Ngakoue trade Offering a conditional 2023 5th round pick and a pair of old gym socks Can I make fun if this, or will you go all anal on me too? WAIT! nevermind..?♂️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Just now, Chandler#81 said: Can I make fun if this, or will you go all anal on me too? WAIT! nevermind..?♂️ Lol Yeah, definitely not my finest TBD moment... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Jets will trade a 1st round pick for him. Book it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Jets will trade a 1st round pick for him. Book it. Oh I do hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 32 minutes ago, BritBill said: Oh I do hope so. Just so they can deal with Jamal Adams again without that extra first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown24 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Jets will not trade a first round pick for him, don’t get your hopes up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 On 7/8/2020 at 4:22 PM, jamiezzz said: Stay the course, and sign Tre White before we pay this guy. I think he's a good fit, but too expensive. I would rather sign a good/elite pass rusher than a good zone CB that can be replaced with a solid FA pickup or draft pick. I'm also not a fan of paying any CB over 60 mil unless it's a Revis type CB and even then I'm not sure I would put that much money into the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would rather sign a good/elite pass rusher than a good zone CB that can be replaced with a solid FA pickup or draft pick. I'm also not a fan of paying any CB over 60 mil unless it's a Revis type CB and even then I'm not sure I would put that much money into the position. I'd rather pay the guy who has already been in the building than a guy who has never been in the system. Thats one of the biggest mistakes teams make, you cant build your team through free agency, you have to supplement. Thankfully I dont think Beane is going to choose to pay a guy who has never been on his team over one of the cornerstones of his current team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would rather sign a good/elite pass rusher than a good zone CB that can be replaced with a solid FA pickup or draft pick. I'm also not a fan of paying any CB over 60 mil unless it's a Revis type CB and even then I'm not sure I would put that much money into the position. I'm not sur ehow these are mutually eclusive. We just signed an elite pass rusher in free agency in Mario Addison and we have Jerry Hughes who I feel will have a better statistical year with Addison opposite him this year. Both are locked up for a few years and we still have plenty of cap space. Not sure why we couldn;t lock up our elite #1 corner regardless of scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, dje85 said: I'm not sur ehow these are mutually eclusive. We just signed an elite pass rusher in free agency in Mario Addison and we have Jerry Hughes who I feel will have a better statistical year with Addison opposite him this year. Both are locked up for a few years and we still have plenty of cap space. Not sure why we couldn;t lock up our elite #1 corner regardless of scheme. Both Hughes and Addison are 32, a age that usually means decline for DE's. Not very often do very good DE's become available, when one does you need to at least look into it. If Whites contract projections are correct their is no way I'm paying a zone CB over 85 mil. Edited August 20, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: Live shot of Brandon Beane working on the Ngakoue trade Offering a conditional 2023 5th round pick and a pair of old gym socks Or more like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Both Hughes and Addison are 32, a age that usually means decline for DE's. Not very often do very good DE's become available, when one does you need to at least look into it. If Whites contract projections are correct their is no way I'm paying a zone CB over 85 mil. Tre isn’t a zone CB. And the choice isnt between a “good/elite DE and a good zone CB.” The choice is between a DE that only topped 10 sacks once in his career and an all pro CB. Finally, and this I dont expect everyone to agree with, an elite CB is more important than an elite DE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 9 hours ago, John from Riverside said: The question is.....does he instantly become our best pass rusher? If that answer is yes....then I would give up a 2nd I think the bigger concern here is not the 2nd but a huge contract that will have to dish out for him IF we intend to keep him beyond this year , unless the FO believes that we could go all the way THIS YEAR !!! Not to mention we have our own guys due for BIG contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Tre isn’t a zone CB. And the choice isnt between a “good/elite DE and a good zone CB.” The choice is between a DE that only topped 10 sacks once in his career and an all pro CB. Finally, and this I dont expect everyone to agree with, an elite CB is more important than an elite DE. Totally disagree with the CB is more important than DE. So you would rather have Revis over Bruce Smith or even the 30 all time greats under him. Josh Norman played in McD system in Carolina and was a zone CB. Norman was overpaid big time and there are a few other zone CB who have been paid big contracts where the team is now trying to get out of them. I’ll take a good safety tandem with solid CB’s with a good pass rush over paying a CB close to 90 mil. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Totally disagree with the CB is more important than DE. So you would rather have Revis over Bruce Smith or even the 30 all time greats under him. Josh Norman played in McD system in Carolina and was a zone CB. Norman was overpaid big time and there are a few other zone CB who have been paid big contracts where the team is now trying to get out of them. I’ll take a good safety tandem with solid CB’s with a good pass rush over paying a CB close to 90 mil. In today’s NFL, I would prefer Revis over Smith. And its not even close. A CB can take away half the field. A good DE just means you have to get rid of the ball sooner, which today’s offenses are specifically designed to so. Plus, a GREAT DE will get, what, 16 sacks a year? Thats one sack a game, and its rarely game changing. Josh Norman and Tre are the same in the sense that they are both “McDermott’s #1 CB.” That is where the comparisons stop. Tre plays on an island (meaning plays man coverage) in a zone scheme. Norman did not have the same responsibilities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 CBs tend to be elite for very limited amounts of time before rapidly declining whereas elite DEs can produce at a high level for a decade or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Billl said: CBs tend to be elite for very limited amounts of time before rapidly declining whereas elite DEs can produce at a high level for a decade or more. That's just it though. Ngakoue THINKS he's elite and wants to get paid like he's elite, but he's truly not. Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, H2o said: That's just it though. Ngakoue THINKS he's elite and wants to get paid like he's elite, but he's truly not. Pass. Draft picks are valuable because it allows you to infuse young, CHEAP talent. This trade would force us to trade the opportunity for cheap talent for a guy that will want a BIG pay day this or next year. Plus, our salary cap will run out eventually. Its just not a smart play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 38 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: In today’s NFL, I would prefer Revis over Smith. And its not even close. A CB can take away half the field. A good DE just means you have to get rid of the ball sooner, which today’s offenses are specifically designed to so. Plus, a GREAT DE will get, what, 16 sacks a year? Thats one sack a game, and its rarely game changing. Josh Norman and Tre are the same in the sense that they are both “McDermott’s #1 CB.” That is where the comparisons stop. Tre plays on an island (meaning plays man coverage) in a zone scheme. Norman did not have the same responsibilities. Revis over Smith? Tom Brady has gotten into your head. A primary way CBs are great is by a great pass rush. Bruce Smith was an all-time elite player, better at what he did than arguably anyone in the history of the game. Pass rushers are still the most important part of any defense. McDermott has effectively done it with mid-level talent and throws waves of good but not great players at the line. That said, gimme Tre all day long over any other FA out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I just hope he gets traded somewhere today since I hate these neverending rumors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Draft picks are valuable because it allows you to infuse young, CHEAP talent. This trade would force us to trade the opportunity for cheap talent for a guy that will want a BIG pay day this or next year. Plus, our salary cap will run out eventually. Its just not a smart play. Who needs trophies when you could have salary cap space instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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