Ngakoue Watch is officially on!

[machine gun kelly]

14 minutes ago, Doc said:

Why would the Jets even bother?  They're years away from contending.

Doc, my friend, easy answer.  Because they are the dumpster fire J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets.

[DBilz2500]

Jets main beat reporter just said Jets not currently pursuing him. 

[ngbills]

To add: Yannick did not have a good year last year. The previous year he had 51 QB pressures - that was 4th in league. Up there with JJ Watt and Aaron Donald. That is more than Mario the last two years combined. Lawson led the Bills last year with 28. That is an elite pass rusher and what this team needs. 

[BruceVilanch]

31 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

There is no way Beane signs Ngakoue without having an agreement already in place for an extension.  He isn't Bill O'Brien.  I would love to add a DE like Ngakoue if they can get the numbers right.  If you cut Murphy or trade him you clear a lot of cap space that can go towards Ngakoue's contract.  Addison is 32 and obviously isn't the long term answer here.  This Bills roster is on the cusp of being a legit Super Bowl contender.  An elite DE may be the final piece of the puzzle.  This is why you manage your cap wisely so that when an opportunity like this comes up you have the means to take advantage of it.

 

This move might be the one that puts this team over the top.  I'm all for it if Beane can make it happen.

 

I was told backup QB was the last piece of our puzzle.

[Inigo Montoya]

11 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said:

I was told backup QB was the last piece of our puzzle.

 

No you weren't.  You were told a solid back up QB is insurance to protect a team's chances during a championship run.  I would take issue with you for deliberately misrepresenting my position but I think it was probably just an honest mistake on your part, more of a reading comprehension issue.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

13 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

No you weren't.  You were told a solid back up QB is insurance to protect a team's chances during a championship run.  I would take issue with you for deliberately misrepresenting my position but I think it was probably just an honest mistake on your part, more of a reading comprehension issue.

 

You misinterpreted my position.  Prepare to die.

[Brennan Huff]

This is a no brainer. Pick up the phone Beane

[Midwest1981]

Will be really interesting to find out where Yannick lands. In my mind I went through all 32 teams to find a hit factoring in the contracting cap (and which teams are already screwed in 2021, like the Eagles and Saints) and who has a need. Seattle would’ve made sense until they traded most of their high picks the next two drafts to the Jets for Jamal.
 

Tennessee makes the most sense.
 

But that’s an intra-divisional trade.
 

Not that Jacksonville really cares where they finish this year.
 

The Rams can always be counted on to make an irresponsible move they can’t really afford, cap and draft pick consequences be damned.

 

Some have guessed Baltimore but that’s a middle finger to Judon, another franchised pass-rusher looking for his payday.

[Doc]

I'll say Seattle.  They're looking for a replacement for Clowney.

[IgotBILLStopay]

2 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

There is no way Beane signs Ngakoue without having an agreement already in place for an extension.  He isn't Bill O'Brien.  I would love to add a DE like Ngakoue if they can get the numbers right.  If you cut Murphy or trade him you clear a lot of cap space that can go towards Ngakoue's contract.  Addison is 32 and obviously isn't the long term answer here.  This Bills roster is on the cusp of being a legit Super Bowl contender.  An elite DE may be the final piece of the puzzle.  This is why you manage your cap wisely so that when an opportunity like this comes up you have the means to take advantage of it.

 

This move might be the one that puts this team over the top.  I'm all for it if Beane can make it happen.

 

cant have an agreement for an extension on a franchise tag after july 15. other than that minor hiccup, I agree with your post.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

49 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

cant have an agreement for an extension on a franchise tag after july 15. other than that minor hiccup, I agree with your post.

 

 

Thanks, I didn't know that.

[Malazan]

Unfortunately, Joe Douglas seems competent so I doubt he makes this move. Just signing this guy to the massive contract he'll get is a mistake let alone any draft capital used for him.

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

No you weren't.  You were told a solid back up QB is insurance to protect a team's chances during a championship run.  I would take issue with you for deliberately misrepresenting my position but I think it was probably just an honest mistake on your part, more of a reading comprehension issue.

Or mighta been making a funny.

[John from Riverside]

The question is.....does he instantly become our best pass rusher?

 

If that answer is yes....then I would give up a 2nd

[Rc2catch]

5 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

A 2nd for a 1 year rental is high.  Since you can not sign him to a new contract, you may need to let him go or sign him to a second, expensive tag next year.  Seems like high risk, moderate reward.

We’re in win now mode right? If he comes here on a one year deal, has 10+ sacks and helps the team go on a deep playoff possible Super Bowl run I would say a 2nd round pick is worth the one year rental. I don’t personally think yannick is a game changer or worth the 100 million he wants, I also don’t think the team needs him to make a deep run. But I couldn’t hate if they gave up a 2 and had him for this one season to make a push. 

[Inigo Montoya]

8 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

Or mighta been making a funny.

 

Yeah, you're probably right R.N.

 

My bad...   @BruceVilanch  ?

 

 

Edited August 20, 2020 by Inigo Montoya

[BruceVilanch]

8 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Yeah, you're probably right R.N.

 

My bad...   @BruceVilanch  ?

 

 

I genuinely was just messing with ya! I enjoyed your write up on the backup and I too would be more comfortable with someone other than MB as the back up. No worries! Go bills!

[billsbackto81]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

Why would the Jets even bother?  They're years away from contending.

Because bringing in a "Big Name" player would put butts in the stadium seats!

 

Oh, wait.............

[Inigo Montoya]

Live shot of Brandon Beane working on the Ngakoue trade

 

 

Offering a conditional 2023 5th round pick and a pair of old gym socks

 

Edited August 20, 2020 by Inigo Montoya

[Chandler#81]

26 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Live shot of Brandon Beane working on the Ngakoue trade

 

 

Offering a conditional 2023 5th round pick and a pair of old gym socks

 

Can I make fun if this, or will you go all anal on me too?

 

WAIT! nevermind..?‍♂️

[Inigo Montoya]

Just now, Chandler#81 said:

Can I make fun if this, or will you go all anal on me too?

 

WAIT! nevermind..?‍♂️

 

Lol

 

Yeah, definitely not my finest TBD moment...

[Doc Brown]

Jets will trade a 1st round pick for him.  Book it.

[BritBill]

33 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Jets will trade a 1st round pick for him.  Book it.

 

Oh I do hope so. 

[buffalo2218]

32 minutes ago, BritBill said:

 

Oh I do hope so. 

Just so they can deal with Jamal Adams again without that extra first

[Lockdown24]

Jets will not trade a first round pick for him, don’t get your hopes up

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

On 7/8/2020 at 4:22 PM, jamiezzz said:

Stay the course, and sign Tre White before we pay this guy.  I think he's a good fit, but too expensive.   

I would rather sign a good/elite pass rusher than a good zone CB that can be replaced with a solid FA pickup or draft pick. I'm also not a fan of paying any CB over 60 mil unless it's a Revis type CB and even then I'm not sure I would put that much money into the position.

[thenorthremembers]

9 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I would rather sign a good/elite pass rusher than a good zone CB that can be replaced with a solid FA pickup or draft pick. I'm also not a fan of paying any CB over 60 mil unless it's a Revis type CB and even then I'm not sure I would put that much money into the position.

I'd rather pay the guy who has already been in the building than a guy who has never been in the system.  Thats one of the biggest mistakes teams make, you cant build your team through free agency, you have to supplement.   Thankfully I dont think Beane is going to choose to pay a guy who has never been on his team over one of the cornerstones of his current team. 

[dje85]

9 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I would rather sign a good/elite pass rusher than a good zone CB that can be replaced with a solid FA pickup or draft pick. I'm also not a fan of paying any CB over 60 mil unless it's a Revis type CB and even then I'm not sure I would put that much money into the position.

 

I'm not sur ehow these are mutually eclusive. We just signed an elite pass rusher in free agency in Mario Addison and we have Jerry Hughes who I feel will have a better statistical year with Addison opposite him this year. Both are locked up for a few years and we still have plenty of cap space. Not sure why we couldn;t lock up our elite #1 corner regardless of scheme. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

9 minutes ago, dje85 said:

 

I'm not sur ehow these are mutually eclusive. We just signed an elite pass rusher in free agency in Mario Addison and we have Jerry Hughes who I feel will have a better statistical year with Addison opposite him this year. Both are locked up for a few years and we still have plenty of cap space. Not sure why we couldn;t lock up our elite #1 corner regardless of scheme. 

Both Hughes and Addison are 32, a age that usually means decline for DE's. Not very often do very good DE's become available, when one does you need to at least look into it. If Whites contract projections are correct their is no way I'm paying a zone CB over 85 mil.

Edited August 20, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Live shot of Brandon Beane working on the Ngakoue trade

 

 

Offering a conditional 2023 5th round pick and a pair of old gym socks

 

 

Or more like this...

 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

9 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Both Hughes and Addison are 32, a age that usually means decline for DE's. Not very often do very good DE's become available, when one does you need to at least look into it. If Whites contract projections are correct their is no way I'm paying a zone CB over 85 mil.

Tre isn’t a zone CB. 
 

And the choice isnt between a “good/elite DE and a good zone CB.” The choice is between a DE that only topped 10 sacks once in his career and an all pro CB. 
 

Finally, and this I dont expect everyone to agree with, an elite CB is more important than an elite DE.

[Putin]

9 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

The question is.....does he instantly become our best pass rusher?

 

If that answer is yes....then I would give up a 2nd

I think the bigger concern here is not the 2nd but a  huge contract that will have to dish out for him IF we intend to keep him beyond this year , unless the FO believes that we could go all the way  THIS YEAR !!!  

Not to mention we have our own guys due for BIG contracts 

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Tre isn’t a zone CB. 
 

And the choice isnt between a “good/elite DE and a good zone CB.” The choice is between a DE that only topped 10 sacks once in his career and an all pro CB. 
 

Finally, and this I dont expect everyone to agree with, an elite CB is more important than an elite DE.

Totally disagree with the CB is more important than DE. So you would rather have Revis over Bruce Smith or even the 30 all time greats under him. 
 

Josh Norman played in McD system in Carolina and was a zone CB. Norman was overpaid big time and there are a few other zone CB who have been paid big contracts where the team is now trying to get out of them. 
 

I’ll take a good safety tandem with solid CB’s with a good pass rush over paying a CB close to 90 mil.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

5 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Totally disagree with the CB is more important than DE. So you would rather have Revis over Bruce Smith or even the 30 all time greats under him. 
 

Josh Norman played in McD system in Carolina and was a zone CB. Norman was overpaid big time and there are a few other zone CB who have been paid big contracts where the team is now trying to get out of them. 
 

I’ll take a good safety tandem with solid CB’s with a good pass rush over paying a CB close to 90 mil.

In today’s NFL, I would prefer Revis over Smith. And its not even close. A CB can take away half the field. A good DE just means you have to get rid of the ball sooner, which today’s offenses are specifically designed to so. Plus, a GREAT DE will get, what, 16 sacks a year? Thats one sack a game, and its rarely game changing. 
 

Josh Norman and Tre are the same in the sense that they are both “McDermott’s #1 CB.” That is where the comparisons stop. Tre plays on an island (meaning plays man coverage) in a zone scheme. Norman did not have the same responsibilities. 

[Billl]

CBs tend to be elite for very limited amounts of time before rapidly declining whereas elite DEs can produce at a high level for a decade or more.

[H2o]

14 minutes ago, Billl said:

CBs tend to be elite for very limited amounts of time before rapidly declining whereas elite DEs can produce at a high level for a decade or more.

That's just it though. Ngakoue THINKS he's elite and wants to get paid like he's elite, but he's truly not. Pass. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

12 minutes ago, H2o said:

That's just it though. Ngakoue THINKS he's elite and wants to get paid like he's elite, but he's truly not. Pass. 

Draft picks are valuable because it allows you to infuse young, CHEAP talent. This trade would force us to trade the opportunity for cheap talent for a guy that will want a BIG pay  day this or next year. Plus, our salary cap will run out eventually. Its just not a smart play.

[foreboding]

38 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

In today’s NFL, I would prefer Revis over Smith. And its not even close. A CB can take away half the field. A good DE just means you have to get rid of the ball sooner, which today’s offenses are specifically designed to so. Plus, a GREAT DE will get, what, 16 sacks a year? Thats one sack a game, and its rarely game changing. 
 

Josh Norman and Tre are the same in the sense that they are both “McDermott’s #1 CB.” That is where the comparisons stop. Tre plays on an island (meaning plays man coverage) in a zone scheme. Norman did not have the same responsibilities. 

Revis over Smith?

Tom Brady has gotten into your head.
A primary way CBs are great is by a great pass rush. Bruce Smith was an all-time elite player, better at what he did than arguably anyone in the history of the game. Pass rushers are still the most important part of any defense. McDermott has effectively done it with mid-level talent and throws waves of good but not great players at the line.

That said, gimme Tre all day long over any other FA out there.

[No_Matter_What]

I just hope he gets traded somewhere today since I hate these neverending rumors.

[Billl]

16 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Draft picks are valuable because it allows you to infuse young, CHEAP talent. This trade would force us to trade the opportunity for cheap talent for a guy that will want a BIG pay  day this or next year. Plus, our salary cap will run out eventually. Its just not a smart play.

Who needs trophies when you could have salary cap space instead?