ganesh Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 7 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: $500 million? If KC shelled out that much more then are absolutely crazy. I guess it comes down to the signing bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I don’t mind a team in our conference tying up that much money Although, there may never be an NFL game played ever again, so who knows if it’ll even matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 7 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Right...so why would this be a good deal for Mahomes? It’s generational wealth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, RiotAct said: I don’t mind a team in our conference tying up that much money Although, there may never be an NFL game played ever again, so who knows if it’ll even matter... Glass half empty kinda post right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, RiotAct said: I don’t mind a team in our conference tying up that much money Although, there may never be an NFL game played ever again, so who knows if it’ll even matter... How did we get from a reduced preseason, to NO MORE FOOTBALL EVER? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Huge money but smart deal by the Chiefs. They have a lot of flexibility with the length of the deal if they need to backload money and they also have coat certainty at the position for the next 12 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Huge money but smart deal by the Chiefs. They have a lot of flexibility with the length of the deal if they need to backload money and they also have coat certainty at the position for the next 12 years... Not much is certain in the NFL, just ask Alex Smith. Dude almost died. That said, I don’t know much on the deal. As far as going big on an extensions now with key players. I think that makes sense. You know market value for every position just increases each year. Then again if QB’s start making more than Mahomes in a few years as a result of inflated pay for the position I imagine he pressures to go back to the table and renegotiate. So meh on all of it I guess. Edited July 7, 2020 by KzooMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Best player in football. The most talented QB of all time. Great deal for all parties involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Half a billion here, half a billion there, sooner or later you're talking about real money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellcamino Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 14 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: I wanted to write the same thing but googled a little bit and apparently Calvin Johnson had an 8yr extension. Different cba for sure, but didn't Bledsoe sign a record 10yr 100 mil contract with the Pats before the 2000 season? Then only played 2 games before getting hurt and Brady happened? I could have faulty memory of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Dak doesn’t care if they look like smart or idiots. He cares that he gets paid. He’s not furious about this. He’s THRILLED. That’s why I originally chimed in. This is a great development for him (and Watson, Lamar, etc). And I did not say it wasn’t so, I merely pointed out the obvious differences in the success of two QBs, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 KC Chiefs 2020 Salary Cap before the PM $ Est. Cap Space (All) : $-16,975,634 Est. Cap Space (Top 51): $3,544,366 2021 Est. Cap Space (Top 51): $22,520,20 with 52 "active" players on the books 2022 Est. Cap Space (Top 51): $111,796,672 with only 36 "active" players on the books NFL Network's Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero report that the 10-year deal is worth up to $503 million, with a rolling guarantee structure that would pay Mahomes $477 million over 12 seasons. Mahomes will be fully guaranteed $63 million at signing and will have $103.5 million guaranteed by March of 2021 and $141.4 million guaranteed by March of 2022, if he's still on the roster at that point, according to Pelissero. (Feels like a safe bet!) Rapoport added that there is a no-trade clause in the deal. https://www.nfl.com/news/winners-and-losers-from-patrick-mahomes-contract-extension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Unfortunately for KC, this means their window to win another championship just closed, it’s now and that’s that. They won’t be able to retain a lot of their talent, they have way too many big contracts already. It’s going to be a Green Bay type of deal in short order. Dak should be offering Maholmes and his agent some commission for the extra money they just made him. To me, this makes this year Allen’s absolute do or die year. If he can’t prove himself to be an elite QB, you have to look to the draft this coming year to replace him. You can’t commit 25+MM to him for year 5 if he’s not there after this year and you sure as hell cant be tossing 35MM plus for him annually at this level of performance. The worst thing to happen could be another year like last year where he flashes, but never puts it all together for more than a half. He’s got to show mastery of the fundamental throws this year and bring back his dual threat ability to make him worth keeping. If that doesn’t happen, you can’t lock up your salary cap for what he brings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Utah John said: Half a billion here, half a billion there, sooner or later you're talking about real money. You might have a future in politics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 6 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Best player in football. The most talented QB of all time. Great deal for all parties involved. It's been two years. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 6 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Best player in football. The most talented QB of all time. Great deal for all parties involved. In light of your remarks, the New England Patriots are hereby awarded two compensatory draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 This is a huge contract in today's dollars. With the time value of money, it is smaller. Be interesting to see what it ends up in real $. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: And I did not say it wasn’t so, I merely pointed out the obvious differences in the success of two QBs, 11 hours ago, Don Otreply said: It is quite likely both the team and Patrick have outs at predetermined intervals, and boy will Dak be pissed... ? This is what I responded to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 9 hours ago, ganesh said: I guess it comes down to the signing bonus. His own golf cart for practice and game day usage. With an 8 track player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Gugny said: It's been two years. Gug’s, I was thinking the same. Brady has 20 years of success, Manning, 18, and Mahomes is anointed after two. I think he’s great to date, but the GOAT? We can talk in 10+ years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 $141M guaranteed safe deal for KC https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/patrick-mahomes-21751/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: This is what I responded to. You do realize that the smiling face denotes humor right? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: You do realize that the smiling face denotes humor right? ? I do but we disagree on who is mad. If you said “Dallas is pissed ?“ I wouldn’t have commented. I interpreted the smiley face as laughing AT the pissed off party. It wasn’t just you either. Others had the same reaction. The point remains that giant contracts, at the same position, are great for impending free agents. They celebrate them because it means they will be getting more. That’s true in all cases. Edited July 7, 2020 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: KC Chiefs 2020 Salary Cap before the PM $ Est. Cap Space (All) : $-16,975,634 Est. Cap Space (Top 51): $3,544,366 2021 Est. Cap Space (Top 51): $22,520,20 with 52 "active" players on the books 2022 Est. Cap Space (Top 51): $111,796,672 with only 36 "active" players on the books NFL Network's Ian Rapoport and Tom Pelissero report that the 10-year deal is worth up to $503 million, with a rolling guarantee structure that would pay Mahomes $477 million over 12 seasons. Mahomes will be fully guaranteed $63 million at signing and will have $103.5 million guaranteed by March of 2021 and $141.4 million guaranteed by March of 2022, if he's still on the roster at that point, according to Pelissero. (Feels like a safe bet!) Rapoport added that there is a no-trade clause in the deal. https://www.nfl.com/news/winners-and-losers-from-patrick-mahomes-contract-extension So it’s a 3-year deal worth $47M per year with a series of team options afterward. Should he see all 10 years of the deal, the “new money” average is $39.75M per season. That, to me, is right in-line with the market. Russ gets $35M per, so for youth, escalation, and a new CBA, just under $40M on a new-money-average basis makes perfect sense. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 16 hours ago, FireChans said: Lol bro, if things turn out that people aren’t watching football and the NFL isn’t making money 5 years from now, a QB contract is going to be the last worry on an owners’ mind. Now Mahomes has enough money to buy the Sabres and keep the Pegulas afloat. Things always work out. LOL Bro, who cares about 5 years from now.....so in the meantime it is fine for the Chiefs to keep spending millions annually on Mahomes, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 This made me laugh. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) The ESPN ticker right now: MAHOMES WAS 2ND QB TAKEN IN 2017 NFL DRAFT Chiefs traded up to no.10; Bears took Mitchell Trubisky no. 2 Edited July 7, 2020 by SydneyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: So it’s a 3-year deal worth $47M per year with a series of team options afterward. Should he see all 10 years of the deal, the “new money” average is $39.75M per season. That, to me, is right in-line with the market. Russ gets $35M per, so for youth, escalation, and a new CBA, just under $40M on a new-money-average basis makes perfect sense. C'mon Bandit. Did I say that? When the roster drops to 30 starters is it really meaningful to go further? Lets ballpark and say that 20 new players sign, on average, at $5 Million 20 is $100 Mil. That's the cap available for 2022. And still w/o PM's $. https://sports.yahoo.com/problems-patrick-mahomes-contract-130254739.html The problems with the Patrick Mahomes contract Mike Florio ProFootball Talk on NBC Sports July 7, 2020 It’s difficult for me to criticize the Patrick Mahomes contract, because the criticism of the contract is not and should not be regarded as criticism of Patrick Mahomes. Ultimately, he has the right to sign whatever contract he wants to sign. Two years, five years, 10 years, 12 years, 20 years. But the problem is that Mahomes is the best player currently in the NFL, with the arrow pointing straight up. He potentially could become the best player in league history, at any position. His skills and abilities deserve if not command a contract that reflects his unique talents and blindingly bright future. The contract he has signed does not. The point is that a lot can happen in 12 years. One thing that can’t happen in 12 years is that Mahomes can’t make himself into a free agent. He’ll only become a free agent if the Chiefs cut him in order to avoid the fancy-sounding “guarantee mechanisms” that basically are a series of large annual roster bonuses. Edited July 7, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: Gug’s, I was thinking the same. Brady has 20 years of success, Manning, 18, and Mahomes is anointed after two. I think he’s great to date, but the GOAT? We can talk in 10+ years. To be fair he didn't call him the GOAT. He called him the most talented. I have always said Rodgers is the most naturally talented of my era watching the NFL but I think Mahomes may well take that crown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: C'mon Bandit. Did I say that? When the roster drops to 30 starters is it really meaningful to go further? Lets ballpark and say that 20 new players sign, on average, at $5 Million 20 is $100 Mil. That's the cap available for 2022. And still w/o PM's $. https://sports.yahoo.com/problems-patrick-mahomes-contract-130254739.html The problems with the Patrick Mahomes contract Mike Florio ProFootball Talk on NBC Sports July 7, 2020 It’s difficult for me to criticize the Patrick Mahomes contract, because the criticism of the contract is not and should not be regarded as criticism of Patrick Mahomes. Ultimately, he has the right to sign whatever contract he wants to sign. Two years, five years, 10 years, 12 years, 20 years. But the problem is that Mahomes is the best player currently in the NFL, with the arrow pointing straight up. He potentially could become the best player in league history, at any position. His skills and abilities deserve if not command a contract that reflects his unique talents and blindingly bright future. The contract he has signed does not. The point is that a lot can happen in 12 years. One thing that can’t happen in 12 years is that Mahomes can’t make himself into a free agent. He’ll only become a free agent if the Chiefs cut him in order to avoid the fancy-sounding “guarantee mechanisms” that basically are a series of large annual roster bonuses. I wasn’t picking on your statement; I was analyzing the published guarantees to get a feel for the “real” AAV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 44 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: The ESPN ticker right now: MAHOMES WAS 2ND QB TAKEN IN 2017 NFL DRAFT Chiefs traded up to no.10; Bears took Mitchell Trubsky no. 2 So, he’s so unimportant they couldn’t even spell his name right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 14 hours ago, Don Otreply said: But he is asking far to much per his job requirement of creating team success. I mean Christ, a 2nd year project QB made him look bad on national tv, on thanksgiving no less. I would not be at all surprised when the Dak lead cowboys don’t make the playoffs again. Dak is a good QB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: LOL Bro, who cares about 5 years from now.....so in the meantime it is fine for the Chiefs to keep spending millions annually on Mahomes, Imagine thinking one player’s contract over 10 years will truly affect an owner’s bottom line so much without other drastic changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 14 hours ago, Don Otreply said: But he is asking far to much per his job requirement of creating team success. I mean Christ, a 2nd year project QB made him look bad on national tv, on thanksgiving no less. I would not be at all surprised when the Dak lead cowboys don’t make the playoffs again. How did Josh Allen affect how Dak Prescott played on Thanksgiving? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Wow! I believe this might be the biggest/richest contract in professional sports history. I think before this it was Mike Trout (MLB) signing that $425M deal in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Wow, good deal for KC...if they hold to it. I suspect that it ends up being renegotiated around year 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Moran Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 If I had a dollar for every "how this contract effects Josh Allen's future deal" Tweets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I have always said Rodgers is the most naturally talented of my era watching the NFL but I think Mahomes may well take that crown. This sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Imagine thinking one player’s contract over 10 years will truly affect an owner’s bottom line so much without other drastic changes. I didnt imagine that, never said or intimated that. And yes a half a billion contract can easily effect a franchise with a value of $2.1 billion, if you can't "imagine" that, it is your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 16 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Just for this, I hope there is never another down of football played...EVER...moohoohahahahaha!!! I would miss the Bills though. I’d be happier if he just slipped on a mat in TC and destroyed his throwing arm. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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