CSBill Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 https://nypost.com/2020/06/16/buffalo-bills-outlook-josh-allen-co-have-big-expectations/ A pretty fair analysis up to the point where he drops this bomb at the end--with no real explanation: "The key to the Bills season is how they handle raised expectations. The Bills are now viewed as the favorites in the AFC East with Tom Brady gone. I’m not sure how they will handle that. I think they could stumble and have a tough season. Too-early prediction Last place in AFC East." I don't swear, but this challenged my conviction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 I’m not sure Brian understands how odds work. He says that “the odds are against Buffalo making it to the playoffs this year.” The Bills are -105 to win the division right now. Not only do the odds favor them to make the playoffs, the odds favor them to win the division. 2 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 I had read the article shortly before you started this thread and my reaction was to shake my head and say the author is an idiot. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 I don't like talking about it, and I'm usually the type to furiously argue the positive side of things. That said, I don't have a hard time imagining us falling apart this year. We barely beat some bad teams last year. The opposition is much stronger this year. The Jets and Dolphins will not be the same pushovers they were last year. The Pats will still be good--not just because of BB, but because their defense was so good last year and still above average this year. There are a bunch of good and strong arguments why everything I just said could be flipped upside down. I'm just saying its not crazy to think that things fall apart next year. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not sure Brian understands how odds work. He says that “the odds are against Buffalo making it to the playoffs this year.” The Bills are -105 to win the division right now. Not only do the odds favor them to make the playoffs, the odds favor them to win the division. He seems to think that because they have not made the playoffs 2 years in a row since the nineties, that affects their odds to make the playoffs this year because they already made them last year. Pretty stupid. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) Same as all above. Hilarious article. here’s the summary - the bills have a strong D, made the playoffs 2 of last three years, added Diggs, Singletary is good, and Allen has shown a lot of promise. Prediction: last place in AFC. Reason: NY Post. Edited June 16, 2020 by dubs 3 8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 What the hell is this trash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 minute ago, dubs said: Same as all above. Hilarious article. here’s the summary - the bills have a strong D, made the playoffs 2 of last three years, added Diggs, Singletary is good, and Allen has shown a lot of promise. Prediction: last place in AFC. Reason: NY Post. Brian Costello also covers the Jets for the Post. He is a cheerleader for the green and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, CA OC Bills Fan said: He seems to think that because they have not made the playoffs 2 years in a row since the nineties, that affects their odds to make the playoffs this year because they already made them last year. Pretty stupid. They are actually -215 to make the playoffs according to Bovada. Basically, the guy just made some stuff up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 This article was next to zero value, no great insight at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 sounds reasonable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Time to relax, Mcd isn’t going lose this team or let this team fall apart. We have serious talent all over the board, I think the difference between us and other teams with expectations is that 1) Mcd keeps the roster humbled and hungry, 2) we clearly don’t have players who play as individuals, this roster has bought into the culture of family. there is not one team we can’t play or keep up with. Time to take the attitude that other teams need to worry about us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, CA OC Bills Fan said: He seems to think that because they have not made the playoffs 2 years in a row since the nineties, that affects their odds to make the playoffs this year because they already made them last year. Pretty stupid. Advanced analytics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Every year there's at least one team expected to do real well and falls apart. Last year the Rams and Chargers both were well below expectations (must be something about playing in LA) Could it be Buffalo, who knows, but likely there will be some team dropping off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 NY Post huh? That makes sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Would Frank Gore have been listed as a “key loss” if he hadn’t signed with the Jets? Having him off the team is a net benefit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Brian Costello sounds like Bud Costello. Dude needs to be power slammed through a burning table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 The Post writer has developed a chronic drinking problem from being stuck at home for the past 12 weeks. I'm bookmarking his prediction with the intent to send it back with a little holiday note at the end of December. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 I don't think this guy knows how to craft a premise or make arguments that support the conclusion. Or he could have just finished the article with: Too-early prediction Last place in AFC East. "Just a hunch" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Last place is ridiculous. I could definitely see us not winning the division, or potentially missing the playoffs if Allen either gets injured or regresses significantly. But last place seems like quite a stretch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) I honestly don’t have any problem with him picking the Bills last. I don’t think it’s likely but everyone is entitled to their opinion. It’s just odd. He talks about how good they are in all of these areas and then picks them last. It’s just kind of strange. @JetsFan20 come get your boy... Edited June 16, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 I just saw this myself Jets beat reporter predicts last place finish for Bills in AFC East The Post-StandardJune 16, 2020, 3:21 PM EDT Not everyone is buying the Buffalo Bills as a contender in the AFC in 2020. In fact, Brian Costello, New York Jets beat reporter for the New York Post, sees the Bills having a disastrous 2020 campaign. In his Bills outlook article for 2020, Costello paints a picture of a team that will crumble under the pressure of being the favorites in the AFC East for the first time since the 1990s. Just how bad does he see things going for the Bills this season? What a buffoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Yeaoookaaaaayyyy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 It amazes me why fans care about their stuff. If you want to read about the greatness of Josh Allen and the Bills there are plenty of outlets to do so. Costello makes some good points, but it’s just an op-ed. This is the NFL-there are so many examples of teams that you thought would be good that end up stinking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 I really wish this article was on a piece of paper so I could wipe my ass with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I honestly don’t have any problem with him picking the Bills last. I don’t think it’s likely but everyone is entitled to their opinion. It’s just odd. He talks about how good they are in all of these areas and then picks them last. It’s just kind of strange. @JetsFan20 come get your boy... Well you have to admit that the Bills have far and away the worst backup QB situation in the division. If Allen goes down, good luck with Barkley and Fromm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Why would you let some random article challenge your convictions? Just now, JetsFan20 said: Well you have to admit that the Bills have far and away the worst backup QB situation in the division. If Allen goes down, good luck with Barkley and Fromm. If any starting QB in the league goes down, outside just a couple of teams, they are screwed. Many of them are screwed even with their starters (Jets come to mind). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Why would you let some random article challenge your convictions? If any starting QB in the league goes down, outside just a couple of teams, they are screwed. Many of them are screwed even with their starters (Jets come to mind). You hope the backup QB doesn’t play, but if he does he becomes very important. I feel much better about Joe Flacco than Matt Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: Well you have to admit that the Bills have far and away the worst backup QB situation in the division. If Allen goes down, good luck with Barkley and Fromm. Fair point. But on the other hand, if the only clear section you can point to on the Bills roster and call them inferior is BACKUP QB, well...ya know...they must have a pretty good roster. The Jets, by comparison, are lacking in edge rushing threats, cornerbacks, and have a completely new offensive line that needs to prove its worth. THAT seems more important to determining game outcomes than the backup quarterback situation. I do agree with your overall point that fans get too worked up about opposing viewpoints. Like...a Jets writer predicted the Bills will do poorly? Oh nooooo! Unacceptable! Let's spam him with hateful comments! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: Well you have to admit that the Bills have far and away the worst backup QB situation in the division. If Allen goes down, good luck with Barkley and Fromm. I’ll agree with that (although Fromm is a wild card). As we sit today the Bills should feel worse about their number 2 than anyone in the division. Brian never suggests though that Allen goes out (which would be an odd thing to predict). Just saying, it’s a tough argument to put the Bills last in the division. They are +650 to finish 4th (and that’s way low imo). If someone offered me 30:1 that the Bills would finish 4th in the division I wouldn’t touch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 That was laughable. At least now we know who Darnold caught mono from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 The article is extremely odd. It is very complimentary about the Bills before doing a complete reversal of field and predicting that the Bills will finish last at the end of the article. Even if a non-Bills fan were to read this article, they would likely be left scratching their head. That said, the guy can write what he wants and is entitled to his opinion. It doesn't really bother me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 From what I read in the first few posts I’m glad I didn’t bother with it. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: You hope the backup QB doesn’t play, but if he does he becomes very important. I feel much better about Joe Flacco than Matt Barkley. Doesn't matter. You'll win 7 or 8 games with Darnold and maybe 5 or 6 with Flacco? If that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’ll agree with that (although Fromm is a wild card). As we sit today the Bills should feel worse about their number 2 than anyone in the division. Brian never suggests though that Allen goes out (which would be an odd thing to predict). Just saying, it’s a tough argument to put the Bills last in the division. They are +650 to finish 4th (and that’s way low imo). If someone offered me 30:1 that the Bills would finish 4th in the division I wouldn’t touch it. Id say there is a 10-15 percent the Bills/Pats finish last and a 35-40 percent chance the Jets/Dolphins finish last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said: You hope the backup QB doesn’t play, but if he does he becomes very important. I feel much better about Joe Flacco than Matt Barkley. The feelings about Barkley are pretty skewed by the 4th quarter vs. the Pats and the week 17 game vs. the Jets. As with Frank Reich, he could very well look much better with a full week of prep and the best of the rest of the offensive roster on the field with him. That's the best scenario we could hope for should he be the #2 and have to play for a few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 minute ago, JESSEFEFFER said: The feelings about Barkley are pretty skewed by the 4th quarter vs. the Pats and the week 17 game vs. the Jets. As with Frank Reich, he could very well look much better with a full week of prep and the best of the rest of the offensive roster on the field with him. That's the best scenario we could hope for should he be the #2 and have to play for a few games. He is baaaaaddddd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, MJS said: Doesn't matter. You'll win 7 or 8 games with Darnold and maybe 5 or 6 with Flacco? If that? And how many wins does Barkley lead the Bills to against that schedule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Just now, JetsFan20 said: And how many wins does Barkley lead the Bills to against that schedule? Probably 5 or 6. Or it could be Fromm. Or someone completely different. Lots of off-season left and teams will ramp up their roster churn in training camp and preseason. The Bills defense will keep them in most games regardless of the QB. And I seem to remember Barkley spanking the Jets a couple years ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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