How do you see the right side of the OL?

[njbuff]

Do you see Feliciano at RG with Cody Ford at RT?

 

Do you see Feliciano at RG with Darryl Williams at RT?

 

Do you see Ford at RG with Williams at RT?

 

Do you see Williams at RG with Ford at RT?

 

Any surprises?

 

This decision could easily make or break the Bills in 2020.

[Buffalo716]

With with my eyeballs and sometimes binoculars

[akcash]

I think its gonna be Feliciano and Ford. I just love the way Feliciano plays and I think Ford has a promising future.

[Ralonzo]

Am I crazy for thinking C-G-T of Feliciano-Ford-Nsekhe was a good combo on those occasions when it was necessary?

[Aussie Joe]

3 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

Am I crazy for thinking C-G-T of Feliciano-Ford-Nsekhe was a good combo on those occasions when it was necessary?

Did it happen all that often?

 

I thought Long played G a lot of time when Morse was absent and Feliciano to C..

 

I have said this a few times but I thought Feliciano was good at C and I could see him being a cheaper alternative there from 2021 if he is re-signed and could allow them to trade Morse..

[Logic]

There are a few variables that will affect this.

Does Cody Ford improve at right tackle and make the coaching staff feel comfortable keeping him there? 

Does Darryl Williams re-gain his former Pro Bowl level form?

Does Feliciano play at the same level, regress, or improve?

Ideally, I think the coaches want the same starting five as last season. I think they want Ford at right tackle long term and believe that he will improve in his second season at that position. In reality, the above variables will decide whether that's possible, or whether its wiser to move Ford to right guard, move Feliciano to the bench, and let either Williams or Nsekhe start at RT. This is the type of thing that would normally go down to the wire in training camp, but with the current uncertainty surrounding the offseason, smart money has to be on Feliciano and Ford manning the starting spots to begin the season.

[GoBills808]

Like this

 

[mjt328]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

There are a few variables that will affect this.

Does Cody Ford improve at right tackle and make the coaching staff feel comfortable keeping him there? 

Does Darryl Williams re-gain his former Pro Bowl level form?

Does Feliciano play at the same level, regress, or improve?

Ideally, I think the coaches want the same starting five as last season. I think they want Ford at right tackle long term and believe that he will improve in his second season at that position. In reality, the above variables will decide whether that's possible, or whether its wiser to move Ford to right guard, move Feliciano to the bench, and let either Williams or Nsekhe start at RT. This is the type of thing that would normally go down to the wire in training camp, but with the current uncertainty surrounding the offseason, smart money has to be on Feliciano and Ford manning the starting spots to begin the season.

 

Pretty much spot on here.

 

Brandon Beane spoke last week about continuity on the O-Line, and how it was great they had the same starting five returning in 2020.

I also believe Beane drafted Cody Ford to play Right Tackle, and they aren't going to give-up immediately just because he struggled as a rookie.

 

At the same time, this team is past the growth stage and ready to compete for a championship.  Coaches will not have the patience to deal with a "weak spot" on the roster this year.  Ford certainly gets first crack.  But if he continues to struggle into the regular season, it won't be long before Daryl Williams steps into the lineup.

 

 

[Niagara Dude]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

Do you see Feliciano at RG with Cody Ford at RT?

 

Do you see Feliciano at RG with Darryl Williams at RT?

 

Do you see Ford at RG with Williams at RT?

 

Do you see Williams at RG with Ford at RT?

 

Any surprises?

 

This decision could easily make or break the Bills in 2020.

I think Williams will start & play the RT and Ford moves inside to RG and Feliciano starts at LG

Edited May 24, 2020 by Niagara Dude

[Don Otreply]

After a few lines..., vividly, 

[whorlnut]

59 minutes ago, akcash said:

I think its gonna be Feliciano and Ford. I just love the way Feliciano plays and I think Ford has a promising future.

Even though Feliciano was pretty crappy the second half of the season?

[ganesh]

34 minutes ago, Logic said:

There are a few variables that will affect this.

Does Cody Ford improve at right tackle and make the coaching staff feel comfortable keeping him there? 

Does Darryl Williams re-gain his former Pro Bowl level form?

Does Feliciano play at the same level, regress, or improve?

Ideally, I think the coaches want the same starting five as last season. I think they want Ford at right tackle long term and believe that he will improve in his second season at that position. In reality, the above variables will decide whether that's possible, or whether its wiser to move Ford to right guard, move Feliciano to the bench, and let either Williams or Nsekhe start at RT. This is the type of thing that would normally go down to the wire in training camp, but with the current uncertainty surrounding the offseason, smart money has to be on Feliciano and Ford manning the starting spots to begin the season.

If they don't have a TC, there will be no season.  

[Dopey]

Barring injury, I think the line will come back with everyone in the same spots as last year. Beane didn't move up to draft Ford to be our RT, only to move him after 1 season. I saw enough good things out of him to keep him there. To me, there was a give and take when it came to rotating Ford with Nsekhe. As a rookie, Ford was able to get his feet wet while rotating and that's a good thing, but there may have been times where it messed with his rhythm. In for a few plays, get your rhythm, come out and have to try and regain it. I hope this is over with and Ford gets the job full time. 

[Thurman#1]

Best guess is same as last year, Feliciano and Ford/Nsekhe.

 

If Ford is still out there by the end of the year, IMO it will mean he's taken a real step up.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

Am I crazy for thinking C-G-T of Feliciano-Ford-Nsekhe was a good combo on those occasions when it was necessary?

I don’t think we ever saw that combo tbh.  Could be wrong

 

Nsekhe is a backup.  While he may be our best RT, he isn’t holding up playing RT full time.  He’s our backup swing.  Ford our RT.  Feliciano our RG.  Morse our center.  Daryl will compete with long for backup guard.
 

let’s just hope Feliciano and Ford keep improving.  Beane is all in with them for 2020

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think we ever saw that combo tbh.  Could be wrong

 

Nsekhe is a backup.  While he may be our best RT, he isn’t holding up playing RT full time.  He’s our backup swing.  Ford our RT.  Feliciano our RG.  Morse our center.  Daryl will compete with long for backup guard.
 

let’s just hope Feliciano and Ford keep improving.  Beane is all in with them for 2020

I think you are absolutely correct.  Good post.

[Paul Costa]

Warford RG , Ford RT

[Mike in Horseheads]

Do a poll, only way you'll get your answer.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Morse, Ford, Williams 

 

or

 

Morse, Feliciano, Ford

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

Am I crazy for thinking C-G-T of Feliciano-Ford-Nsekhe was a good combo on those occasions when it was necessary?

It was. Ford is an awful RT but decent RG. Nsekhe held his own at RT. All I know was watching Ford at RT at the end of the Texans playoff game was painful. 

[HOUSE]

It takes more then 17  games to fine tune an offensive line

Feliciano at RG with Cody Ford at RT

[BillsShredder83]

10 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

I think Williams will start & play the RT and Ford moves inside to RG and Feliciano starts at LG

Spain riding pine? Not happening 

[Victory Formation]

I think Cody Ford could be an All Pro guard but given the lack of depth at RT, he may find himself starting at tackle. I don’t think he has the length nor the quickness to be a good RT. They’ll probably experiment with different combinations at RG and RT mainly Ford at RG and Williams/Nsekhe at RT. It’s his job to lose but eventually I think he loses the battle and ends up at RG and Feliciano goes to the bench. Spencer Long is signed through 2021 and Feliciano is a free agent so those two will be fighting for a spot on next year’s roster. I’m thinking Buffalo is hoping that Daryl Williams has a renaissance and returns back to form so Ford can go inside to guard where he belongs. 
 

 

In my mind, it’ll be:

 

Dawkins/Spain/Morse/Ford/Williams

 

RT would still be a potential need going into 2021, but I think Williams and Nsekhe should easily be able to match Ford’s production at RT. Williams may return to form, he may not, regardless Ford is an average RT and will be easily replaced. If he goes into RG though, we may have a Pro Bowler on our hands. I doubt Ford will be our starting RT, I think that’d be a mistake although I trust our coaching staff’s opinion over mine, I’m just thinking out loud. Anyways...

[Slo_Bills]

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think we ever saw that combo tbh.  Could be wrong

 

Nsekhe is a backup.  While he may be our best RT, he isn’t holding up playing RT full time.  He’s our backup swing.  Ford our RT.  Feliciano our RG.  Morse our center.  Daryl will compete with long for backup guard.
 

let’s just hope Feliciano and Ford keep improving.  Beane is all in with them for 2020

This^^^^^

[Ralonzo]

I may be subject to senility, idk. Just seemed the dropoff in talent across the line when Feliciano moved to C was somewhat offset by an increase in nasty.

[thebandit27]

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think we ever saw that combo tbh.  Could be wrong

 

Nsekhe is a backup.  While he may be our best RT, he isn’t holding up playing RT full time.  He’s our backup swing.  Ford our RT.  Feliciano our RG.  Morse our center.  Daryl will compete with long for backup guard.
 

let’s just hope Feliciano and Ford keep improving.  Beane is all in with them for 2020

Nsekhe allowed zero sacks in 358 snaps in 2019. He easily outplayed Ford and was taking over the lion’s share of the snaps when he got hurt against Miami.

 

I believe Ford will be the starter at RT, but if it goes on performance he needs to get a LOT better to beat out Nsekhe.

 

Feliciano is highly overrated IMO. He was better than anticipated, but he’s a middling guard who isn’t good in pass protection.

 

Williams is a total wildcard. He was an all pro RT before his injury, but he’s proven almost nothing at guard, so I don’t see him starting camp ahead of any of Long, Boehm, or even Boettger inside.

 

I expect we’re looking at Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Mongo-Ford again, but I wouldn’t say I’m thrilled with the right side. 

[Doc]

Ford at RG and Williams at RT.

[TPS]

13 hours ago, whorlnut said:

Even though Feliciano was pretty crappy the second half of the season?

He played all season with a torn rotator cuff, which gets more painful with more use. We'll see if a healthy Feliciano makes a difference...

[Logic]

29 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Does Daryl Williams get his name spelled right in program?

Which one of these is you?

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

Does Daryl Williams get his name spelled right in program?

Is it limeade or limeaid?

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Does Daryl Williams get his name spelled right in program?

 

 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

Nsekhe allowed zero sacks in 358 snaps in 2019. He easily outplayed Ford and was taking over the lion’s share of the snaps when he got hurt against Miami.

 

I believe Ford will be the starter at RT, but if it goes on performance he needs to get a LOT better to beat out Nsekhe.

 

Feliciano is highly overrated IMO. He was better than anticipated, but he’s a middling guard who isn’t good in pass protection.

 

Williams is a total wildcard. He was an all pro RT before his injury, but he’s proven almost nothing at guard, so I don’t see him starting camp ahead of any of Long, Boehm, or even Boettger inside.

 

I expect we’re looking at Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Mongo-Ford again, but I wouldn’t say I’m thrilled with the right side. 

That’s what I said isn’t it? ? 

 

nsekhe is our best RT.  He’s more valuable to this team as a swing tackle because the likelihood of his health holding up playing starters minutes is pretty much nil.  Let’s just hope Feliciano and Ford improve.  
 

I’ve said all off season that my number 1 priority would be to upgrade our OL, more specifically, the right side of our line.  
 

 

[billsfan89]

7 hours ago, HOUSE said:

It takes more then 17  games to fine tune an offensive line

Feliciano at RG with Cody Ford at RT

 

Ford's play improved significantly after Ty got hurt and Feliciano's play ranged from average to good all season. I think the intent is to have all 5 starters come back and form a sense of continuity.

 

I think McBeane's philosophy is to emulate the late 2000's early 2010's Giants. By having a line with some elite talent but is mainly bolstered by not having any weak links and an extreme sense of continuity.

 

I think if Ford improved the Bill's will have an oline with no below average starters who have played together for a full season. 

[GreggTX]

Ford desperately needs to be moved inside and Feliciano could very easily be replaced with someone better. Unfortunately, we have no real talent at RT. Nsekhe is a career backup for a reason. Williams is no longer any good and should be our backup at G unless Ford moves inside, in which case Feliciano becomes the backup at G/C and Williams fails to make the roster. Despite all the cap space, we ignored this huge liability and the left side of the OL is just average. Allen handles pressure poorly, so the OL will probably be the reason our offense will fail to live up to the lofty expectations of some.

Edited May 24, 2020 by GreggTX

[Shaw66]

17 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

With with my eyeballs and sometimes binoculars

Right.   I usually start with the ball, find the center, and look to the right.  

 

I'd like to give a serious answer but frankly, I don't watch the offensive line and I certainly don't study film.   I also don't understand the nuances of the team game that is involved in offensive line play.   So I have no opinion about, for example, whether Ford should be a tackle or a guard.   My point of view is that McDermott, Daboll and the online coaches will figure out the best position for each player and the best combinations, and that's who will play.   We will see how they do.   

 

Unless we have someone here who's been an offensive line coach in the pros or D-1 for 15 years, I don't anyone else knows, also.   That doesn't mean you can't have opinions, and it doesn't mean it isn't fun for some to talk about it, but I don't have anything to add and don't even know how to tell which opinions people express here are worth listening to.   For me, it's pretty much a black box.  

Edited May 24, 2020 by Shaw66

[billsfan89]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

That’s what I said isn’t it? ? 

 

nsekhe is our best RT.  He’s more valuable to this team as a swing tackle because the likelihood of his health holding up playing starters minutes is pretty much nil.  Let’s just hope Feliciano and Ford improve.  
 

I’ve said all off season that my number 1 priority would be to upgrade our OL, more specifically, the right side of our line.  
 

 

 

I thought Feliciano was mostly solid last season. His play to me ranged from average to good last season.

 

The metrics support that. He gave up 4 sacks which for the 950 snaps he played is decent, he took 5 penalties which again is decent, and his run blocking was rated good while his pressure stats were mid level. 

 

I think another year of chemistry and communication in the scheme will only help him. 

[CEN-CAL17]

With Daryl Williams being an All Pro RT in 2017..... if he can play anywhere near that, he’s gotta be our guy.

 

All Oklahoma right side. Ford RG, Williams RT.

[Doc]

38 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

With Daryl Williams being an All Pro RT in 2017..... if he can play anywhere near that, he’s gotta be our guy.

 

All Oklahoma right side. Ford RG, Williams RT.

 

That's what I'm thinking.  He'll be 2 years removed from his knee injury at the start of this coming season.

[Buffalo716]

50 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Right.   I usually start with the ball, find the center, and look to the right.  

 

I'd like to give a serious answer but frankly, I don't watch the offensive line and I certainly don't study film.   I also don't understand the nuances of the team game that is involved in offensive line play.   So I have no opinion about, for example, whether Ford should be a tackle or a guard.   My point of view is that McDermott, Daboll and the online coaches will figure out the best position for each player and the best combinations, and that's who will play.   We will see how they do.   

 

Unless we have someone here who's been an offensive line coach in the pros or D-1 for 15 years, I don't anyone else knows, also.   That doesn't mean you can't have opinions, and it doesn't mean it isn't fun for some to talk about it, but I don't have anything to add and don't even know how to tell which opinions people express here are worth listening to.   For me, it's pretty much a black box.  

Yea I could've been more serious but I was just goofin

 

I was a regional scout for over a decade and have scouted plenty of lineman but I don't watch much line during the game

 

I'd rather go back and watch a few days later

[ColoradoBills]

16 hours ago, Dopey said:

Barring injury, I think the line will come back with everyone in the same spots as last year. Beane didn't move up to draft Ford to be our RT, only to move him after 1 season. I saw enough good things out of him to keep him there. To me, there was a give and take when it came to rotating Ford with Nsekhe. As a rookie, Ford was able to get his feet wet while rotating and that's a good thing, but there may have been times where it messed with his rhythm. In for a few plays, get your rhythm, come out and have to try and regain it. I hope this is over with and Ford gets the job full time. 

 

So do I.  When it comes to Ford I'm sure that he was given all of his tape along with a critique of where his improvements are needed.

He probably was also given training to improve his technique to work on in the off season.

Ford will come to camp as the RT and they will go from there.  IF he hasn't improved and struggles then a change will be considered.