[Vague Title] The King..Is out there..Sammy

[Mr. K]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

There's going to be a 30 for 30 about Sammy in the future.  I think we are just starting to see the craziness and it's going to be great...

 

 

I always liked Robert Woods (back to usc) and still cheer for him.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

The dude that we traded up for for drank and smoked fatties til 4am every night, slept 2 hours and went to work.  We all wondered wth the problem was with him. Why is he always hurt?  Why does he call fans out telling them to go back to their little jobs?  Now we know. It’s not as if he was an angel during his time here. 
 

I’ve always been a sammy supporter, but now that the cards are on the table, it’s quite obvious why he was traded.  

I get this.  But I hope you’re sitting down, athletes do a lot of terrible stuff off the field.  I could give a list of Buffalo athletes that I know who liked to ski and weren’t at holiday valley.  Difference is Sammy admitted it.  

[Motorin']

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

I get this.  But I hope you’re sitting down, athletes do a lot of terrible stuff off the field.  I could give a list of Buffalo athletes that I know who liked to ski and weren’t at holiday valley.  Difference is Sammy admitted it.  

That was my other take away from the article, "cocaine's a hell of a drug!"

[C.Biscuit97]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

This was impossible without trading Watkins I guess? 

If we had Sammy, we beat the Jags.  The one good thing Tyrod did in the passing game was throw to Sammy.  But we had Jordan Matthews and fat Kelvin. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

Headlines spinning this as another, "Athlete Wants out of Buffalo" story. Should be more like, "Watkins is a Raving Psychotic and Probably Needs Help."

 

I am forced to agree with you

[thenorthremembers]

28 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I have a good friend like this.  He's a good guy and his heart is in the right place, but his mind...wanders, to put it gently.

We all have that friend! And for a good stretch of my twenties I was that guy, thats why I can spot it so well.   I read a ton of Herman Hesse, spoke endlessly about Che Guevera, and had theories about shared energy.   Now I am 37, dont really like to talk and look forward to mowing my lawn.

[C.Biscuit97]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This ignores the fact that we traded Sammy specifically to get a draft pick to use in a trade up for a QB in 2018. He wasn't traded in a vacuum. They were doing everything possible to make sure they would have the capital needed to get a QB. If the choice is Mason Rudolph + Sammy Watkins, or just Josh Allen, there's no debate.

Funny thing is a healthy Sammy would have been a perfect fit for Allen. 

[NewEra]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

I get this.  But I hope you’re sitting down, athletes do a lot of terrible stuff off the field.  I could give a list of Buffalo athletes that I know who liked to ski and weren’t at holiday valley.  Difference is Sammy admitted it.  

That’s not the only difference.  Did the other guys think they are living in another dimension? We’re they constantly injured and isolating themselves from their teammates?  Did they rip off their walking boot against team advice and reinjure themselves?

[HappyDays]

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

This was impossible without trading Watkins I guess? 

 

I mean, they didn't know. It was before the 2017 season. They were planning on drafting a QB in 2018. They took every precaution needed to make sure they would get a QB they wanted. You're gonna fault them for that?

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

That’s not the only difference.  Did the other guys think they are living in another dimension? We’re they constantly injured and isolating themselves from their teammates?  Did they rip off their walking boot against team advice and reinjure themselves?

Zay Jones tried to fight for Jesus and he wasn’t nearly as insane as Sammy is.

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Go make it its own thread and see how long that lasts.?

What’s the point of saying “mark it down” If you can’t discuss it later on?

[QB Bills]

30 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Why?  I mean I would be one thing If Sammy was a homeless guy or in prison.  Dude just played a key role in winning a SB.  
 

for some reason, people love RI and made every excuse for him.  Now, Watkins who has never been in trouble, is some kind of maniac?  

Gee, I wonder what that could be

[teef]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Dude.  I’m not saying that there aren’t nut jobs out there.  I’m saying that sammy did things that warranted fans not liking him.  He wasn’t an angel 

He doesn’t understand.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

43 minutes ago, NewEra said:

“So dumb. Unbelievably bad.   McDermotts another dud. 20 year drought, mark it down-“- ScottLaw 

 

oh it’s marked down alright. 
 

he broke the 20 year drought in a year where he traded away all of his best players.  In a year where everyone thought we were tanking.  He and Beane have been masterful in their rebuild.  The only thing yet TBD is whether or not Josh Allen is the right guy to deliver them the Lombardi.  Nearly everything else they’ve done has been on point imo.  

There are a few more steps from wild card loss to super bowl win ask Marvin Lewis. I really hope McDs extremely poor record against playoff teams is not typical going forward. 
 

for me it’s hard to imagine 3-4 wins in a row in the playoffs when they’re 3-17(?) against teams that end up making it to the postseason. I really hope I’m wrong. I’m excited to see how they do against teams like SF and KC this year. 
 

as for Sammy, it’s hard to put up with that type of behavior from someone. But they kept Zay Jones despite his off field incident. I’m over it now but I felt the trade was the wrong move at the time. I don’t think it would’ve worked out here with him since he was so unhappy and no 5th year option, but you can’t deny his playoff success 2 years in a row. I just wish they would’ve tried with him like they did with a much less talented Zay. 
 

[Lurker]

The article is a tremendous indictment of Whaley.    Sammy's immaturity and off-field issues should absolutely have been identified in the pre-draft process, especially when the plan was to draft him so high.   

 

It's the same thing that happened with the Mike Williams pick under Tom Donahoe.     Too much focus put on physical skills, not nearly enough on mental, social and motivational attributes.   

 

Thankfully, McD and Beane "get it" in this regard.     What's so hard to believe is that in a multi-billion dollar business like the NFL, so few teams seem to understand this... 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Lurker

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, Chemical said:

There are a few more steps from wild card loss to super bowl win ask Marvin Lewis. I really hope McDs extremely poor record against playoff teams is not typical going forward. 
 

for me it’s hard to imagine 3-4 wins in a row in the playoffs when they’re 3-17(?) against teams that end up making it to the postseason. I really hope I’m wrong. I’m excited to see how they do against teams like SF and KC this year. 
 

as for Sammy, it’s hard to put up with that type of behavior from someone. But they kept Zay Jones despite his off field incident. I’m over it now but I felt the trade was the wrong move at the time. I don’t think it would’ve worked out here with him since he was so unhappy and no 5th year option, but you can’t deny his playoff success 2 years in a row. I just wish they would’ve tried with him like they did with a much less talented Zay. 
 

Sammy claimed Sean was full of negative energy and he wanted out. I’m sure that showed up on the practice field. on the practice field Zay received high praise, and even still it didn’t stop them from moving on for a little more than nothing. At least the bills got a decent corner out of a 1 year Sammy rental.

 

besides Diggs is better. 

[Big Turk]

46 minutes ago, billykay said:

I don't know who you know, but imho they all have mental health issues.

 

Maybe. But when one described a person who was standing next to me as a perfect description of my grandmother(down to a very unique necklace she wore all the time) who they had never met or even seen in a picture and I had never talked about with them about her and they didn't know any of my other friends who had, it kind of forces you to rethink things.

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by matter2003

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Sammy claimed Sean was full of negative energy and he wanted out. I’m sure that showed up on the practice field. on the practice field Zay received high praise, and even still it didn’t stop them from moving on for a little more than nothing. At least the bills got a decent corner out of a 1 year Sammy rental.

 

besides Diggs is better. 

Aka Sean actually had expectations and Rexapalooza was over 

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Aka Sean actually had expectations and Rexapalooza was over 

 

LOL, I do love that term.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

21 minutes ago, Lurker said:

The article is a tremendous indictment of Whaley.    Sammy's immaturity and off-field issues should absolutely have been identified in the pre-draft process, especially when the plan was to draft him so high.   

 

It's the same thing that happened with the Mike Williams pick under Tom Donahoe.     Too much focus put on physical skills, not nearly enough on mental, social and motivational attributes.   

 

Thankfully, McD and Beane "get it" in this regard.     What's so hard to believe is that in a multi-billion dollar business like the NFL, so few teams seem to understand this... 

 

 

Ahhhh Whales.... he meant well anyway  ? 

[krf139]

This article should be sent to any free agent who thinks you can’t have fun in Buffalo as marketing material.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Ego much " my soul went into other people when they scored" delusional.

 

 

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, Chemical said:

There are a few more steps from wild card loss to super bowl win ask Marvin Lewis. I really hope McDs extremely poor record against playoff teams is not typical going forward. 
 

for me it’s hard to imagine 3-4 wins in a row in the playoffs when they’re 3-17(?) against teams that end up making it to the postseason. I really hope I’m wrong. I’m excited to see how they do against teams like SF and KC this year. 
 

as for Sammy, it’s hard to put up with that type of behavior from someone. But they kept Zay Jones despite his off field incident. I’m over it now but I felt the trade was the wrong move at the time. I don’t think it would’ve worked out here with him since he was so unhappy and no 5th year option, but you can’t deny his playoff success 2 years in a row. I just wish they would’ve tried with him like they did with a much less talented Zay. 
 

I hear ya.  When looking at his record vs playoff teams in the last 3 years, I’d like for you to compare the talent level of McDs teams vs those playoff teams that he was facing.  
 

Year 1:  our talent level was so bad everyone said we were tanking and would have a top 3 pick.  McDermott made the playoffs.  We had the worst WRs in the league imo.  

 

Year 2:   Our raw rookie QB that needed a LOT of work was pressed into playing and missed multiple games Due to injury.  Peterman, Barkley and derek Anderson started games.  Again, we had the worst WR unit in the league as well as one of the worst OLs/running game ever. 55 mill in dead cap.

 

 

Year 3:  top 5 D.  Improving JA, OL, WR, add singletary.  Minus Castillo.  Our roster is in the conversation with other playoff teams.  We lost vs the Texans but we’re right there.

 

year 4:  on paper, we’re one of the more talented rosters in the league.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Seriously, how do you ignore the fact this guy had so many bad influences around him.   Not to mention the fact he is pretty clearly bi-polar.   Wow

 

and rex was probably the worst coach for him. Watkins needs tight reigns not free wheeling.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

How many times did I hear "Watkins didn't want to be here" was just a stupid excuse because of the stupid decision Beane made trading him away?

 

Reemerging in July, Watkins felt nothing but bad energy from new Bills head coach Sean McDermott. Like McDermott was testing him, triggering him, waging a "mental war" to make him explode. Watkins never demanded a trade, but he wanted out. Needed out. Literally stared into a mirror in his St. John Fisher College dorm room at Bills training camp and prayed, nightly, Get me out of here. Please, God

 

clearly delusional.

 

where did that quote come from?

 

 

[somnus00]

5 hours ago, SWATeam said:

No way to deny the mental softness now.

 

Can't believe Whaley made that investment in this character.  

 

And in a receiver who had a route tree, at Clemson, that consisted of 80% WR screens.

[K-9]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Then the title of the thread should be changed...

Where did I suggest that?

In your response to @NewEra’s post referencing your August 2017 take on how dumb McDermott was for trading Watkins. You defended that take by citing Sammy’s play in KC’s Super Bowl victory three seasons after the fact. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

no pity from me. course, lest not forget sammy, to  “continue working y'all little jobs for the rest of y'all lives”.

 

 

no, he should get no more pity then big stuff did. nobody considered what was going on in his head anymore then they did sammys. you see a number and a player, what goes on behind closed doors is not often revealed.

 

we all carry baggage, just some more then others.

 

 

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, somnus00 said:

 

And in a receiver who had a route tree, at Clemson, that consisted of 80% WR screens.

He’s a supremely talented athlete.  Not many WRs have his combination of speed, strength, explosiveness and strong hands. He’s going to be as good as sammy wants to be. Unfortunately for Sammy, his mental state seems to be getting in the way of him becoming great. In my opinion of course.  
 

there’s no denying that he has elite talent

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

The song driven by demons by pantera comes to mind.

 

 

When he say God could be the the devil who knows and then talks about an evil serpent in his mind. Hey Sammy, dont you think that message is coming from the devil??. Lay off the drugs and read your own comments and you will see what your problem is.

 

 

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

no pity from me. course, lest not forget sammy, to  “continue working y'all little jobs for the rest of y'all lives”.

 

 

no, he should get no more pity then big stuff did. nobody considered what was going on in his head anymore then they did sammys. you see a number and a player, what goes on behind closed doors is not often revealed.

 

we all carry baggage, just some more then others.

 

 

When he got traded, this was the one thing that I kept turning to when I wanted to feel better about the trade.  In hindsight, dude was getting wrecked on the reg and sleeping 2 hours a night.  All while seeing aliens

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

When he got traded, this was the one thing that I kept turning to when I wanted to feel better about the trade.  In hindsight, dude was getting wrecked on the reg and sleeping 2 hours a night.  All while seeing aliens

I've known something was up for years

 

Sammy would cryptically post things on Twitter like praise the great Ahmen and weird**** like that

 

Hell he actually said I'm not human and I think he honestly believed it

 

I knew he was dealing with demons in his head

Edited May 12, 2020 by Buffalo716

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Lurker said:

The article is a tremendous indictment of Whaley.    Sammy's immaturity and off-field issues should absolutely have been identified in the pre-draft process, especially when the plan was to draft him so high.  

 

 

Maybe, but do you really think the likes of OBJ, Kelvin Benjamin, or even notorious hot-head Mike Evans gave much better interviews?

[FluffHead]

Are they saying that the Bills had interest in bringing him back during free agency?  That is surprising to me 

 

“There's no doubt in his mind: He is in control. Even when McDermott's Bills show interest, Watkins vows he could make that work if he wanted to, easily, because he now knows how to navigate through all dark energy. But why run? Why hide?”

Edited May 12, 2020 by FluffHead

[Lurker]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Maybe, but do you really think the likes of OBJ, Kelvin Benjamin, or even notorious hot-head Mike Evans gave much better interviews?

 

I only care about how the Bills draft--taking into account the factors I mentioned.     If other teams screw up, that's actually a good thing for us....

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I get this.  But I hope you’re sitting down, athletes do a lot of terrible stuff off the field.  I could give a list of Buffalo athletes that I know who liked to ski and weren’t at holiday valley.  Difference is Sammy admitted it.  

This is disappointing on multiple levels.  I was a big time Sammy supporter amidst the critics here and had no idea he was squandering his talent partying.  It also hurts that he never cut me in.  I almost bought his jersey for christs sake (until I remembered wearing jerseys was for children and slow adults) and he couldn't even spare a lousy key bump?!?!?!  

 

But what hurts the most, is the lack of respect!

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

I only care about how the Bills draft--taking into account the factors I mentioned.     If other teams screw up, that's actually a good thing for us....

 

Well, that's my point. If you sat down with all of them in 2014, they all probably sounded as nuts as the last one. At that point, you take the most physically gifted and hope for the best.

 

Not excusing, just explaining. Or rather, BSing. lol

Just now, Jauronimo said:

This is disappointing on multiple levels.  I was a big time Sammy supporter amidst the critics here and had no idea he was squandering his talent partying.  It also hurts that he never cut me in.  I almost bought his jersey for christs sake (until I remembered wearing jerseys was for children and slow adults) and he couldn't even spare a lousy key bump?!?!?!  

 

But what hurts the most, is the lack of respect!

 

You dont want any of that dirty Chip Strip coke anyways. Most of it is drywall dust that has been scraped from the men's room wall inside McMonkeez.

 

That's probably what did his body in more than anything.

[Logic]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

If we had Sammy, we beat the Jags.  The one good thing Tyrod did in the passing game was throw to Sammy.  But we had Jordan Matthews and fat Kelvin. 

 

No guarantee we would have even made the playoffs that year if the trade hadn’t happened, given that EJ Gaines played a critical role in our defensive success.

[Augie]

I don’t know, if he’s got Clarity now, maybe we give up a 2nd and a 5th to get him back?    

 

 

 

Mental health is no joke. I feel for the guy, and for those around him. That is some way out stuff. 

[skibum]

Wow, I didn’t know he was drinking so hard in Buffalo. What a waste of talent. And money, and draft capital.