Jetnation sure does not lack any confidence

[saundena]

https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/152094-jets-open-season-in-buffalo-per-manish/

 

I'm also so sick of hearing them say how they woulda won if Darnold wasn't dying of mono and how Mosley getting inured allowed Buffalo to come back in the 4th. The Jet offense did nothing that game.  They only scored because of flukey turnover.  We at least moved the ball on their defense pretty well, all game long.

Edited May 7, 2020 by saundena
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[Buffalo_Stampede]

Last year was last year. 

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, saundena said:

https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/152094-jets-open-season-in-buffalo-per-manish/

 

I'm also so sick of hearing them say how they woulda won if Darnold wasn't dying of mono and how Mosley getting inured allowed Buffalo to come back in the 4th. The Jet offense did nothing that game.  They only scored because of flukey turnover.  We at least moved the ball on their defense pretty well, all game long.

Usually the team that turns it over 4 times loses. Winning that game was the fluke. 

[Prospector]

Juck the Fets... end discussion

[Franco_92]

Josh's turnovers that game really were flukes. That batted pass INT might have been the only batted pass he threw all year. (Not literally, but close to it). Meanwhile, Darnold had like 6 of them batted down in that game, all falling harmlessly to the turf. The other INT, which Cole volleyed up to Mosely who was about 10 feet away, was also incredibly fluky. The Jets couldn't win that game despite extraordinary luck themselves, forget about a MLB missing a quarter. 

Josh turned the ball over 13 times last season. A third of his total turnover production came in one game on fluke plays versus the Jets, and they still couldn't win. They ***** suck, their coach ***** sucks, their QB is promising but timid right now and will not be able to handle our defense, just like he couldn't last season, and they still don't have an offensive line or WRs, or presence on the outsides of their defense. Their unnoteworthy fanbase's spewing of irrational garbage doesn't even deserve our glance 

I mean really. outside of that game, Josh had 9 turnovers in 15 games. Sam had 16 in 12. This shows that it was luck, and reversion took place as the course of the season played out, and ours went in a positive direction while theirs tanked. the Jests were the lucky ones that Sunday, and still couldn't manage to pull out the game, at home. They seriously ***** suck and are pathetic 

Edited May 7, 2020 by arcane

[Warcodered]

It does explain how Jets fans can stay positive every year.

 

[SCBills]

It seems far too familiar hearing them talk up their skill position players going into this year.... Definitely sounds a lot like us pre-2019/20 trying to convince ourselves that our players "might" actually be good.

 

I don't think Bell/Gore and Mims/Perriman/Crowder/Herndon are scaring too many DC's.    Darnold "could" step up, and Bell "could" regain his form, and with a better OL, Mims "could" be a rookie revelation while Perriman "could" have found himself late last year.....but that's a lot of "could's".

[Gugny]

32 minutes ago, saundena said:

https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/152094-jets-open-season-in-buffalo-per-manish/

 

I'm also so sick of hearing them say how they woulda won if Darnold wasn't dying of mono and how Mosley getting inured allowed Buffalo to come back in the 4th. The Jet offense did nothing that game.  They only scored because of flukey turnover.  We at least moved the ball on their defense pretty well, all game long.

 

They're right.  If Darnold and Mosley both played (a full game), Jets would have won.  

 

But it's a mute point, now.

[whatdrought]

26 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Usually the team that turns it over 4 times loses. Winning that game was the fluke. 

 

 

Or a demonstration of what a complete flaming pile of poo that Jets team was.... 

 

 

 

Also, the best part of that thread is the Manish hatred. 

[Ecmic82]

28 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Usually the team that turns it over 4 times loses. Winning that game was the fluke. 

Bills were -3 in turnovers that game, but if I remember correctly the Jets “fumbled” on a wide receiver lateral on the last play of the game deep in their own half of the field, so practically Buffalo played a -4 turnover game.

 

There were 12 games last year with a turnover differential of 4 or more, and the team in the negative lost all 12 of those games. Average margin of victory was over 19 points.

 

it funny Jets fans try to find the silver lining in that game, when the fact is they were unable to do what literally every other team (even Jacksonville!) that was spotted four turnovers was able to do: handily beat their opponent.

 

(and the Jets defense scored 8 points! Has a team ever lost with a +4 turnover margin and 8 defensive points scored???)

Edited May 7, 2020 by Ecmic82

[Brennan Huff]

31 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Usually the team that turns it over 4 times loses. Winning that game was the fluke. 

I mean, you’re not wrong. We had no business winning that game really. There were several games like that last year. But they say good teams find ways to win

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

38 minutes ago, saundena said:

https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/152094-jets-open-season-in-buffalo-per-manish/

 

I'm also so sick of hearing them say how they woulda won if Darnold wasn't dying of mono and how Mosley getting inured allowed Buffalo to come back in the 4th. The Jet offense did nothing that game.  They only scored because of flukey turnover.  We at least moved the ball on their defense pretty well, all game long.

 

I mean buffalo had 4 decent drives in the first half.  2 fluky INTs, a bobbled snap, a classic allen fumble (he needs work on those), even an unsportsmanlike conduct to knock them out of FG range.  Not moving the ball?  They had almost 200 yards at half.  

Edited May 7, 2020 by dneveu

[Alphadawg7]

40 minutes ago, saundena said:

https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/152094-jets-open-season-in-buffalo-per-manish/

 

I'm also so sick of hearing them say how they woulda won if Darnold wasn't dying of mono and how Mosley getting inured allowed Buffalo to come back in the 4th. The Jet offense did nothing that game.  They only scored because of flukey turnover.  We at least moved the ball on their defense pretty well, all game long.

 

The best part about that stupid mono argument they have is that Josh was not the same player that game as he was after the week 4 Pats loss either.  Josh went on to account for 21 more TDs and just 3 turnovers from week 5 on, second only to Lamar too in TD's.  

 

Not to mention, they are grossly over exaggerating the condition of Darnold week 1.  

 

F the Jets...cant wait to curb stomp them and watch our deep DL dominate that poor OL and put Darnold on his back in between the plays our secondary is feasting on him seeing ghosts and picking off his passes.  

Edited May 7, 2020 by Alphadawg7

[Greg S]

If w can get the same kind of defensive performance from week one last year we win this game easily. Remember a few things:
1. The Bills QB is Josh Allen
2. Josh Allen is very bad. Contain Allen and force him to make plays out of the pocket,
3. Greg Williams is very good.
4. Our defense is very good.
5. Our QB will not be playing with mono.
6. Our offense only needs to be slightly terrible to have a chance of winning.
We start 1 and 0 and on September 14 I expect to see many we are going to the super bowl threads on this forum. I will look forward too that.

 

 

The above comes from a poster on ganggreen.com. LOL they are delusional

[Don Otreply]

30 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Usually the team that turns it over 4 times loses. Winning that game was the fluke. 

 You are wrong, two teams played under the same circumstances, and one failed to perform well enough during all four quarters, so the other team won, it just showed how bad the jets team was, that and injures are not an excuse, next man up.  

[Warcodered]

14 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

They're right.  If Darnold and Mosley both played (a full game), Jets would have won.  

 

But it's a mute point, now.

That's kind of hard to say the Bills were moving the ball throughout the game with some flukey turnovers biting them in the 1st half. Hard to say how well Darnold would of done since he never played the Bills 1st team defense without Mono I guess but his performance against the backups wasn't exactly inspiring.

Edited May 7, 2020 by Warcodered

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

 You are wrong, two teams played under the same circumstances, and one failed to perform well enough during all four quarters, so the other team won, it just showed how bad the jets team was, that and injures are not an excuse, next man up.  

You are ignoring 50 years of football history with this take. The Bills stole that victory, which was awesome. But the Jets fans are right, they should have won that game.

 

Also, injuries aren’t an excuse, unless Josh gets hurt in the 4th Q in a close game against the Pats, then it’s “we would have won if Josh didn’t get cheapshotted!!!!”

[MJS]

They have a point on Mosley, though. He was flying all over the field making plays for them. I think it did play a factor in the Bills coming back.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

Neither Allen or Darnold have shown that cold blooded killer instinct to put the dagger into their good friends heart when playing against each other.

 

Maybe that’s a Millennial/Generation Z psychological thing that just prevents either from really TKO the other.

 

2018 - Allen couldn’t put Darnold away up 14-3

2019 - Darnold couldn’t put Allen away up 16-0

 

i get that...some of my worst golf or poker is against my best friends...just don’t want to embarrass them or pulverize them.

 

i expect many close games between the great friends.  Based partially on their unwillingness to finish the other off.

[Don Otreply]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

You are ignoring 50 years of football history with this take. The Bills stole that victory, which was awesome. But the Jets fans are right, they should have won that game.

 

Also, injuries aren’t an excuse, unless Josh gets hurt in the 4th Q in a close game against the Pats, then it’s “we would have won if Josh didn’t get cheapshotted!!!!”

just busting your chops, dude ?, I’ll work on my sarcasm more,   but is still showed how poor a team the jets were to lose that game, so we ended up the better team that day,  and I agree on the pats game, it was an intensional head shot. And imo injures are sometimes a valid excuse, just not always the full reason for a loss,  just razing those that love to say “injuries are not an excuse” 

A sixteen point lead erased, we’ve been on the other side too... for much the same reasons, as you know. 

 

Go Bills!!!

 

[Process]

True

- bills were lucky to win week one last year

 

Also true

- Jets barely beat the bills backups in what was a meaningless game to buffalo

- bills have a much better roster

- bills have a much better coaching staff

- bills are clearly the better team in almost every way

 

I'm not worried.

 

Edited May 7, 2020 by Process

[Kirby Jackson]

They just aren’t very good. I think Darnold is pretty good. Adams is great. Mosley is a nice player too. They have Adam Gase as their head coach and no weapons. They are another 6ish win team.

[YoloinOhio]

The Bills will be favored by a TD

[Doc]

18 minutes ago, Process said:

True

- bills were lucky to win week one last year

 

Also true

- Jets barely beat the bills backups in what was a meaningfulless game to buffalo

- bills have a much better roster

- bills have a much better coaching staff

- bills are clearly the better team in almost every way

 

I'm not worried.

 

FIFY.  And good point.  injuries happen so what happened to Mosley is just the breaks.  But the Bills would have beaten them in the season-ender so no net change last year.

 

[John from Riverside]

It must really suck to be a jet fan......the pats are on their way down finally......the bills have made the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years and are trending up....Miami seems to have gotten a clue and just drafted their qb finally

 

Then you have the jets.....who will probably be good for around 2 wins for everybody in the AFC East

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I expect another down for year for them and Gase to be fired after the season... but they could easily turn it around in one year with the right HC hire for the 2021 season because they have their QB in place for a long time, IMO.

The problem for them is....they dont make good decisions in that department.

[Kirby Jackson]

They don’t seem that overconfident to me. I mean there are some dumb things being said on there (I.e. the Jets got a lot better and the Bills are treading water). If you call acquiring the best WR in the division “treading water” sure I guess. The Bills will be about a 6 point favorite and SHOULD cover imo. The shorter the offseason the more the early season favors the Bills. They are returning their whole OL, QB and coaching staff. Those are the areas that take the most time to come together. 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They don’t seem that overconfident to me. I mean there are some dumb things being said on there (I.e. the Jets got a lot better and the Bills are treading water). If you call acquiring the best WR in the division “treading water” sure I guess. The Bills will be about a 6 point favorite and SHOULD cover imo. The shorter the offseason the more the early season favors the Bills. They are returning their whole OL, QB and coaching staff. Those are the areas that take the most time to come together. 

Right the most change the Bills have is on D-line and several of the guys they brought in already have familiarity with the system.

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They don’t seem that overconfident to me. I mean there are some dumb things being said on there (I.e. the Jets got a lot better and the Bills are treading water). If you call acquiring the best WR in the division “treading water” sure I guess. The Bills will be about a 6 point favorite and SHOULD cover imo. The shorter the offseason the more the early season favors the Bills. They are returning their whole OL, QB and coaching staff. Those are the areas that take the most time to come together. 

Good point. They've also signed a number of free agents already familiar with McD's system. (Well, posted at same time as Warcodered. Hence, the echo, but it's still a relevant observation.)

Edited May 7, 2020 by Dr. Who

[JoeF]

I have some empathy for Jets fans.  We were looking for hope not so long ago as well and grasping at any activity as our ticket to the post season....glad we are past that phase for the time being.

 

I thought Joe Douglas did a serviceable job in the draft this year.  In addition to the core of Darnold, Bell -- they stole the strategy from Beane of signing some mid tier OL in bulk to upgrade and added Becton in the Draft.  I think Mims was a good pick as well...however I don't necessarily think they made substantial improvements.  I think the Bills are pretty significantly improved even accounting for the losses of Lawson, Phillips and Alexander on D....

 

For the Jets, I think Gase is their "Rex Ryan" coach....a name with experience but just not a good fit for the team and actually a deterrent to progress.  I thought Gase was going to be a good head coach when Miami got him -- I was really wrong.

[Golden*Wheels]

20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They just aren’t very good. I think Darnold is pretty good. Adams is great. Mosley is a nice player too. They have Adam Gase as their head coach and no weapons. They are another 6ish win team.

 

I think it all kinds of starts and ends there. They could clearly beat us in a game, it's the NFL...but as long as mr. magoo is their HC, i see no actual sustained success for them.

 

 

[Golden Goat]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

If w can get the same kind of defensive performance from week one last year we win this game easily. Remember a few things:
1. The Bills QB is Josh Allen
2. Josh Allen is very bad. Contain Allen and force him to make plays out of the pocket,
3. Greg Williams is very good.
4. Our defense is very good.
5. Our QB will not be playing with mono.
6. Our offense only needs to be slightly terrible to have a chance of winning.
We start 1 and 0 and on September 14 I expect to see many we are going to the super bowl threads on this forum. I will look forward too that.

 

 

The above comes from a poster on ganggreen.com. LOL they are delusional

7. Our coach is Gase.

How come that didn't make the cut?

[BigdaddyinOrlando]

God I despise the Jets as much as the pats solely because of their fans! Started with that Jackass firemen Fred asshat and his stupid chant crap! Makes my blood pressure rise thinking of it! They suck and will always suck !! 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, Golden Goat said:

7. Our coach is Gase.

How come that didn't make the cut?

Oh right I almost forgot with Gase's general craziness that McDermott seems to rent space in his head.

[Greg S]

3 minutes ago, Golden Goat said:

7. Our coach is Gase.

How come that didn't make the cut?

 

Why let reality ruin a delusional post. Also no mention of how the Bills D is better. Darnold will be seeing ghosts (part 2) as well as eating New Era turf all day long.  A very early prediction.... Sabres 24 Islanders 7.

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Brennan Huff said:

I mean, you’re not wrong. We had no business winning that game really. There were several games like that last year. But they say good teams find ways to win

Didn't the Jets also miss a PAT and a couple of FGs?

[Lurker]

26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The Bills will be favored by a TD

 

At the least, given McD and staff have a whole training camp to gameplan against a well-known opponent....   

[LABILLBACKER]

We have a better organization than the Jesters. We have a better defense. We have a better HC & GM. And in another year we'll have the better qb as they'll be stuck with another failed USC qb. They are irrelevant. 

[FLFan]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Usually the team that turns it over 4 times loses. Winning that game was the fluke. 

Or Adam Gase and the Jets are just that bad.  The Bills won because thy were the better team.  No fluke.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Neither Allen or Darnold have shown that cold blooded killer instinct to put the dagger into their good friends heart when playing against each other.

 

Maybe that’s a Millennial/Generation Z psychological thing that just prevents either from really TKO the other.

 

2018 - Allen couldn’t put Darnold away up 14-3

2019 - Darnold couldn’t put Allen away up 16-0

 

i get that...some of my worst golf or poker is against my best friends...just don’t want to embarrass them or pulverize them.

 

i expect many close games between the great friends.  Based partially on their unwillingness to finish the other off.

You realize that they don't face each other on the field, right? Allen doesn't face Darnold, he faces the Jets defense. You think the fact that they are friends means he doesn't play as hard against the Jets defense?