Jetnation sure does not lack any confidence

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

They have a point on Mosley, though. He was flying all over the field making plays for them. I think it did play a factor in the Bills coming back.

He was on the field for the Bills moving the ball at will too.

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

You realize that they don't face each other on the field, right? Allen doesn't face Darnold, he faces the Jets defense. You think the fact that they are friends means he doesn't play as hard against the Jets defense?

 

If Allen and Darnold both reach their potential then this will be a Kelly/Marino situation all over again. Jim and Dan were/are good friends but both were competitive as hell. It made for some great Bills-Dolphins games. Maybe the same happens with the Bills-Jets.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

They're right.  If Darnold and Mosley both played (a full game), Jets would have won.  

 

But it's a mute point, now.

 

Darnold did play a full game.

 

Memory's failing you there, pops.

 

 

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

If Allen and Darnold both reach their potential then this will be a Kelly/Marino situation all over again. Jim and Dan were/are good friends but both were competitive as hell. It made for some great Bills-Dolphins games. Maybe the same happens with the Bills-Jets.

Agreed. I don't know a ton about Darnold, but anyone questioning Allen's competitive fire needs to pay closer attention.

[billsfan89]

The Jets starters vs. the Bills starters were about even maybe slightly in favor of the Bills. But the Jets built a top heavy team in 2019 susceptible to injuries due to lack of depth. The Bills roster was built to be deep on both lines and have a lot of roster flexibility. The Jets sustained a few key injuries and their team fell apart. That's poor roster construction in the NFL esp when you have a QB on a rookie deal. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

They're right.  If Darnold and Mosley both played (a full game), Jets would have won.  

 

But it's a mute point, now.

And if Josh Allen had not been knocked out of the first Pats game with a questionable head shot, we likely would have been 4-0 after week 4.  

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

12 minutes ago, purple haze said:

He was on the field for the Bills moving the ball at will too.

 

Yep - he just wasn't on the field for the 4 singletary carries in that game.  So obviously him being there means he stops him on all of them. 

[PromoTheRobot]

Jets: #3 playoff drought in the NFL - 9 seasons.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

8 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

The Jets starters vs. the Bills starters were about even maybe slightly in favor of the Bills. But the Jets built a top heavy team in 2019 susceptible to injuries due to lack of depth. The Bills roster was built to be deep on both lines and have a lot of roster flexibility. The Jets sustained a few key injuries and their team fell apart. That's poor roster construction in the NFL esp when you have a QB on a rookie deal. 

 

That and they wasted a ton of money on Bell, who didn't play the year before and was adequately replaced by conner and samuels.  

[billsfan89]

4 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

That and they wasted a ton of money on Bell, who didn't play the year before and was adequately replaced by conner and samuels.  

 

The Jets had a lot of top heavy signings which resulted in a top heavy roster. A roster that was susceptible to injuries. Any amount of injuries can overwhelm a team. However had the Jets been deeper they would have been able to withstand the injuries they did have better and maybe not put themselves in as deep of a hole as they did. I think the Bills had only 2 signings that were 9 million aav or more (Mitch and Brown) whereas the Jets had something like 5-6 in the 2019 off-season. 

Edited May 7, 2020 by billsfan89

[Franco_92]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yes.... the Jets won the turnover battle 4-0 and still lost the game.... it’s really incredible. The Bills offense moved the ball up and down the field for most of the day. Problem was they would often shoot themselves in the foot with somewhat flukey turnovers. The INT returned for a TD by Mosley was a low throw but should’ve been caught by Beasley and a tipped pass at the LOS that was also intercepted. 
 

At halftime I was thinking both teams sucked. When the game ended I thought the Bills snapped out of it and found a way to win the game and the Jets were the same old Jets. 

And even if not caught by Beasley, it should not have been served up like a volleyball prepared for a spike, directly to the center of the field

[Billl]

13 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

And if Josh Allen had not been knocked out of the first Pats game with a questionable head shot, we likely would have been 4-0 after week 4.  

 

 

The game where he was 13-28 with 0 TDs and 3 INTs and a fumble?  Probably not.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Billl said:

The game where he was 13-28 with 0 TDs and 3 INTs and a fumble?  Probably not.

 

He was driving them into the red zone when the pats headhunted him.

 

So yeah, probably yeah they would have.

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 minutes ago, arcane said:

And even if not caught by Beasley, it should not have been served up like a volleyball prepared for a spike, directly to the center of the field

 

Yeah - the announcers tried to put that one on josh... yes, it was low but it should have absolutely been caught, and it was thrown to keep beasley away from the defender.  

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

He was driving them into the red zone when the pats headhunted him.

 

So yeah, probably yeah they would have.

 

Not to mention he'd just driven them down to the goal line and run it in on an earlier drive yeah the momentum was shifting.

[Franco_92]

4 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Yeah - the announcers tried to put that one on josh... yes, it was low but it should have absolutely been caught, and it was thrown to keep beasley away from the defender.  

I'd also agree that throw should be low, Beasley had his feet planted and had 3 defenders converging within 6 yards of him or so. Sit him down there. In no world should a pass that is off the mark by the length of a forearm be blamed for it ending up a pick 15 feet away like it was at the time. NFL QBs miss throws by a foot all the time and most of the time (including with Cole) those misses are unnoticed, because receivers are professionals too. The Jets just got really, really lucky that day in a way that no other Bills opponent saw all season long. And they still lost, because they blow 

Edited May 7, 2020 by arcane

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

He was driving them into the red zone when the pats headhunted him.

 

So yeah, probably yeah they would have.

 

How dare you argue with a stat line supported by zero context?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

How dare you argue with a stat line supported by zero context?

 

I dare. Oh I dare.

 

[Billl]

16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

He was driving them into the red zone when the pats headhunted him.

 

So yeah, probably yeah they would have.

 

Without that hit, it would have been 3rd and 18 from the Buffalo 46.  Allen may have played the worst game I’ve seen a QB play since Peterman’s debacle.  If Josh had another quarter, he may have surpassed that.   (The link to the condensed version of the game is below).  The first quarter was absolutely the worst display of QBing I’ve ever seen, bar none.  I challenge anyone to watch it again and say otherwise.

 

That game wound up costing me a lot of money.  I remember it well.  He was missing receivers by yards on swing passes, deep balls, and sideline routes.  He took horrific sacks where he looked completely lost on the field.  He fumbled twice (one was waived off because of a penalty).  It was abysmal.

 

https://gamepass.nfl.com/game/patriots-at-bills-on-09292019?condensed=true

Edited May 7, 2020 by Billl

[MJS]

29 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Jets: #3 playoff drought in the NFL - 9 seasons.

Their drought hasn't even hit puberty yet. Child's play.

[SCBills]

40 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

The Jets starters vs. the Bills starters were about even maybe slightly in favor of the Bills. But the Jets built a top heavy team in 2019 susceptible to injuries due to lack of depth. The Bills roster was built to be deep on both lines and have a lot of roster flexibility. The Jets sustained a few key injuries and their team fell apart. That's poor roster construction in the NFL esp when you have a QB on a rookie deal. 

Accurate.  Jets starters vs Bills starters in 2019 were probably pretty close, with us having a better OL and coaching.   
 

They built up their OL and depth this past year to be where we were last year, while we continued to draft well, add Diggs, bolster our DL and stay a year or two ahead of them in building a contender. 

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, Billl said:

Without that hit, it would have been 3rd and 18 from the Buffalo 46.  Allen may have played the worst game I’ve seen a QB play since Peterman’s debacle.  If Josh had another quarter, he may have surpassed that.   (The link to the condensed version of the game is below).  The first quarter was absolutely the worst display of QBing I’ve ever seen, bar none.  I challenge anyone to watch it again and say otherwise.

 

That game wound up costing me a lot of money.  I remember it well.  He was missing receivers by yards on swing passes, deep balls, and sideline routes.  He took horrific sacks where he looked completely lost on the field.  He fumbled twice (one was waived off because of a penalty).  It was abysmal.

 

https://gamepass.nfl.com/game/patriots-at-bills-on-09292019?condensed=true

How did this game end up costing you a lot of money? I bet this one totally Bills side and didn't lose that much, the price was great

[thebandit27]

25 minutes ago, Billl said:

The game where he was 13-28 with 0 TDs and 3 INTs and a fumble?  Probably not.

Almost certainly.

 

They were on their second consecutive drive deep into Pats territory, and Allen is one of the best RZ QBs in the game.

 

Very good chance they punch it in instead of turning it over on downs from inside the 5.

10 minutes ago, Billl said:

Without that hit, it would have been 3rd and 18 from the Buffalo 46.  Allen may have played the worst game I’ve seen a QB play since Peterman’s debacle.  If Josh had another quarter, he may have surpassed that.   (The link to the condensed version of the game is below).  The first quarter was absolutely the worst display of QBing I’ve ever seen, bar none.  I challenge anyone to watch it again and say otherwise.

 

That game wound up costing me a lot of money.  I remember it well.  He was missing receivers by yards on swing passes, deep balls, and sideline routes.  He took horrific sacks where he looked completely lost on the field.  He fumbled twice (one was waived off because of a penalty).  It was abysmal.

 

https://gamepass.nfl.com/game/patriots-at-bills-on-09292019?condensed=true

You’re overstating, and you’re forgetting that they got inside the 5 and didn’t score right after that.

 

Was there a series Allen played in 2019 where they didn’t score from inside the 5?

[Gugny]

44 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

And if Josh Allen had not been knocked out of the first Pats game with a questionable head shot, we likely would have been 4-0 after week 4.  

 

 

 

I agree.  Love the username, too!!!!

[Billl]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

How did this game end up costing you a lot of money? I bet this one totally Bills side and didn't lose that much, the price was great

I put a pretty sizeable bet on the Bills to win the AFCE before the season.  If they had won that game, I believe they would have played their starters in week 17, beat the Jets, and finished tied with New England.  They would have been 5-1 in the division and won the tie breaker.

[GoBills808]

Just now, Billl said:

I put a pretty sizeable bet on the Bills to win the AFCE before the season.  If they had won that game, I believe they would have played their starters in week 17, beat the Jets, and finished tied with New England.  They would have been 5-1 in the division and won the tie breaker.

lmao that's a stretch to say that game cost you 

[Billl]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

lmao that's a stretch to say that game cost you 

For sure, but it’s not a stretch to say that’s why it’s burned into my memory.  Things work both ways, but you always remember the losses better.  I had a much larger bet on the Bills winning over 6.5 games, and I remember feeling like stealing the week 1 Jets game iced that one.  (It still didn’t pay as much as the division win would have, though.)

[GoBills808]

Just now, Billl said:

For sure, but it’s not a stretch to say that’s why it’s burned into my memory.  Things work both ways, but you always remember the losses better.  I had a much larger bet on the Bills winning over 6.5 games, and I remember feeling like stealing the week 1 Jets game iced that one.  (It still didn’t pay as much as the division win would have, though.)

I spread over 22 units on the moneyline that week and didn't blink iirc, I think I was getting like +275 at WORST...plus they covered so basically a wash

 

Just had a hard time believing a Bills fan could have lost too much on that game in particular. I remember thinking it was a lock at the time and it turned out to be exactly that. Could have been the highlight of the season wagering-wise tbh

[Brennan Huff]

31 minutes ago, MJS said:

Their drought hasn't even hit puberty yet. Child's play.

The Jets even suck at playoff droughts. Amateurs 

[PromoTheRobot]

33 minutes ago, MJS said:

Their drought hasn't even hit puberty yet. Child's play.

 

The Browns have the 17-year badge of honor right now.

[clearwater cadet]

It on like Donkey Kong!!!!!

[Billl]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I spread over 22 units on the moneyline that week and didn't blink iirc, I think I was getting like +275 at WORST...plus they covered so basically a wash

 

Just had a hard time believing a Bills fan could have lost too much on that game in particular. I remember thinking it was a lock at the time and it turned out to be exactly that. Could have been the highlight of the season wagering-wise tbh

I’m a Chiefs fan.  I became a Bills follower because of the two bets I placed prior to the season, and I didn’t have any action on any individual Buffalo games last season.  Going into the season, I saw NE as a 10-6 team and Buffalo as an 8 or 9 win team.  When I made the bet, Buffalo was +1700, so I put $250 on them.  That number dropped to around 1200 by the time the season started IIRC.  Their win total was 6.5 and I pounded the hell out of that.  It moved to 7 and might have even touched 7.5 at one point.

 

New England shocked me by looking like a juggernaut to start the season, but they wound up being about who I expected by the time the season ended.  I vastly underestimated their defense and special teams’ ability to pull games out of the fire.  I’m not the first guy to get burned betting against BB, but I still feel like it was a good value at those odds.

[GoBills808]

wtf is it with Chiefs fans on this messageboard lmao

[BillsFanNC]

When you watch sports for long enough you realize that there are infinite shoulda woulda scenarios for every team. Enjoy the wins, accept the losses and move on.

[iinii]

How could they not? They got Spags!

8 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

When you watch sports for long enough you realize that there are infinite shoulda woulda scenarios for every team. Enjoy the wins, accept the losses and move on.

Losing is unacceptable!

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

They got inside the 15 because Barkley hit on a 28 yard pass on 3rd and 8 the play after Allen got knocked out of the game.... think it’s a little much to say they win that game if Allen stays in but still like their chances better with Allen in there than Barkley obviously.

Allen was terrific all year on 3rd and longs. 

[Sig1Hunter]

Woulda coulda shoulda...

 

(this applies to both games being argued about)

 

Scoreboard.

[thebandit27]

20 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They got inside the 15 because Barkley hit on a 28 yard pass on 3rd and 8 the play after Allen got knocked out of the game.... think it’s a little much to say they win that game if Allen stays in but still like their chances better with Allen in there than Barkley obviously.

That play was also called DPI. Nice ball by Matt but pretty fair to assume they get the 3rd down conversion there regardless.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Agreed. I don't know a ton about Darnold, but anyone questioning Allen's competitive fire needs to pay closer attention.

The last thing Darnold has ever appeared to have is competitive fire. He always appears to be either going down for or waking up from a nap. 

[Prospector]

LOL:

 

From my recollection, we only scored on very random turnovers, and the Bills were driving the field the entire game. Once they decided to use Singletery, we were done for. They definitely seemed to out match us all game long, and it caught up to us by the end of the game. I think if this game went a couple more quarters, they would have doubled us up on points.

 

who posted that?