YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Officially toast 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 RIP, March 2019 - April 2020. Lived a full, illustrious life. It will be missed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Did the replay ever once change the call on the field? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 It was basically a one year olive branch for Saints fans. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 The way it happened was a joke anyways. The refs hardly overturned any call and did so on purpose because they didn't want it. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Thank goodness. Yet another stupid idea born out of hysterical overreaction. Now let's get rid of reply entirely. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Seems the way to go. No point in caring THAT MUCH over who wins or loses a game. Its a non-essential profession after all. So basically just entertainment. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Lead suspect? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Did the replay ever once change the call on the field? I can't recall any instances where PI was overturned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 It COULD have been an effective rule if the officials were actually willing to use it objectively. They seemed hell bent on ensuring calls were not changed. 13 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Watching obvious PI not get overturned was a joke. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 The ridiculous standard for overturn is what killed this rule. If the standard was "get the call right" it would have been more successful than "change the call only if the official royally screwed up and you don't want to be his friend any more." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) honestly - i hated it as a review. Just add a sky judge in the ear of all the refs to help with judgement calls. Id rather a late flag come in than waiting for head ref to put a headset on, grab a tablet and all that crap. Can probably help with some of the bad phantom calls too Edited May 7, 2020 by dneveu 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I wish they would just centralize the video review process. If the color guys can figure out PI from replay while the officials are still huddling then I do not see why the head office could not cover PI, personal fouls, spot of the ball, catch/drop, down/not down in real time. Get the call right on field as fast as possible. Having the refs go under that ridiculous curtain to review a play is asinine. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 It was purposely set up to fail. Putting the union boss (Riveron) in a position where he had to undermine his constituents on live TV was never going to work. The NFL doesn't care, it prints money with little regard or concern for the integrity of the game. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Now get rid of ALL the replay crap and things will get better. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Yet another stupid idea born out of hysterical overreaction. 27 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I can't recall any instances where PI was overturned. Not one by my count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I wish they would just centralize the video review process. If the color guys can figure out PI from replay while the officials are still huddling then I do not see why the head office could not cover PI, personal fouls, spot of the ball, catch/drop, down/not down in real time. Get the call right on field as fast as possible. Having the refs go under that ridiculous curtain to review a play is asinine. Who makes the decision on all challenges? Does it go to Al Riveron in NYC, or does the ref of each particular game go under the hood and rule in conjunction with someone in NYC? Sometimes it drags on and on. Most fans who watch enuf football can see from the first replay if not from the play in live time what the correct call should be. The mistake that I find most annoying is when the ref mispots the ball at the end of the play. This happens way too much. There are what 6 or 7 zebras all over the place, and they come running in and miss the spot by close to a yard sometimes. You sit there and scream at the TV, "that's clearly a first down", or he was short by a mile". Mind boggling when they blow the spot. Or when the receiver clearly comes down out of bounds with at least one foot and they call it a catch with the ref right near the receiver. Ugh!! Lets get the call correct the first time. And if not streamline the process. The PI review was a joke. They overturned NOTHING!! Saints got screwed in the playoff game against Minnesota. Kyle Rudolph clearly pushed off when catching the winning TD. That's like in the NHL in an OT playoff game. Guy is on a breakaway and clearly gets pulled down and no call. On another topic just for fun, why is there almost no fighting in NHL Hockey any longer? Anyone have an intelligent answer for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: Not one by my count. I remember seeing it happen. I always thought it was a bad idea. I don't know why people wanted it. Officiating is always going to have human error. League needs to have some sort of consequences for bad calls though. Maybe make officials face the media after a game. Edited May 7, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 It only did not work because the officials decided to kill it and the NFL allowed that to happen. There were so many bad PI calls or non-calls that were challenged and the answer was clear as day to over turn the call on the field, and they simply refused. Refs get an F for the borderline criminal handling of the challenges, and the NFL gets an F for allowing it to happen and persist. They clearly decided it was not something they wanted and ran it so poorly so that no one would ever want it back. There is 0 room for debate on this, Refs tanked this rule and NFL let it happen. Teams on the field paid the price for this. Just appears to be something they did to pretend they cared about the horrible mistake in the Saints/Rams playoff game with NO intention of seeing it last. It was an utter waste to roll it during a season and allow coaches to waste timeouts by believing the challenges would be taken serious and decisions would be made all above board on calls. 10 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Who makes the decision on all challenges? Does it go to Al Riveron in NYC, or does the ref of each particular game go under the hood and rule in conjunction with someone in NYC? Sometimes it drags on and on. Most fans who watch enuf football can see from the first replay if not from the play in live time what the correct call should be. The mistake that I find most annoying is when the ref mispots the ball at the end of the play. This happens way too much. There are what 6 or 7 zebras all over the place, and they come running in and miss the spot by close to a yard sometimes. You sit there and scream at the TV, "that's clearly a first down", or he was short by a mile". Mind boggling when they blow the spot. Or when the receiver clearly comes down out of bounds with at least one foot and they call it a catch with the ref right near the receiver. Ugh!! Lets get the call correct the first time. And if not streamline the process. The PI review was a joke. They overturned NOTHING!! Saints got screwed in the playoff game against Minnesota. Kyle Rudolph clearly pushed off when catching the winning TD. That's like in the NHL in an OT playoff game. Guy is on a breakaway and clearly gets pulled down and no call. On another topic just for fun, why is there almost no fighting in NHL Hockey any longer? Anyone have an intelligent answer for me? I would like to see it go to NYC or have a sky judge at the stadium in a booth with all the replays. Direct communication with the ref on the field. Absolutely not more "going under the hood". Roster spots are too valuable to continue to carry an enforcer when the whole league basically disarmed. Its like why aren't NBA offenses running through dominant centers anymore? The game evolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 53 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Did the replay ever once change the call on the field? 39 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I can't recall any instances where PI was overturned. 12 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: Not one by my count. It happened, I saw it happen multiple times. But the overall success rate was pathetically low, and I know at one point was like under 5%. Don't know where the season finished, but it was a rare overturn to say the least. I can think of more instances where the call clear as day that the challenge should 100% succeed and they still didn't over turn it. This was a hard tank by the Refs and NFL allowed it to happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Who makes the decision on all challenges? Does it go to Al Riveron in NYC, or does the ref of each particular game go under the hood and rule in conjunction with someone in NYC? Sometimes it drags on and on. Most fans who watch enuf football can see from the first replay if not from the play in live time what the correct call should be. The mistake that I find most annoying is when the ref mispots the ball at the end of the play. This happens way too much. There are what 6 or 7 zebras all over the place, and they come running in and miss the spot by close to a yard sometimes. You sit there and scream at the TV, "that's clearly a first down", or he was short by a mile". Mind boggling when they blow the spot. Or when the receiver clearly comes down out of bounds with at least one foot and they call it a catch with the ref right near the receiver. Ugh!! Lets get the call correct the first time. And if not streamline the process. The PI review was a joke. They overturned NOTHING!! Saints got screwed in the playoff game against Minnesota. Kyle Rudolph clearly pushed off when catching the winning TD. That's like in the NHL in an OT playoff game. Guy is on a breakaway and clearly gets pulled down and no call. On another topic just for fun, why is there almost no fighting in NHL Hockey any longer? Anyone have an intelligent answer for me? I just watched the replay of the Bills Steelers game... that last Steelers throw that was intercepted, Jerry Hughes was tackled from behind. It was SO blatantly obvious with a ref staring right at them, that you have to wonder. WHY TF was there no flag there? Seriously, WHY?! WTF are rules for?! Well, in this situation, we don't observe rules... like, wtf, seriously?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, WorstTEever81 said: I just watched the replay of the Bills Steelers game... that last Steelers throw that was intercepted, Jerry Hughes was tackled from behind. It was SO blatantly obvious with a ref staring right at them, that you have to wonder. WHY TF was there no flag there? Seriously, WHY?! WTF are rules for?! Well, in this situation, we don't observe rules... like, wtf, seriously?! Well the Refs hate Jerry. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 44 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: I wish they would just centralize the video review process. If the color guys can figure out PI from replay while the officials are still huddling then I do not see why the head office could not cover PI, personal fouls, spot of the ball, catch/drop, down/not down in real time. Get the call right on field as fast as possible. Having the refs go under that ridiculous curtain to review a play is asinine. Reviews in baseball to me are the worst. when did the ball get there, did his shoelace come off the base when he was sliding? Did the tag come off the shirt slightly while he avoided it? If you wanted to review anything just have an electronic strike zone. No gaming it with framing, no umps with reputations for calling stuff inside vs outside. And it doesn't slow the game down. Probably speeds it up honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrtonHearsaWho Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 As soon as this one happened (regardless of it being preseason), I figured that the rule would be dead - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-explains-controversial-pass-interference-review-call-that-ruled-against-redskins-in-preseason-week-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I remember seeing it happen. I always thought it was a bad idea. I don't know why people wanted it. Officiating is always going to have human error. League needs to have some sort of consequences for bad calls though. Maybe make officials face the media after a game. The NFL does NOT want accountability in any fashion on any issue. Just look at the refs, they don’t know the rules, so they make stuff up, tuck rule cough cough, The Refs are not good at what they do, and the league doesn’t care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Officially toast I saw this as an almost sure thing about a month ago. good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, dneveu said: Reviews in baseball to me are the worst. when did the ball get there, did his shoelace come off the base when he was sliding? Did the tag come off the shirt slightly while he avoided it? If you wanted to review anything just have an electronic strike zone. No gaming it with framing, no umps with reputations for calling stuff inside vs outside. And it doesn't slow the game down. Probably speeds it up honestly. The review process in football has gotten away from what it was always intended to be and is now like what you described above. It was only meant to overturn call which were glaringly obvious upon replay. The standard described was that the average person in a bar could see that the call was wrong. Now they're zooming in to see if any rubber pellets flew which could indicate a toe grazed the playing surface, fractions of an inch on first down replays, and fractions of a second for possession. It was meant to be a system where if with a good camera angle on the field the official can't immediately rule then call on field stands, game back on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, Jauronimo said: The review process in football has gotten away from what it was always intended to be and is now like what you described above. It was only meant to overturn call which were glaringly obvious upon replay. The standard described was that the average person in a bar could see that the call was wrong. Now they're zooming in to see if any rubber pellets flew which could indicate a toe grazed the playing surface, fractions of an inch on first down replays, and fractions of a second for possession. It was meant to be a system where if with a good camera angle on the field the official can't immediately rule then call on field stands, game back on. Every TD is reviewed too - which can be annoying when the call is no TD then the camera immediately shows that it is a TD. Guess i have to waste a challenge because the judgement call decided to say otherwise. 4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: I saw this as an almost sure thing about a month ago. good I mean its 2 years from the saints getting hosed on that call now... but whats the plan if there's a completely blown call like that again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Thank God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Now do proper kickoff returnman downing in endzone technique kthx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane nelson Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 The greatest sport with the worse P/T officals and 1990 technology. Pitiful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Time for Tre White to mob receivers this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: I wish they would just centralize the video review process. If the color guys can figure out PI from replay while the officials are still huddling then I do not see why the head office could not cover PI, personal fouls, spot of the ball, catch/drop, down/not down in real time. Get the call right on field as fast as possible. Having the refs go under that ridiculous curtain to review a play is asinine. Been calling for an NHL style centralized review process for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Thank goodness for small blessings...what a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 ...and this is how our season will end in the playoffs this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 hours ago, MJS said: It COULD have been an effective rule if the officials were actually willing to use it objectively. They seemed hell bent on ensuring calls were not changed. Because these power driven refs and their egos couldn't stand being called out. This won't change the amount of butchered calls we watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 It worked perfectly the way the XFL did it. The NFL is just too important to be transparent, I guess. This is going to come back around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said: Because these power driven refs and their egos couldn't stand being called out. This won't change the amount of butchered calls we watch. I think it was more than that. I think they received direction to not overturn a call unless it was as bad as the Robey-Coleman non call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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