Rd 5, Pick 167: QB Jake Fromm, Georgia

[Dickie]

7 hours ago, H2o said:

I'm so done with this team

Because of a 5th rd pick?

[dave mcbride]

9 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

It’s possible I’m underestimating his arm strength, and it's merely appalling and embarrassing instead of disqualifying, but I doubt it. He's Barkley and Barkley shouldn't be our backup. 

I think Fromm is a poor man’s Mason Rudolph, and I’m not sure he’s any better than Barkley. As a developmental backup qb, the issue is whether down the road he can get you to 2-2 as opposed to 1-3/0-4 when/if Allen goes down with a short term injury. No idea there. I think an OG plus an investment in. Case Keenum type would have been wiser.

27 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He wasn’t a REAL day 1 or 2 pick. That was a case of the talking heads being way behind the scouts. There was a time that Matt Barkley was considered the number one overall pick. The same was true for Jevan Snead. That was never actually the case because they weren’t good enough. The talking heads are ALWAYS behind the football people. Earlier in the thread you were talking about Fromm as a prospect vs. Fields. That’s laughable. One is a LOCK as a top 5 pick and the other has a chance to be a decent backup. That has ALWAYS been the case. 

I’m not much of a fan of Fields either. 

Edited April 26, 2020 by dave mcbride

[Kelly the Dog]

5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I think Fromm is a poor man’s Mason Rudolph, and I’m not sure he’s any better than Barkley. As a developmental backup qb, the issue is whether down the road he can get you to 2-2 as opposed to 1-3/0-4 when/if Allen goes down with a short term injury. No idea there. I think an OG plus an investment in. Case Keenum type would have been wiser.

I’m not much of a fan of Fields either. 

I think Mason Rudolph has an RPG compared to Fromm or Barkley.

[Kirby Jackson]

6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I think Fromm is a poor man’s Mason Rudolph, and I’m not sure he’s any better than Barkley. As a developmental backup qb, the issue is whether down the road he can get you to 2-2 as opposed to 1-3/0-4 when/if Allen goes down with a short term injury. No idea there. I think an OG plus an investment in. Case Keenum type would have been wiser.

I’m not much of a fan of Fields either. 

He has elite talent though. At worst, he’s Justin Herbert a year from now. At best, he’s the elite talent that he’s always been and goes 1st. My personal opinion is that he’s somewhere in between. He will probably grade out somewhere between Burrow and Lawrence IMO. That’s where he likely sits now in terms of most evaluations. He will need to put together another good year to remain there but he has immense physical skills. 
 

On a side note the Lawrence/Fields rivalry has always been interesting. They will be linked from high school through their pro careers. It’s kind of crazy that these 2 “all-time” type of recruits grew up a few miles apart. https://apnews.com/bf862262f7378ceb4512378822fac6c1

[SCBills]

Georgia fans seem worried he won’t be able to handle the “weather” in Buffalo.  I guess, according to them, he struggled in some of the tougher weather games UGA played in.  
 

Honestly, the weather stuff re: Buffalo is overblown.  
 

Do we get some tough weather games?... sure.  So does New England, NYJ/NYG, Philly, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Cinci, Chicago, Green Bay, Seattle etc.. 

 

If you can’t handle the elements, you probably shouldn’t be an NFL QB.  

 

Sure, you could go to a southern team or domed stadium team, but what happens when you have to play @ Green Bay in the Playoffs?... just forfeit? Handoff all game?  Throw only screens?   
 

Let’s hope Fromm can play QB in weather that isn’t 70 and a mix of sun and clouds. 
 

 

Edited April 26, 2020 by SCBills

[Royale with Cheese]

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Gross

You’re gross.

[Billznut]

9 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

Bye.  Won't miss prissy princesses getting pissy over 5th round project picks.

You have NO sarcasm meter. Get it checked out 

[PIZ]

Not sure if these were posted:

 

 

 

Mentions Josh Allen at 1:40:

 

 

 

Edited April 26, 2020 by PIZ

[Punching Bag]

9 hours ago, Nanker said:

Guess this means no way are they bring back Peterman.

 

 

Only if DBs need practice catching.

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

He has a lot of Frank Reich type qualities. Ha

 

That is a very high praise.

[dezertbill]

Impressive game vs. 7th ranked Notre Dame.  Go to 6:50 where he throws a 40 yard TD against his body that was dropped by the WR.  Plenty of arm strength on that one.

 

Only concern is the winds at New Era Field.  Think he'll be fine.

[dezertbill]

For the record, there were two other QB's that came out of college that had seemingly "weak arms"

 

Tom Brady and Joe Montana.  

 

But both Tom and Joe had "it".  Many say Jake has "it" as well.  So we'll see.

[John from Riverside]

I don’t even know where the weak arm thing is coming from honestly

 

i mean it’s not a cannon

[TwistofFate]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I don’t even know where the weak arm thing is coming from honestly

 

i mean it’s not a cannon

His combine. 

 

Aparantly he had a weak combine day.   With Corona virus shutting down the country he was never able to rebound through private workouts. 

 

That made his draft capital sink.  NFL Clubs pick Qbs with tangibles over intangibles when their back is against the wall. 

 

This kid was predicted as a first rounder last summer and even talked about as 1 over all amongst his Qb class.  

Edited April 26, 2020 by TwistofFate

[TwistofFate]

Here's the percentage of pass attempts by each top QB in the draft that came vs. top-50 defenses by SP+:

 

1. Jake Fromm, 77.92%

2. Tua Tagovailoa, 60.71%

3. Joe Burrow, 57.87%

4. Justin Herbert, 44.39%

5. Jacob Eason, 35.56%

6. Jordan Love, 30.02%

 

— Jim Sannes (@JimSannes) January 18, 2020 

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

That is a very high praise.

I am/was a huge Reich fan as a kid. Loved Kelly, but always thought Frank was maybe the greatest backup.

Fromm has a ton of qualities I think will make him an amazing backup. I also hope Jake and Josh have enough in common to become good friends. Both are country boys. 

Edited April 26, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[HOUSE]

I always wanted a Jake on the team. We came so close in prior drafts

[sherpa]

27 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I always wanted a Jake on the team.

 

As long as nobody calls him "Squeaky."

[Golden Goat]

40 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I always wanted a Jake on the team. We came so close in prior drafts

Jake Fisher didn't do it for you, huh?

[nucci]

54 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

I always wanted a Jake on the team. We came so close in prior drafts

Jake Fromm State Farm?

[BuffaloHokie13]

I think he comes in a Colt McCoy/Chase Daniel type, but I see a Cousins-like ceiling.

[FireChans]

34 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I think he comes in a Colt McCoy/Chase Daniel type, but I see a Cousins-like ceiling.

Nice comp. That’s a nice ceiling for a fifth rounder. Hard to say that taking Cousins didn’t work out for the Skins, despite the lack of that team’s overall success.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[aristocrat]

43 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I think he comes in a Colt McCoy/Chase Daniel type, but I see a Cousins-like ceiling.

 

mccoy is a solid comparison

[BUFFALOTONE]

Fromm was a top 15 pick had he came out the year prior. With the exception of Swift he had zero in the way of tangible weapons at UGA. Great upside and can make all of the throws

[BillsFan17]

The ironic part is, i compared Fromm to Barkley right before the draft with a buddy of mine... i was a few deep lol, but I stand by it.

[SoCal Deek]

4 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I am/was a huge Reich fan as a kid. Loved Kelly, but always thought Frank was maybe the greatest backup.

Fromm has a ton of qualities I think will make him an amazing backup. I also hope Jake and Josh have enough in common to become good friends. 

Totally agree with this. The QB duo should be set for at least the next five years.

[atlbillsfan1975]

17 minutes ago, BUFFALOTONE said:

Fromm was a top 15 pick had he came out the year prior. With the exception of Swift he had zero in the way of tangible weapons at UGA. Great upside and can make all of the throws

Problem is ‘all the throws’ . For whatever reason Fromm hasn’t showed that yet. 

[JaCrispy]

12 hours ago, Raleigh • √eff said:

It's funny when I watch him, he looks exactly like Barkley out there. 

Yeah...he’s basically a cheaper Barkley ?

[hemma]

Much rather have a guy that should contribute, rather than another 5th rounder like Ed Wang or Zebrie Sanders.

[Doc]

I wonder if his problem at the Combine, and possibly going forward, is his small hand size and the fact that the NFL ball is slightly larger than college?

Edited April 26, 2020 by Doc

[Putin]

1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I think he comes in a Colt McCoy/Chase Daniel type, but I see a Cousins-like ceiling.

I see talk about him not having a strong arm but watching some of his highlights I see a ton of deep throws with a nice spiral and very accurate , obviously he doesn’t have a cannon for an arm like Allen but then again not many NFL starting QB’s do !!! 
 

[MrEpsYtown]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I always wanted a Jake on the team. We came so close in prior drafts

Yeah well his name is William. So your wait continues. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, Putin said:

I see talk about him not having a strong arm but watching some of his highlights I see a ton of deep throws with a nice spiral and very accurate , obviously he doesn’t have a cannon for an arm like Allen but then again not many NFL starting QB’s do !!! 
 

Deep balls aren't really the indicator of NFL arm strength. The question is whether he can throw a 12 yard out fast enough to not get jumped for a pick 6. It's a valid question, and I believe he's on the fringe. There are many QB's who have gained arm strength after getting into the league. That's why I bump his ceiling up to a Cousins type. If he can gain that ball velocity he could be a gem.

[Big Gun]

My hope is Fromm comes in shows well as a backup/preseason for a couple years and the Bills can peddle him off for a high draft pick, ala Jimmy G. to San Francisco. 

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Deep balls aren't really the indicator of NFL arm strength. The question is whether he can throw a 12 yard out fast enough to not get jumped for a pick 6. It's a valid question, and I believe he's on the fringe. There are many QB's who have gained arm strength after getting into the league. That's why I bump his ceiling up to a Cousins type. If he can gain that ball velocity he could be a gem.

 

Why even throw a 10-12 yard out?  Most of the time they're incomplete, often they're picked-off, and at best you're looking at a minimal gain.  That's what frustrated me about Peterman.  He'd keep throwing them just to gain a couple yards.

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

Why even throw a 10-12 yard out?  Most of the time they're incomplete, often they're picked-off, and at best you're looking at a minimal gain.  That's what frustrated me about Peterman.  He'd keep throwing them just to gain a couple yards.

It's a staple of the 2 minute offense to move the chains and stop the clock. It's also an area of the field that the Defense has to cover. If you were to remove it entirely your offense is easier to defend. The Peterman throws were mind boggling. IDK if he decided to throw them or if the OC called the plays, but he simply can't do it. I do not think that's true of Fromm, but I suppose we will see.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

It's a staple of the 2 minute offense to move the chains and stop the clock. It's also an area of the field that the Defense has to cover. If you were to remove it entirely your offense is easier to defend. The Peterman throws were mind boggling. IDK if he decided to throw them or if the OC called the plays, but he simply can't do it. I do not think that's true of Fromm, but I suppose we will see.

 

I rarely see it used, see it being defended more often than not, and think there are better and far less risky plays to accomplish the same goal.  I looked-up 2 minute drills on Youtube and none of them had a 10-yard out in them.

[BillsFan692]

39 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I rarely see it used, see it being defended more often than not, and think there are better and far less risky plays to accomplish the same goal.  I looked-up 2 minute drills on Youtube and none of them had a 10-yard out in them.

 

What is your arguement here? That nobody throws sideline out routes in the short to intermediate range??

 

Seems dumb! As has already been pointed out you would throw these plays in even just to insure the defense has to cover it. Playing games witbout ever having this in your arsenal would be seriously stupid. 

 

[BillsMafi$]