Bill O'Brien; the Man, the Myth, the Moron

[Inigo Montoya]

Bill O'Brien continues to stagger around the League punch drunk making one questionable personnel move after another.  When the Hopkins trade went down I went to the Houston Texans version of TBD and read a bunch of the fan's comments flaming BOB for the horrific Hopkins' trade.  I think out of all of them my favorite post was the very succinct;

 

"Bill O'Brien is to coaches, what Bill O'Brien is to GMs"

 

He had already managed to win the Triple Crown of Incompetence even before his trade yesterday for Cooks.

 

The first jewel of BOB's Triple Crown was the the Jadeveon Clowney trade to the Seattle Seahawks for a 2020 3rd round pick.  The Texans also received Barkevious Mingo who the Seahawks were going to cut, and Jacob Martin a rotational DT.  The trade is even more egregious when BOB could look at what the same Seatttle Seahawks got from the Chiefs when the Seahawks traded Frank Clark to them earlier that same year.  The Seahawks traded Frank Clark for the Chiefs' 2019 1st round pick and their 2020 2nd round pick. 

 

The second jewel of BOB's Triple Crown came just a few days later when he traded with the Miami Dolphins for rookie LT Laremy Tunsil.  What did BOB give up to get his new LT with two years left on his contract?  Two 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick.  I should add that the Dolphins also threw in Kenny Stills because the Dolphin's GM was suffering some major Catholic guilt over how badly he was raping BOB.  Now lets compound BOB's GM incompetence with what is currently happening in Houston.  Tunsil has already rejected an offer of $18 million a year from the Texans.  Tunsill wants to be the highest pain O-Lineman in the League and he will gouge the Texans for at least $20 million a year.  BOB gave Tunsil all the leverage, he can't let Tunsil walk after giving up two 1st's and a 2nd to get him to Houston.  He basically handed Tunsil and his agent a blank check.  Strong work BOB!

 

But the third jewel, the crown jewel of BOB's Triple Crown, was the so stupid is should have been illegal, Deandre Hopkins trade.  In exchange for a generational WR talent and a 4th round pick, BOB received a 2nd round pick this year and a 4th next year, and the oft injured RB David Johnson who comes with a $10.2 million dollar cap hit this year and who also has a guaranteed $2.1 million for the 2021 season. What makes this move all the more baffling is that the Cards had already tagged Kenyan Drake and Johnson was going to be released by the Cardinals before the season started and the Cards were just going to eat Johnson's cap hit.  BOB to the rescue!  Of course his malfeasance was only magnified and highlighted when the Bills gave up a 2020 1st, 5th, 6th, and a 2021 4th for Diggs.  

 

There needs to be an intervention in Houston. I have no idea what the owner is doing there. I have never witnessed so much incompetence crammed into such a small window.  Even the Browns front office never reached this level of dysfunction.  All I know is that someone needs to fire BOB before the end of the season so that he can replace Adam Gase next year as the new head coach of the New York Football Jets.

 

Edited April 11, 2020 by Inigo Montoya

[Billl]

He’s won 4 division titles in 5 years.  Probably best for Bills fans not to feel sorry for the Texans.

[Inigo Montoya]

4 hours ago, Billl said:

He’s won 4 division titles in 5 years.  Probably best for Bills fans not to feel sorry for the Texans.

 

I don't feel sorry for the Texans at all.  BOB has single handedly wrecked the team that beat us in the playoffs last year.  I'll buy the guy a steak dinner.  It's time for BOB to move on and jack up another one of our Conference rivals.  Hello Gang Green!

 

 

Edited April 11, 2020 by Inigo Montoya

[Don Otreply]

It’s great to see other teams self destructing, ??

[stuvian]

it's nice to watch other teams implode for a change

[Aussie Joe]

What’s he done today?

[eball]

10 minutes ago, Billl said:

He’s won 4 division titles in 5 years.  Probably best for Bills fans not to feel sorry for the Texans.

 

Who's feeling sorry for them?  We're laughing at them.

[Warcodered]

I mean with all this happening after the death of Bob McNair I have to wonder is this a picture of Janice McNair?

Edited April 11, 2020 by Warcodered

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Your call for an intervention may be too little, too late.  I'm thinking more in terms of an exorcism.

[Charles Romes]

O’Brien is a disaster but I also thought the dumbest move in pro football on 2019 was the titans signing Tannehill. 

[Cal]

What will happen if Cooks has better numbers than Diggs? We will blame Allen of course lol

[MJS]

36 minutes ago, Billl said:

He’s won 4 division titles in 5 years.  Probably best for Bills fans not to feel sorry for the Texans.

In one of the worst divisions in football over the past 5 or 6 years. The colts were the only team with a franchise QB, but he was injured every year and then prematurely retired. Put the Texans in any other division and they would not have seen the same success.

[Mc1320]

I am a Penn State season ticket holder and I credit O’Brien with saving the program in the wake of the Sandusky tragedy, but for the love of God, I have no idea what he is doing in the NFL.

[Gugny]

45 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

I don't feel sorry for the Texans at all.  BOB has single handedly dismantled the team that beat us in the playoffs last year.  I'll buy the guy a steak dinner.  It's time for BOB to move on and jack up another one of our Conference rivals.  Hello Gang Green!

 

 

They didn't beat us.  Daboll beat us.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

They didn't beat us.  Daboll beat us.

 

Daboll called a bad penalty on us and gave up a crucial Watson drive down the field?

 

News to me.

[DallasMac]

Think he's implying the lack of offense the second half wasn't good.  I agree that the D seemed unprepared for Watson.  He started running a lot the second half and the D didnt seem ready for it.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Daboll called a bad penalty on us and gave up a crucial Watson drive down the field?

 

News to me.

Allen checked to a lot of the runs to Gore as well.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

In one of the worst divisions in football over the past 5 or 6 years. The colts were the only team with a franchise QB, but he was injured every year and then prematurely retired. Put the Texans in any other division and they would not have seen the same success.

 

Certainly true of his early success when going 9-7 with Fitz, Hoyer and the Brocketship. But actually his two most successful seasons (the last two with Watson) he is 13-7 against non-AFC South opponents for a pretty solid .650 win percentage. I think Billy O is above average as a coach. But nobody in their right mind would let him shop for his own groceries. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Your call for an intervention may be too little, too late.  I'm thinking more in terms of an exorcism.

Intervention...exorcism...if O'Brien keeps it up there will be an autopsy in Houston.

[BillsFan17]

9 hours ago, Billl said:

He’s won 4 division titles in 5 years.  Probably best for Bills fans not to feel sorry for the Texans.

That's a hell of a way to prop up a team, who two of those four were 9-7. Let's not act like they are running away with their divison every year.

 

Also, division titles are won in the playoffs, having the best record at the end of the regular season... is that really revered as winning a division title?

[machine gun kelly]

9 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Bill O'Brien continues to stagger around the League punch drunk making one questionable personnel move after another.  When the Hopkins trade went down I went to the Houston Texans version of TBD and read a bunch of the fan's comments flaming BOB for the horrific Hopkins' trade.  I think out of all of them my favorite post was the very succinct;

 

"Bill O'Brien is to coaches, what Bill O'Brien is to GMs"

 

He had already managed to win the Triple Crown of Incompetence even before his trade yesterday for Cooks.

 

The first jewel of BOB's Triple Crown was the the Jadeveon Clowney trade to the Seattle Seahawks for a 2020 3rd round pick.  The Texans also received Barkevious Mingo who the Seahawks were going to cut, and Jacob Martin a rotational DT.  The trade is even more egregious when BOB could look at what the same Seatttle Seahawks got from the Chiefs when the Seahawks traded Frank Clark to them earlier that same year.  The Seahawks traded Frank Clark for the Chiefs' 2019 1st round pick and their 2020 2nd round pick. 

 

The second jewel of BOB's Triple Crown came just a few days later when he traded with the Miami Dolphins for rookie LT Laremy Tunsil.  What did BOB give up to get his new LT with two years left on his contract?  Two 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick.  I should add that the Dolphins also threw in Kenny Stills because the Dolphin's GM was suffering some major Catholic guilt over how badly he was raping BOB.  Now lets compound BOB's GM incompetence with what is currently happening in Houston.  Tunsil has already rejected an offer of $18 million a year from the Texans.  Tunsill wants to be the highest pain O-Lineman in the League and he will gouge the Texans for at least $20 million a year.  BOB gave Tunsil all the leverage, he can't let Tunsil walk after giving up two 1st's and a 2nd to get him to Houston.  He basically handed Tunsil and his agent a blank check.  Strong work BOB!

 

But the third jewel, the crown jewel of BOB's Triple Crown, was the so stupid is should have been illegal, Deandre Hopkins trade.  In exchange for a generational WR talent and a 4th round pick, BOB received a 2nd round pick this year and a 4th next year, and the oft injured RB David Johnson who comes with a $10.2 million dollar cap hit this year and who also has a guaranteed $2.1 million for the 2021 season. What makes this move all the more baffling is that the Cards had already tagged Kenyan Drake and Johnson was going to be released by the Cardinals before the season started and the Cards were just going to eat Johnson's cap hit.  BOB to the rescue!  Of course his malfeasance was only magnified and highlighted when the Bills gave up a 2020 1st, 5th, 6th, and a 2021 4th for Diggs.  

 

There needs to be an intervention in Houston. I have no idea what the owner is doing there. I have never witnessed so much incompetence crammed into such a small window.  Even the Browns front office never reached this level of dysfunction.  All I know is that someone needs to fire BOB before the end of the season so that he can replace Adam Gase next year as the new head coach of the New York Football Jets.

 

Inigo, isn’t it just poetic justice we collapse at the end of the WC game and get to watch Houston slowly implode.  As far as the Jets, Gase and O'Brien basically takes two teams out of the equation between the South and the East.  I love it, and hope the hits keep coming.  

[TroutDog]

9 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean with all this happening after the death of Bob McNair I have to wonder is this a picture of Janice McNair?

Thank you! I know which movie I will be watching first today! ? 
 

Such a fun flick. 

[CSBill]

hahaha, a nomination for "thread title of the year" on TBD.

Edited April 12, 2020 by CSBill

[Tcali]

15 hours ago, Billl said:

He’s won 4 division titles in 5 years.  Probably best for Bills fans not to feel sorry for the Texans.

yep---they are superior to us until proved otherwise.And the Texans were stuck at the one and out level--Not SB competitors.So making moves shows something at least.

Lets see how it plays out. Until proven otherwise the Bills franchise still sucks.We have had one good year. And we dont have a sure thing at QB

altho I am very hopeful like most.

[Alphadawg7]

15 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

I don't feel sorry for the Texans at all.  BOB has single handedly wrecked the team that beat us in the playoffs last year.  I'll buy the guy a steak dinner.  It's time for BOB to move on and jack up another one of our Conference rivals.  Hello Gang Green!

 

 

Gase and company are doing a good enough job on their own jacking up the Jets, they don’t need O'Brien's help.  

Edited April 11, 2020 by Alphadawg7

[Freddie's Dead]

Just remember, BoB beat McD, so we got nothing to crow about.

[FireChans]

20 hours ago, eball said:

 

Who's feeling sorry for them?  We're laughing at them.

5/6 winning seasons. 4 playoff appearances. Two playoff wins. Back to back double digit win seasons. 

 

Bills fans laughing at this this guy after losing to his team in the playoffs is priceless.

[eball]

37 minutes ago, FireChans said:

5/6 winning seasons. 4 playoff appearances. Two playoff wins. Back to back double digit win seasons. 

 

Bills fans laughing at this this guy after losing to his team in the playoffs is priceless.

Defeatist supposed Bills fans are always priceless. Keep chastising the team’s fans for enjoying the turn of events, that’s always a good look. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Defeatist supposed Bills fans are always priceless. Keep chastising the team’s fans for enjoying the turn of events, that’s always a good look. 

A turn of events? We haven’t even played the season yet. Imagine how silly you’ll look if the Texans win 11 games again next year and the Bills only win 9 or 10.

 

I guess knowing the phrase “counting your chickens” makes you a defeatist lol.

[GETTOTHE50]

***** the Texans 

[eball]

11 hours ago, FireChans said:

A turn of events? We haven’t even played the season yet. Imagine how silly you’ll look if the Texans win 11 games again next year and the Bills only win 9 or 10.

 

I guess knowing the phrase “counting your chickens” makes you a defeatist lol.

 

Fans like you crack me up.

[FireChans]

18 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Fans like you crack me up.

If the Chiefs lose Chris Jones, will you laugh at them as well? 

 

The Bills make the playoffs and get bounced in the first round, and suddenly we’re so high and mighty compared to the rest of the AFC. Absolutely unbelievable. Let’s stick to laughing at teams we didn’t lose to last year, like the Dolphins and Jets. Getting too big for your britches early is not becoming.

[eball]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

If the Chiefs lose Chris Jones, will you laugh at them as well? 

 

The Bills make the playoffs and get bounced in the first round, and suddenly we’re so high and mighty compared to the rest of the AFC. Absolutely unbelievable. Let’s stick to laughing at teams we didn’t lose to last year, like the Dolphins and Jets. Getting too big for your britches early is not becoming.

 

While you're busy predicting gloom and doom please find me ONE NFL writer/analyst who thinks the moves BOB has made this offseason are good ones.

[GunnerBill]

On 4/11/2020 at 11:56 AM, BillsFan17 said:

That's a hell of a way to prop up a team, who two of those four were 9-7. Let's not act like they are running away with their divison every year.

 

Also, division titles are won in the playoffs, having the best record at the end of the regular season... is that really revered as winning a division title?

 

Division title means topped your division at the end of the regular season.

[Cripple Creek]

12 hours ago, FireChans said:

A turn of events? We haven’t even played the season yet. Imagine how silly you’ll look if the Texans win 11 games again next year and the Bills only win 9 or 10.

 

I guess knowing the phrase “counting your chickens” makes you a defeatist lol.

Take a chance to enjoy the ride we're currently on FC.  There's been too much incompetence over the years and we seemingly finally have it together.  Meanwhile, Houston has consistently under performed when considering the talent on both sides of the ball.

 

One team over achieves, the other under achieves.  Where would you rather be?

 

 

Common man, take a chance.  Call BOB a moron, you'll feel better and you'll be correct.  He's in way over his head.

[Cal]

Well they beat us. So let's back it down a bit

[Cripple Creek]

2 minutes ago, Cal said:

Well they beat us. So let's back it down a bit

They were "supposed to." What's your point?

[BarleyNY]

On 4/10/2020 at 9:48 PM, Inigo Montoya said:

Bill O'Brien continues to stagger around the League punch drunk making one questionable personnel move after another.  When the Hopkins trade went down I went to the Houston Texans version of TBD and read a bunch of the fan's comments flaming BOB for the horrific Hopkins' trade.  I think out of all of them my favorite post was the very succinct;

 

"Bill O'Brien is to coaches, what Bill O'Brien is to GMs"

 

He had already managed to win the Triple Crown of Incompetence even before his trade yesterday for Cooks.

 

The first jewel of BOB's Triple Crown was the the Jadeveon Clowney trade to the Seattle Seahawks for a 2020 3rd round pick.  The Texans also received Barkevious Mingo who the Seahawks were going to cut, and Jacob Martin a rotational DT.  The trade is even more egregious when BOB could look at what the same Seatttle Seahawks got from the Chiefs when the Seahawks traded Frank Clark to them earlier that same year.  The Seahawks traded Frank Clark for the Chiefs' 2019 1st round pick and their 2020 2nd round pick. 

 

The second jewel of BOB's Triple Crown came just a few days later when he traded with the Miami Dolphins for rookie LT Laremy Tunsil.  What did BOB give up to get his new LT with two years left on his contract?  Two 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick.  I should add that the Dolphins also threw in Kenny Stills because the Dolphin's GM was suffering some major Catholic guilt over how badly he was raping BOB.  Now lets compound BOB's GM incompetence with what is currently happening in Houston.  Tunsil has already rejected an offer of $18 million a year from the Texans.  Tunsill wants to be the highest pain O-Lineman in the League and he will gouge the Texans for at least $20 million a year.  BOB gave Tunsil all the leverage, he can't let Tunsil walk after giving up two 1st's and a 2nd to get him to Houston.  He basically handed Tunsil and his agent a blank check.  Strong work BOB!

 

But the third jewel, the crown jewel of BOB's Triple Crown, was the so stupid is should have been illegal, Deandre Hopkins trade.  In exchange for a generational WR talent and a 4th round pick, BOB received a 2nd round pick this year and a 4th next year, and the oft injured RB David Johnson who comes with a $10.2 million dollar cap hit this year and who also has a guaranteed $2.1 million for the 2021 season. What makes this move all the more baffling is that the Cards had already tagged Kenyan Drake and Johnson was going to be released by the Cardinals before the season started and the Cards were just going to eat Johnson's cap hit.  BOB to the rescue!  Of course his malfeasance was only magnified and highlighted when the Bills gave up a 2020 1st, 5th, 6th, and a 2021 4th for Diggs.  

 

There needs to be an intervention in Houston. I have no idea what the owner is doing there. I have never witnessed so much incompetence crammed into such a small window.  Even the Browns front office never reached this level of dysfunction.  All I know is that someone needs to fire BOB before the end of the season so that he can replace Adam Gase next year as the new head coach of the New York Football Jets.

 

Please update this post to reflect the fact that as part of the Clowney to Seattle trade Houston ate $7M of his contract.  This is 100% true and is reflected in the dead money attributed to Clowney in 2019 shown here:

Texicans 2019 salary cap info

 

Edit: spelling/autocorrect 

Edited April 12, 2020 by BarleyNY

[Victory Formation]

Probably could’ve gotten more for Clowney, maybe an extra 3rd or something of that nature but I personally think that Clowney is extremely overrated. His production is underwhelming and disappointing to say the least. Has he ever had more than 9 sacks? He’s not even a double digit sack per year guy and he’s asking for $20M/yr? He’s just not that good. I think the was drunk when he made the Hopkins trade though.

[aristocrat]

he's slowly dismantling all the talent on that team. one of the best qbs in the game and nobody has any idea what he's doing. goes to show you how good watson is