Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: 3) BUFFALO BILLS: The Bills are one receiver away from having one of the top offenses in the league, especially after Josh Allen made the leap in Year 2. John Brown can take the top off the defense, Cole Beasley is a solid slot guy and Cooper would give Allen a playmaker who can win one-on-one situations and clear out the box for the run game. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001101262/article/eagles-bills-among-potential-landing-spots-for-amari-cooper?campaign=Twitter_atn I tend to think that David Carr must be the coldest of "hot takes". Before Week 17, after Buffalo lost to NE in a close game and were about to sit their starters in prep for playoffs, Carr put out an article listing "3 Offenses In Need of Revamp": the 1-14 Bengals (30th in scoring); the 5-10 Carolina Panthers; and the 10-5 Buffalo Bills. His suggestions were extensive. We should totally re-work our offense: "Instead of employing a traditional pro-style offense, why not use Allen's strengths as a runner more often? Look at what Baltimore is doing with Lamar Jackson. Buffalo won't be as explosive, but certainly could be much more effective moving the ball downfield." So per Carr, we should re-do our offense to become Ravens Lite. Now, 6.5 weeks later, suddenly the Bills are "one receiver away from having one of the top offenses in the league"? Cooper made a big point in that Athletic piece about how he was "frosty about Buffalo" as a destination and money wasn't his determining factor: "“I don’t think it’s all about money,” Cooper said. “Most players in the NFL, and if you’re a highly touted free agent, you’re going to get paid a lot of money no matter where you go. So is it worth it to go somewhere you don’t want to go? “You might be a guy like me, who is from South Florida and has never played a game in the snow. Is it worth $1 million more a year or $2 million more a year, especially if you’ve been taking care of your money? Is it worth that to be in an environment you don’t want to be in? Or would you rather stay somewhere in the South?” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 56 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Did Carr mention his brother's next potential destination? So would we potentially see the Peterman era start in Vegas? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 The only way Buffalo would land Cooper would be to outbid and over pay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, warrior9 said: I just don't see Beane shelling out that kind of money for WR (nor do I want him to) I don't mind if Beane shells out that kid of money for a true top 10 wr, but I didn't see a lot of heart in Amari Cooper's game this year in difficult situations, like that Dallas game against New England in the pouring rain. He didn't look like he wanted to toch the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 As far as WR goes, I would rather see if AJ Green is Healthy for a 2 or 3 yr deal while still drafting a WR in the second or third round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I don't know. I think I'd rather draft a couple WR's in this draft than to drop all that kind of $$ at Cooper. Anyway, looking forward to seeing what and how they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: I'm meh on this... I don't love the idea, but I don't hate it either. I prefer we take advantage of the deep WR class. If he wants to sign someone I think there are more economic options, but it isn't my money. This surprised me though, and was quite fun to read! I think those two things are key reasons he won’t be signing here. 1) more economic options 2) deep draft and don’t forget #3 Cooper basically said he does not want to play in Buffalo while at the Pro Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mannc said: Yeah, who wants to score more than 17 points per game anyway? Ask the Falcons who pay their WR 22 Mill. and the cowboys that didn't make the play offs with this guy. We need to keep our core in place and it's going to be very expensive in 2-3 years bubba. He would be more cap hit that Smoke, Beas, Singletary and Knox combined (or at least in that area). Not to mention, we have a solid WR draft coming up. Edited February 5, 2020 by warrior9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, H2o said: This is where I'm at as well. I wouldn't throw $15-$20mill at Cooper. I think there will be starters to be had even into the 4th Round with this WR class, not counting the typical exceptions who just turn out to be gems. Pass on Cooper. WR is the one position group on the team where they realistically have ZERO players with a likely long term(3 year or more) future with the team. Drafting 2 should be a given.........its virtually inevitable that even doing the right thing and taking BPA that they will run into at least two instances where BPA is a WR...........and I wouldn't be surprised if they took a third or if their top UDFA was a WR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: I'm meh on this... I don't love the idea, but I don't hate it either. I prefer we take advantage of the deep WR class. If he wants to sign someone I think there are more economic options, but it isn't my money. This surprised me though, and was quite fun to read! I say we take advantage of both...why not go 4 deep with WRs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I’ve mentally crossed him of the FA list since he publically stated he would not want to go to Buffalo. I would rather draft one or even two given the strength of this class than spend the $ on him. I would take one in the 1st or 2nd rd and then another later if it aligns to the Bills draft board. Already have Brown/Beasley and i like mckenzie. ...good call Yolo...thought I read that somewhere......diva doesn't fit the process especially if the "flake hates the flakes".....with the class being WR rich according to our TBD Collegiate Gang, could see Beane trading down to 27 or 28 to grab an extra 2nd, finding his value WR pick with either of the two 2nd round picks.....just babbling.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 With this deep WR draft class, Buffalo’s money should wisely be spent on the LOS this offseason. Chris Jones’ situation bears watching. If the Chiefs won’t/can’t tag him.............. the Pegula jet should be in overdrive to get him. It severely weakens the Chiefs and makes a very strong unit for Buffalo that much stronger. Playing along side a top young talent like Oliver should be very enticing for Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I'd be surprised if the Cowboys tag or attempt to re-sign Cooper here. For what they gave up in the trade with the Raiders they'd probably be better off never making it. The Bills might take a look at him but in the end they should quickly run the other way. He just seems to disappear when things get tough. He's not a good fit here based on how our team is being built. The cap hit it would take to sign Cooper can be wisely put to use elsewhere. It's a deep draft and there are other options that better fit. Both parties should be in agreement here. Cooper isn't interested in the Bills and the Bills shouldn't be interested in Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, RyanC883 said: good. Cooper has been a disappointment, IMHO, and will be overpaid for what he produces. I'd rather have a rookie, and someone who will cost less like AJ Green. He is no better than John Brown. Dallas will overpay him and he will remain good but not great. The Bills should get their WR in the draft & fill other holes in both the draft & free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Azucho98 said: Cooper seems to quit when things get tough... so he doesn't fit here. No doubt. Terrible body language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Even if they sign a WR1 in UFA they need to take advantage of the deep WR class anyway...........Beasley(31) and Brown(30) are aging, undersized targets going into 2020.......late in modestly productive careers...........if they get one more good year out of them they should consider themselves fortunate. You gotta' take the talent the draft presents you whether it feels like a great need or not. If that's WR you address it while the iron is hot. Badol, has the Bills FO under Beane ever done what you thought they should? I ask because I'd really like to see us draft at least 2 WR this year so if the answer is "no", perhaps you could "take one for the team" and un-make your suggestion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Naah, dont want him because if things start to go south he will want to be out of Buffalo quick, specially after his comments about Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, warrior9 said: Ask the Falcons who pay their WR 22 Mill. and the cowboys that didn't make the play offs with this guy. We need to keep our core in place and it's going to be very expensive in 2-3 years bubba. He would be more cap hit that Smoke, Beas, Singletary and Knox combined (or at least in that area). Not to mention, we have a solid WR draft coming up. Your comment was that you didn't want Beane to shell out big money for any WR. My comment was addressed to that, not to Cooper specifically, although I would not have a problem if the Bills made a run at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Ask yourself this question................ Is Cooper with the 20 mill a year he is going to ask for? The answer for the Bills should be an emphatic NOOOOOOOO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I’ve mentally crossed him of the FA list since he publically stated he would not want to go to Buffalo. I would rather draft one or even two given the strength of this class than spend the $ on him. I would take one in the 1st or 2nd rd and then another later if it aligns to the Bills draft board. Already have Brown/Beasley and i like mckenzie. I feel like most guys change their tune after they come here, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, MJS said: I feel like most guys change their tune after they come here, though. I think that’s true but this just struck me a bit differently for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I don't see McBeane going after Cooper, he doesn't seem to be a process guy and I think the Bills only make one big move and I don't think it will be a 15 million aav or more signing but it will be more in the range of 10-12 million aav. I think McBeane's approach will be more likely to replicate the 2019 off-season and go after one upper level signing (10+ million) and then go after 2-3 upper mid-level signings (7-9 million aav) and then pepper in the rest of the needs with mid-level or lower signings (4-6 million aav or less.) I think they try to resign 2-3 of the team's primary free agents (Spain, Phillips and Lawson) and then make one solid splash before trying to fill 2 needs with upper mid-level signings and then go after depth and role players in the mid-range or lower level. Obviously the overhaul of the team particularly on offense won't be as drastic but I can see them targeting a big Edge defender in the 10-12 million range and a corner or LB in the 7-9 million range and then possibly a pass catcher in the 7-9 million range. Then going after a TE and RB in the mid range (4-6 million.) I think they then go WR 2 out of their first three picks and then BPA. I think that their goal is to retain talent, fill 2-3 holes in free agency and then fill the remaining needs via the draft and roll over 30-40 million to help ease the burden on extending contracts while not tying them down to more than one massive deal beyond 2021. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 40 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Badol, has the Bills FO under Beane ever done what you thought they should? I ask because I'd really like to see us draft at least 2 WR this year so if the answer is "no", perhaps you could "take one for the team" and un-make your suggestion? I felt strongly that the Bills should sign Mario Williams and had the audacity to say that they could and that they would try. (That was generally perceived as astonishing unrealistic.......I think it was @Kevin who nearly lost his mind tryna shout that take down). But I get the joke..........I wish they had some kind of organizational memory so they could stop repeating mistakes. I've liked the 4 players they've drafted in round 1 the past 3 years..........which is a first in itself. As for that organizational memory.........I look back at the Donahoe period where he cleared the roster and he then had a great draft and looked smart and efficient in free agency initially..........and in hindsight the good personnel moves were as much a function of having needs everywhere as anything..........which feels A LOT like the good things that McBeane have done. It went to Donahoe's head.........and once he felt he only had a few needs left he lost his mind and started making impulsive, unsound decisions. McBeane need to keep filling needs in FA.......address premium positions early in the draft and let the talent come to them in rounds 3-6. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Azucho98 said: Cooper seems to quit when things get tough... so he doesn't fit here. yeah my understanding is he is a weirdo. doesn't like away games, or something like that.... diva potential. would never work in the b lo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, jabu said: I'm surprised you say you like McKenzie. Other than some of his jet sweeps, I thought he largely disappeared in games. His hands were better this year, but he wasn't much of a down field threat, lacked in getting separation and has a small catch radius. He seems more of a gadget guy than a reliable 3 or 4 WR. I like mckenzie for the role he plays. But I wouldn’t say he’s the 3rd or 4th WR next year, rather the 5th or 6th. In my scenario, it would be Brown, Beasley, alpha rookie WR taken high (ie Shenault), rookie 2 (I personally want elite speed like KJ Hamler), Roberts, mckenzie. That’s 6. If they sign a FA I would go for a guy like Kendrick Bourne from SF. Edited February 6, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I like mckenzie for the role he plays. But I wouldn’t say he’s the 3rd or 4th WR next year, rather the 5th or 6th. In my scenario, it would be Brown, Beasley, alpha rookie WR taken high (ie Shenault), rookie 2 (I personally want elite speed like KJ Hamler), Roberts, mckenzie. That’s 6. If they sign a FA I would go for a guy like Kendrick Bourne from SF. Have we all decided Duke Williams and Foster are no go's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 The Bills need a redo behind Brown and Beasley. There should be 3 new WR's on this roster next season and they all could come from this very deep WR class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, warrior9 said: I just don't see Beane shelling out that kind of money for WR (nor do I want him to) Dallas had him on the bench an awful lot when they had their season on the line. He is not the big FA receiver we need in that light..... But, I will go with the Bills brain trust on this issue. Edited February 6, 2020 by bigK14094 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I get this is a deep class and good WRs can be had in any round, but we need elite playmakers on offense(we have none) at least 1 WR needs to have the tools to be elite, not just more #2s & #3s. You can't be scared of Watkins either. The 2014 draft class: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000346685/article/mike-mayocks-position-rankings-for-2014-nfl-draft https://walterfootball.com/draft2014WR.php has the same rankings. When we traded we were at pick #9 and at least 1 of the top 3 should have been there for us, but yet we went up to pick #5 to grab Sammy (who was the #1 WR in the draft ranking wise) our problem is that there were 3 WRs in the top Tier (Sammy, Evans & OBJ) and we foolishly gave up too much to grab what we thought was the top one, when there were 2 other players in that tier of WR who were not that far off. This would have been comparable last year if Beane traded up this last draft for Q. Williams & Oliver was taken by the Jets at our pick. In this draft yes there is depth, but again there is a drop of from the Top 3 to the next tier. Given how terrible our roster depth is at this position, we sure as hell can use a top tier WR; we have a roster full of tier 2 and worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I would not be surprised is we take a serious look at Breshad Perriman. He really came in last year for Tampa when they needed him. He would be the perfect compliment to the WR we have now and a Hell of a lot cheaper than Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 6 hours ago, SirAndrew said: We need a receiver, but to say we are, “one receiver away from having one of the top offenses in the league” isn’t true. We need to build this offensive line to be a real contender. However, maybe signing a decent free agent WR would free up our draft picks to devote them to building the line. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. McD's mantra last season was "playoff caliber." While the OL was much improved, it wasn't playoff caliber. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: I get this is a deep class and good WRs can be had in any round, but we need elite playmakers on offense(we have none) at least 1 WR needs to have the tools to be elite, not just more #2s & #3s. You can't be scared of Watkins either. The 2014 draft class: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000346685/article/mike-mayocks-position-rankings-for-2014-nfl-draft https://walterfootball.com/draft2014WR.php has the same rankings. When we traded we were at pick #9 and at least 1 of the top 3 should have been there for us, but yet we went up to pick #5 to grab Sammy (who was the #1 WR in the draft ranking wise) our problem is that there were 3 WRs in the top Tier (Sammy, Evans & OBJ) and we foolishly gave up too much to grab what we thought was the top one, when there were 2 other players in that tier of WR who were not that far off. This would have been comparable last year if Beane traded up this last draft for Q. Williams & Oliver was taken by the Jets at our pick. In this draft yes there is depth, but again there is a drop of from the Top 3 to the next tier. Given how terrible our roster depth is at this position, we sure as hell can use a top tier WR; we have a roster full of tier 2 and worse. So by analogy to 2014, Beckham was gone by Pick #12. Are you saying we should be trying to trade into the top 10 or 12 picks to get a top WR? Again with the 2014 analogy, Jarvis Landry was drafted late in the 2nd round and Davante Adams at 53 in the 2nd. 1 hour ago, offyourocker said: I would not be surprised is we take a serious look at Breshad Perriman. He really came in last year for Tampa when they needed him. He would be the perfect compliment to the WR we have now and a Hell of a lot cheaper than Cooper. Funny you should mention that. I was just looking at the list of FA WR today and thinking "I wonder if we'll take a look at Breshad Perriman?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 8 hours ago, RyanC883 said: good. Cooper has been a disappointment, IMHO, and will be overpaid for what he produces. I'd rather have a rookie, and someone who will cost less like AJ Green. He drops a lot of easy catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Azucho98 said: Cooper seems to quit when things get tough... so he doesn't fit here. 100% agree with this. I saw his last few games where hes huffing and puffing about bad passes or bad plays and gives up on routes. No chance he comes here. Edited February 6, 2020 by Awwufelloff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, MAJBobby said: The Bills are one receiver away from having one of the top offenses in the league Clarification: MAJBobby is quoting David Carr here. The part that so indicated got edited out Edited February 6, 2020 by Hapless Bills Fan Clarifying quote 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So by analogy to 2014, Beckham was gone by Pick #12. Are you saying we should be trying to trade into the top 10 or 12 picks to get a top WR? Again with the 2014 analogy, Jarvis Landry was drafted late in the 2nd round and Davante Adams at 53 in the 2nd. So I want to both encourage discussion and make sure that shades 2014 does not color our views on this draft. Just because it is a deep WR class does not mean that, what we are missing on our offense overall will be found in any round and that all of the WRs are ranked closely in overall skill. The top 3 guys are yes, much better than the next 3-4 guys and the group below them and so on. Beane frequently has talked about this very concept and we all know he will move to get a player who is sliding down the board they have a high value on, especially if it is a position of need. On Knox: Beane: We were looking at, there was [the] same thing, there was starting to be a run on tight ends and you’re kind of holding your breath and you start looking. Our next pick was 112, I believe, so we started going. He fit the value where we picked him. There’s enough teams that could still use tight ends and we just didn’t see any way that he would fall. The next one that we had ranked was starting to be significantly lower and we just felt that this was the time to jump. That was still another position that we wanted to address in this draft. Beane: I was honestly exhausted after the first [trade up] because we were trying so hard to get Cody [Ford]. We were patient with Devin [Singletary] and then there was the run on tight ends right after we picked Devin. It’s Murphy’s Law, we saw some running backs there we liked and we saw some tight ends that we liked; and it was like ‘ok, it looks like maybe there’s a little more depth still at tight end,’ so we go with Devin, and then the tight ends start going and you start pressing, going ‘alright, how long do we want to wait before we address it. And that felt like the right time to make the move.’ Beane: There’s two things, the value on the board, and secondly, we thought it was a position we did need. And again, let’s say he got picked and we’re at four now, I didn’t want to be reaching in a lower round to grab him. It made sense to me, for us to trade up there because we had that value on Dawson [Knox]. On Edmunds: “He was sticking out on our board, and it’s a need,” explained Beane. “If a guy is sticking out on our board, and it’s really not a need, you might not do it. But with the hole we had there, and where he was on our board, it was a no-brainer. Even if we could have got to 14, we would have done it.” We can't compare the 2014 draft and team to the 2020 draft and team, different cap situations, different holes and at different points in their trajectory. There is no need to doa full rundown on 2014, but in a nutshell (Sammy, Evans & OBJ were the top tier, blue chip WR guys) at 9 we would have had a choice of one or even 2 of them. The FO chose to trade up when other areas of the team could have been focused on. As we have discussed ad nauseam over the years. (most of the following notes and comments came from Nolan Nawrocki & Walter football) Landry & Adams well there are reasons for them not being in the top tier. Landry ran a 4.77 40, had the 2nd worst vertical at the combine, and had issues with separation against better DBs in college, he only started in 12 games, he also was listed as 6'1" by LSU but measured 5'11" and had a lean frame. His lack of size and speed would cause issues with better DBs in the NFL. What he did excel at was the route tree and making contested catches (reason for many of these was due to his lack of separation). All of these question marks caused him to drop and his pure athletic talent cannot match the top 3. But great route running and strong hands allowed him to carve a role and be successful, Keenan Allen is the same and Mike Wallace is a guy who faded out due to not being able to develop a route tree. Adams was a third year sophmore entering the draft, average to below average acceleration from a dead stop, did not play against elite competition. When Adams is asked to run more complex routes, he's often sloppy. He frequently rounds off his routes and doesn't consistently display the sharp cuts that can create separation. The sloppiness of his play raises some concerns that he's willing to play down to the level of his competition, because on occasion he did show the necessary explosiveness to win against NFL-caliber defensive backs. He ran only a portion of the route tree at Fresno State, running a high percentage of go routes, comebacks and screens—routes which require relatively little timing and explosiveness. Both of these types of players can take time to develop and are good choices for RDs2 & 3, but are by no means the blue chippers who could come in and contribute immediately to start a run on our current team. The further you go down into the talent, the more questions there are and the more time it will take to develop these guys. How long are you willing to wait for that development and hope it comes? the lack of a blue chip pass catchers on our team is the primary are we need to fix this year. Beane end of the season presser: Hopefully, we’ll just be able to add some pieces here and there to help us take the next step... “Sometimes Josh, he wants it so bad that sometimes he tries to do too much. If we’re not moving the ball at times, I think that’s probably one of the things he has to work on, is still playing within himself. I think he tried to put all 45 other players on his back and do things that he shouldn’t do . . . He’s a fiery competitor, and I would much rather have those errors than check-down-charlie, being timid, all those types of things... At the end of the day, it’s maturity, and it’s me doing a better job of increasing the talent around him, too, so that he can trust, have more players that [he] can trust and make plays for him, where he’s just got to get the ball out, hand it off, do whatever, and not feel like he has to do too much.” For Edmunds in 2018 we gave up Pick #22 in RD1 and Pick #65 in RD3 to move up to pick #16 and Pick #154 in RD5; with this kind of value Beane will move for a top 3 WR. Ithink this makes sense around pick 14-16, need to jump in front of Philly & the Raiders. Easy trade to make especially with our extra 4ths and 5ths we can easily get back into RD3 and even still package them to move up in RD2 or grab another second rounder. In 2017 to move from pick #10 we got #27 in RD1, plus #91 RD3 and 2018#1. Would Beane pull the trigger for Jeudy or Lamb and give up something similar? He might and this is tougher to predict. Just remember we at least had talks on both AB & OBJ last year = big game WR fishing. OBJ was a #1 a 3rd and Peppers for a huge contract and a Diva. Personally I would rather make a trade like that for one of the top in this draft. I'm not addressing AB at all.. Edit: @Virgiljust adding you because this more fully explains my trade up for Ruggs and why (if I was free at work during the selection) I would have gone to 13 for Lamb.... Edited February 6, 2020 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 11 hours ago, Azucho98 said: Cooper seems to quit when things get tough... so he doesn't fit here. add him and a few pieces and it won’t be that tough. I’d be glad for him to be our Sammy in a super bowl run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyDogLuvsPB Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 12 hours ago, whatdrought said: Funny you should mention this... Due to a conversation in another thread, I am (not for the first time in the past couple years, mind you) reading through the 2018 draft night thread... The amount of Allen haters is still surprising to me. Especially when you figure he has had nothing to do with 4th quarter collapses in the past two years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I think... well I guess I should say hope, that the bengals fail or don’t decide to sign AJ Green and then consequently sign Amari to an egregious deal. they need someone for joe burrow to throw to and develop with. then we can swipe in and sign AJ. I can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfBubbleGum Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 15 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Mc/Beane has won me over. We’re close because of their shrewdness. If they think he’s the piece, he’ll be wearing Scarlet, Royal & White. Why don't you just say Red, White and Blue? God bless America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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