Another Fan Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Steptide said: Sad thing nowadays, is if you make a mistake, even if you completely turn your life around, there will be people that will forever hold you accountable for past mistakes and can never forgive. Pretty sad way to live ^^^ This. And what how old was he at the time like 24? As you say that's an awful way to live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Steptide said: Sad thing nowadays, is if you make a mistake, even if you completely turn your life around, there will be people that will forever hold you accountable for past mistakes and can never forgive. Pretty sad way to live It's simply vile and indecent to bring up something like that at a time like this. Fella was being a good father and his little girl dies with him. Anything other than heartfelt sorrow is a sign of a sick soul. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: It's simply vile and indecent to bring up something like that at a time like this. Fella was being a good father and his little girl dies with him. Anything other than heartfelt sorrow is a sign of a sick soul. Completely agree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, Steptide said: Sad thing nowadays, is if you make a mistake, even if you completely turn your life around, there will be people that will forever hold you accountable for past mistakes and can never forgive. Pretty sad way to live While I personally do not think he was guilty, and that it was consensual, just as it played out in court... lets not down play "rape" as some "innocent mistake". Quote a rap song in a tweet with an N-bomb when you were 14? Sure, it should be forgotten. Rape someone in a hotel, or bar bathroom, or whatever... you probably deserve the label. But let's move on since there are bigger things here, and yall are the only ones bringing it up in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Steptide said: Not that it really matters, but I wonder if this will spread to the pro bowl players as the game goes on There is footage of the players in the Nuggets Rockets game finding out. I am having a hard time holding it together right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 9 people on the helicopter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 fuuuuuuuuuck there were 9 people on board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: While I personally do not think he was guilty, and that it was consensual, just as it played out in court... lets not down play "rape" as some "innocent mistake". Quote a rap song in a tweet with an N-bomb when you were 14? Sure, it should be forgotten. Rape someone in a hotel, or bar bathroom, or whatever... you probably deserve the label. But let's move on since there are bigger things here, and yall are the only ones bringing it up in this thread. Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 There are also disgusting comments out there about Kobe. People are sick sometimes in the face of tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Just now, GoBills808 said: fuuuuuuuuuck there were 9 people on board is it 9 total or 9 pax plus pilot? Respect sheriff's office refusing to name names ahead of coroner/next of kin notification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 22 minutes ago, Steptide said: Sad thing nowadays, is if you make a mistake, even if you completely turn your life around, there will be people that will forever hold you accountable for past mistakes and can never forgive. Pretty sad way to live Point is....he was never held “accountable”.....except for the check he wrote.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Steptide said: 9 people on the helicopter Just heard that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: is it 9 total or 9 pax plus pilot? Respect sheriff's office refusing to name names ahead of coroner/next of kin notification pilot plus eight is what cbsn just reported from fire dept/sherrif presser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Another Fan said: ^^^ This. And what how old was he at the time like 24? As you say that's an awful way to live 27.... ultimately, if you believe he forcibly raped a young woman at work, it’s an all around weird situation to glorify him today. You never want to bash a guy in a tragic story like dying with his daughter.... but there’s something likewise a bit gross about celebrating a rapist if you believe the story. And Being 24 wouldnt excuse what he was accused of, if he did it. its the weird thing in celebrity. We get likable marketable products and in his case it looks like he had a lot of good in him. But hard to know behind the curtain. ultimately I’ll opt for sending condolences to his family and not judging too harshly those that may be impacted or triggered by his past accusations. Edited January 26, 2020 by NoSaint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Just now, GoBills808 said: pilot plus eight is what cbsn just reported from fire dept/sherrif presser Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: pilot plus eight is what cbsn just reported from fire dept/sherrif presser Damn, sucks to see that list keep growing... Besides Kobe and daughter and her teammate/parents, any word on who the other 2-4 were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Jalen nailing this interview and keeping his composure. Take notes Booger and Tess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, TH3 said: Point is....he was never held “accountable”.....except for the check he wrote.... Maybe, but it was a long time ago and is pretty inconsiderate to his family to talk about that right now in the face of tragedy. Nobody is perfect and he seems to have grown and turned his life around. Past is the past. Forgive and forget 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 apologies if already posted. https://twitter.com/SirajAHashmi/status/1221554624563499011 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Damn, sucks to see that list keep growing... Besides Kobe and daughter and her teammate/parents, any word on who the other 2-4 were? The police chief said they wouldn't put the names of the passengers out until the coroner identify them all and the familys are informed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LABILLBACKER Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 36 minutes ago, Gugny said: Seriously!! Also ... can you imagine being a 17 or 18-year-old high school basketball player, playing against him?? My heart hurts over this. He was a gifted athlete and, from what I could always tell, a top-notch human being. RIP. He was the best of the best. Even Magic said he was the greatest Laker. Maybe the greatest player to ever dribble a basketball. He was even a better human being. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said: He was the best of the best. Even Magic said he was the greatest Laker. Maybe the greatest player to ever dribble a basketball. He was even a better human being. I was listening to one of the many commentaries this afternoon. Someone said, "If you asked Kobe who the greatest Laker was, he'd say Magic. If you ask Magic who the greatest Laker was, he'd say Kobe." Very telling. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 https://twitter.com/ringer/status/1221565896772112385 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, Steptide said: The police chief said they wouldn't put the names of the passengers out until the coroner identify them all and the familys are informed I'm not looking for names, I probably wont know anyone anyways. Just curious as to the relations. Friends/family, etc. Doesnt really matter since it's tragic regardless. But just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, Gugny said: Someone said, "If you asked Kobe who the greatest Laker was, he'd say Magic. If you ask Magic who the greatest Laker was, he'd say Kobe." If you asked Shaq who the greatest Laker was, he'd say Shaq. That's the main reason I always liked Kobe. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 hours ago, KD in CA said: It's wasn't that foggy. Local LA TV was reporting on it live early on before they had any idea who was on board. thanks for update...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Tiger just said that he did not know about Kobe until he stepped off 18th when a fan or someone else said to him he died and he was stunned. the belief was he had known given many there knew. fans yelled do it for.. and he didn’t understand it until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 He wasn't a horrible human; he wasn't a great human; he was just human. He was a great basketball player and he affected a lot of people through that career. Why do people have to hit the extremes with their comments on this? Just accept the whole truth and reflect on it. Reading the stuff about him and his daughter is sad. I'll definitely translate the personal effects of this story to my own life in a positive way. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: He wasn't a horrible human; he wasn't a great human; he was just human. He was a great basketball player and he affected a lot of people through that career. Why do people have to hit the extremes with their comments on this? Just accept the whole truth and reflect on it. Reading the stuff about him and his daughter is sad. I'll definitely translate the personal effects of this story to my own life in a positive way. “It may help to understand human affairs to be clear that most of the great triumphs and tragedies of history are caused, not by people being fundamentally good or fundamentally bad, but by people being fundamentally people.” -Neil Gaiman, Good Omens 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: If you asked Shaq who the greatest Laker was, he'd say Shaq. That's the main reason I always liked Kobe. It be more like "That's an easy one baby. Shaq Diesel , Superman, the big Aristotle' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Another Fan said: The only sports related death that might compare off the top of my head was when Thurman Munson crashed his helicopter flying back to Ohio and died. Even though I don't like the Yankees he was a guy worth liking. I imagine news spreads more rapidly like that than 40 years ago. Horrible, disturbing story. I pray for his family For me being into golf as well takes me back to Payne Stewart’s plane crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: The establishment media is truly terrible. I get that it's a story, but give it a day or two (or week) before launching into what's is essentially "he deserved it" coverage. (Daily Beast and WaPo reporter) The entire coverage today has been terrible. From top to bottom. Felicia is a 'journalist' for the Washington post. This discussion on how he was flawed could be had after family, friends and fans could have absorbed the news and grieved. What dirt does Felicia have on Kobe's daughter and the others killed in this accident? I can't wait for that. What about the total disregard for the Bryant Family? Does anyone think they want this? A real journalist would have waited a while and used that time to put together a story on the tragic loss of life, and then have a civil discussion about Kobe's life; good and bad. It could have been used as a piece that led to a more general discussion about the complexity of the human condition, or how much slack we give our sports and entertainment heroes, but nope. Bodies aren't even cold and this piece of human garbage can't wait to use it as a platform. We get this vile trash instead. I am truly disgusted. RIP Black Mamba. RIP Little Mamba. My sincere condolences to the Bryant Family, Altobelli Family, and the Laker Nation. Edited January 26, 2020 by RocCityRoller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: For me being into golf as well takes me back to Payne Stewart’s plane crash. Payne was an active player who was ranked near the top of all golf when he died. dale Earnhardt was an active racer kobe was retired so there is a difference years ago an active baseball p,Ayer died due to a small plane crash..it was Thurman Munson died in early August in 1979. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, njbuff said: There are also disgusting comments out there about Kobe. People are sick sometimes in the face of tragedy. There is a certain mindset that can not let a moment of tragedy pass without trying to advance their cause. I'll leave it for PPP, I've said enough a post or two above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Terrible day. Terrible news. RIP Mamba. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Golden Goat said: If you asked Shaq who the greatest Laker was, he'd say Shaq. That's the main reason I always liked Kobe. And that is the reason I’ll also take Shaq over Kobe. Shaq was/is a goofball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: What do you just land it in a parking lot? You'd probably be surprised how many helipads there are around a city, but actually parking lot would not usually be a first choice any more than a road is for a fixed wing pilot. You want someplace where gollygoshers can't stroll into your rotors. 2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: it was enough for him to quit the school so ... i imagine planes are a little safer, he said something about anti rotation being a big problem. Yeah, fundamentally if a fixed-wing pilot's motor dies, the plane turns into a poor glider and you look for a spot in your glide range you can hit (Edit: OK, "hit" might not be the best choice of word there) If a rotory wing pilot's motor dies or one of the just-too-many Jesus bolts goes bad, there are some things they can try but the procedure is more difficult and depending on the failure they may just be SOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 44 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Crap. I have several clients who work at OCC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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