Hebert19 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 What the hell? Can't be? Both Beasley and Brown top 30 in receptions and TDs and brown is top 20 in yards and Beasley is top 40. Crazy considering zay jones was top wr last year. Draft a young stud this year and allen develops more...knox continues to improve and we may have a real offense next year. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Yeah both of these guys are better then any WRs the bills have had in forever. People are being greedy acting like we need a real #1 and complaining about the 3rd guy. WR is not the issue at all with this offense. The qb needs to be more accurate, the #2 RB cannot be Gore, the play calling is very frustrating, the game day inactives are puzzling and we need a TE that can be a consistent option in the passing game. Those are the issues. Not the WRs. Brown and Beasley are excellent. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) Yep, they need one more WR to go with these two. Shame it couldn’t be Foster, be nice to be able to use draft picks and FA money on other needs. Edited December 23, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Two quality FA additions. Now all we need is a couple of big WR's to match with them, a younger hammering type RB, a OL tweak or two, and we'll be top 5 on both offense and defense. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Part of the reason is they have a really good QB throwing the ball their way. 8 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Start Duke !!!!!!!!!! 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 The cliche is that a great quarterback makes the players around him better. Both Brown and Beasley are having career years--with a QB in only his second year. People criticizing Allen are going to feeling foolish real soon. 7 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Yeah both of these guys are better then any WRs the bills have had in forever. People are being greedy acting like we need a real #1 and complaining about the 3rd guy. WR is not the issue at all with this offense. The qb needs to be more accurate, the #2 RB cannot be Gore, the play calling is very frustrating, the game day inactives are puzzling and we need a TE that can be a consistent option in the passing game. Those are the issues. Not the WRs. Brown and Beasley are excellent. Brown & Beasley are very good but we need a big bodied WR on the field to compliment Beas & Smoke. It deprives the Bills of flexibility in the passing game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Curious where does Knox rank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Where are the idiots that always say Brown isn’t a true #1. Those guys are morons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Part of the reason is that Josh rarely throws to anyone else. He doesn’t really spread his passes around. It’s basically 90% of the time he throws to one of these two guys. Is it because Josh focuses only on these two guys, or is it because these two guys are the most reliable receivers? Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Just now, Gray Beard said: Part of the reason is that Josh rarely throws to anyone else. He doesn’t really spread his passes around. It’s basically 90% of the time he throws to one of these two guys. Is it because Josh focuses only on these two guys, or is it because these two guys are the most reliable receivers? Not that there’s anything wrong with that. maybe bc his other options are practice squad quality WR's and a rookie TE. and for some reason Daboll doesn't know that you are allowed to your RB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Yeah both of these guys are better then any WRs the bills have had in forever. People are being greedy acting like we need a real #1 and complaining about the 3rd guy. WR is not the issue at all with this offense. The qb needs to be more accurate, the #2 RB cannot be Gore, the play calling is very frustrating, the game day inactives are puzzling and we need a TE that can be a consistent option in the passing game. Those are the issues. Not the WRs. Brown and Beasley are excellent. A strong 3rd WR iss required for the QB to spread the ball. Look at the stat's sheet the last few weeks...Against the Steelers we had Brown catch 7 catches and no one else made any significant contribution. Similarly against the Patriots, wee had Beasley have 7 catches and rest had minimal contribution. We need more targets including involving the RBs in the passing game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said: Curious where does Knox rank? #1 .... in drops. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 And Josh Allen has quietly put together 29 total TDs which is pretty ridiculous considering all of the hate he gets. This offense can hang, we just need another RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: #1 .... in drops. Need tighter belts. It is embarrassing. Edited December 23, 2019 by I am the egg man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Amazing that 2 castoff FA WRs could have career years with our horribly inaccurate 2nd year QB. Must be all the coverage rolling to our elite TE that’s freeing them up. All kidding aside, the Bills still need a bigger physical WR or another speed demon plus reliability at TE. Football is about matchups, and the Bills have speed plus a slot guy. Need one more piece in the passing game, and that’s not being greedy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Yeah both of these guys are better then any WRs the bills have had in forever. People are being greedy acting like we need a real #1 and complaining about the 3rd guy. WR is not the issue at all with this offense. The qb needs to be more accurate, the #2 RB cannot be Gore, the play calling is very frustrating, the game day inactives are puzzling and we need a TE that can be a consistent option in the passing game. Those are the issues. Not the WRs. Brown and Beasley are excellent. Maybe the worst thing I have seen Moorman ever post-that we are greedy and don’t need a #1 WR?? Teams have guys catching 145 passes and RBs catching over 100 passes and we get giddy when we get 1 guy with 75 catches ?? We need a big time #1 to compete for a championship. Period. This is why we can’t compete. The Pats took away Brown and our only WR answer was Beasley because we have no one else. We need teams to single cover Brown and Beasley because they have to cover some Julio Jones caliber player. We do not have that guy. Someone capable of 1400-1600 yards per year that teams have to gameplan against every game. This is a passing league. You need multiple backs and multiple WRs who can scare a defense on any play. I’m pretty sure teams aren’t afraid of anyone not named Brown or Singletary right now. We will be lucky to ever get a bye without one. Edited December 23, 2019 by Locomark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 It's the QB. I can't wait to see what he can do with an elite WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Nick the Greek said: Where are the idiots that always say Brown isn’t a true #1. Those guys are morons. Brown has been excellent and deserves all the accolates he gets. It doenst change the fact that a burner and productive.....we come along situations in games if we had a basketball player with size, weight, and separation ability could help us in the red zone and on the boundry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Brown set a career high in yards and Cole is 50 away from his career high....which was in 2016. Brown's career high was in 2015 with Carson Palmer as his QB if I'm not mistaken. That was a good offense. Brown was their #2. Beasley has only been over 600 yards in a season twice. And needs 8 catches to best a career high. Usually UFAs don't work out THIS well. Testament to what this franchise is becoming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Nick the Greek said: Where are the idiots that always say Brown isn’t a true #1. Those guys are morons. His career numbers tell you he is not. He's never been a #1. Until Josh Allen became his QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Yeah both of these guys are better then any WRs the bills have had in forever. People are being greedy acting like we need a real #1 and complaining about the 3rd guy. WR is not the issue at all with this offense. The qb needs to be more accurate, the #2 RB cannot be Gore, the play calling is very frustrating, the game day inactives are puzzling and we need a TE that can be a consistent option in the passing game. Those are the issues. Not the WRs. Brown and Beasley are excellent. Name one other NFL team where they are 1 and 2 on the depth chart, or where McKenzie is the 3? I’ll hang up and listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Name one other NFL team where they are 1 and 2 on the depth chart, or where McKenzie is the 3? I’ll hang up and listen Oakland green bay Philly Washington giants miami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Hebert19 said: What the hell? Can't be? Both Beasley and Brown top 30 in receptions and TDs and brown is top 20 in yards and Beasley is top 40. Crazy considering zay jones was top wr last year. Draft a young stud this year and allen develops more...knox continues to improve and we may have a real offense next year. Well when teamed up with Kelvin Benjamin, Andre Holmes and Robert Foster -Zay Jones was the best of that disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Yeah both of these guys are better then any WRs the bills have had in forever. People are being greedy acting like we need a real #1 and complaining about the 3rd guy. WR is not the issue at all with this offense. The qb needs to be more accurate, the #2 RB cannot be Gore, the play calling is very frustrating, the game day inactives are puzzling and we need a TE that can be a consistent option in the passing game. Those are the issues. Not the WRs. Brown and Beasley are excellent. We absolutely need a number 1 WR, and that is not a knock on Brown and Beasley at all. They are great pieces and will continue to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Process said: We absolutely need a number 1 WR, and that is not a knock on Brown and Beasley at all. They are great pieces and will continue to be. I couldn’t care less what ‘number’ the new WR will be but I do know that as currently constructed the Bills are effectively playing down a man on offense! They’ve played with 10 men all year. Who’s the other WR? I have absolutely no idea; and it’s pretty hard to believe that the coaching/management staff has allowed this to go on for 15 games now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Just now, SoCal Deek said: I couldn’t care less what ‘number’ the new WR will be but I do know that as currently constructed the Bills are effectively playing down a man on offense! They’ve played with 10 men all year. Who’s the other WR? I have absolutely no idea; and it’s pretty hard to believe that the coaching/management staff has allowed this to go on for 15 games now. Right, not a fan of that term either really. The Bills need another starting WR, and one that is better than anyone we currently have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Locomark said: Maybe the worst thing I have seen Moorman ever post-that we are greedy and don’t need a #1 WR?? Teams have guys catching 145 passes and RBs catching over 100 passes and we get giddy when we get 1 guy with 75 catches ?? We need a big time #1 to compete for a championship. Period. This is why we can’t compete. The Pats took away Brown and our only WR answer was Beasley because we have no one else. We need teams to single cover Brown and Beasley because they have to cover some Julio Jones caliber player. We do not have that guy. Someone capable of 1400-1600 yards per year that teams have to gameplan against every game. This is a passing league. You need multiple backs and multiple WRs who can scare a defense on any play. I’m pretty sure teams aren’t afraid of anyone not named Brown or Singletary right now. We will be lucky to ever get a bye without one. We don’t need a Michael Thomas or Julio Jones. It’d be nice, but... it’s not a necessity. Another receiver the caliber of Robert Woods would fit the bill, and make this offense a lot harder to stop. Particularly if Knox improves his hands and blocking in the off season. We’re playing #4 WRs as #2’s. That’s detrimental, but at least Foster isn’t our best receiving option anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Process said: Right, not a fan of that term either really. The Bills need another starting WR, and one that is better than anyone we currently have. After my post I looked it up, just to see if I’m nuts but if you take out Zay and Duke, and discount the number of times McKenzie got credit for a reception on a jet sweep it comes out to more or less ONE reception a week for someone not named Brown or Beasley. Come on! That’s really sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 I definitely think we need to take a receiver early but nice to see a QB that can get the ball outside the hashes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Oakland green bay Philly Washington giants miami I’ll take Adams from GB as my #1.... The rest aren’t in the playoffs, which reinforces the notion that we still have room to build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tumaro02 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 10 hours ago, finn said: The cliche is that a great quarterback makes the players around him better. Both Brown and Beasley are having career years--with a QB in only his second year. People criticizing Allen are going to feeling foolish real soon. People have been feeling foolish since he was drafted and hate was spouted ad nauseum. He is getting undeniably better. 1st Pats game (H) 13/28 153 0 3 24.0 QBR 2nd Pats game (A) 13/26 208 2 0 102.7. QBR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Oakland green bay Philly Washington giants miami I think Brown would be the #1 for most of these teams with the exception of Green Bay (Adams), and maybe Philly (Jeffery) and Washington (McLaurin). If we're saying add both Brown and Beasley to these teams, Beasley wouldn't be the #1 or #2 WR for any of these teams. Oakland: Brown & Tyrell Green Bay: Brown & Adams Philly: Brown & Jeffery Washington: Brown & McLaurin Giants: Brown & Tate Miami: Brown & Parker That's not a diss to Beasley, but he's probably just a good #3 guy that happens to be forced into a larger role due to our limited options. At any rate, being a #1 or #2 for a bunch of teams that have lackluster receivers isn't really saying all that much. Much like ourselves, all these teams are looking for upgrades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Yeah both of these guys are better then any WRs the bills have had in forever. People are being greedy acting like we need a real #1 and complaining about the 3rd guy. WR is not the issue at all with this offense. The qb needs to be more accurate, the #2 RB cannot be Gore, the play calling is very frustrating, the game day inactives are puzzling and we need a TE that can be a consistent option in the passing game. Those are the issues. Not the WRs. Brown and Beasley are excellent. We do need a real #1 WR. But as much as we need a big bodied true #1 WR, we need to shore of the book ends on the OLine more to protect Josh better first. We will also need some key Defensive additions since Lorenzo (36) is getting on in years as well as Hughes (31). I agree about Gore. It's great that he got his yards and all to make it to #3 (i think) all time in yardage but he is not that good anymore. I thought it was a huge mistake releasing McCoy instead of Gore. I know many have been ready to riot to get Duke in the line up but I really don't think he is the answer either. He's tall yes and he runs very good routes (as it has been told) but clearly he is missing something if the coaches are not putting him in the starting line up so I am not sure what confuses you in the inactives. Kroft missed a lot of time early on and Knox is a rookie. Come next year, i think we will be just fine with these 2 as our starting TE's. With only Brown and Beasley as reliable WR's, I'm not sure how you can think that the WR position is NOT an issue. There is no depth at all beyond them. Foster is clearly un-reliable otherwise he would get more playing time. I am already made my point on Duke. Who else on this team do you think are as good and as reliable as Brown or Beasley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 11 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Yep, they need one more WR to go with these two. Shame it couldn’t be Foster, be nice to be able to use draft picks and FA money on other needs. He could be, they need his to star running those long crossing routs that he ran last year. Daboll keeps sending him on go routs only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo Junction said: We don’t need a Michael Thomas or Julio Jones. It’d be nice, but... it’s not a necessity. Another receiver the caliber of Robert Woods would fit the bill, and make this offense a lot harder to stop. Particularly if Knox improves his hands and blocking in the off season. We’re playing #4 WRs as #2’s. That’s detrimental, but at least Foster isn’t our best receiving option anymore. I would take Laviska Shenault in next years draft, he would be an awesome No. 2-3 guy in the first year or two and would be ready to step up as the No. 1 when Brown retires. Brown looks to be a great guy to mentor a young and hungry rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: I think Brown would be the #1 for most of these teams with the exception of Green Bay (Adams), and maybe Philly (Jeffery) and Washington (McLaurin). If we're saying add both Brown and Beasley to these teams, Beasley wouldn't be the #1 or #2 WR for any of these teams. Oakland: Brown & Tyrell Green Bay: Brown & Adams Philly: Brown & Jeffery Washington: Brown & McLaurin Giants: Brown & Tate Miami: Brown & Parker That's not a diss to Beasley, but he's probably just a good #3 guy that happens to be forced into a larger role due to our limited options. At any rate, being a #1 or #2 for a bunch of teams that have lackluster receivers isn't really saying all that much. Much like ourselves, all these teams are looking for upgrades. You nailed it. Our 1&2 would not be the top two on any other nfl team. Mckenzie, the 3 is a roster bubble talent. anyone convincing themselves upgrading WRs wouldn’t dramatically impact this passing game is delusional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Oakland green bay Philly Washington giants miami I could argue against Philly and Giants, but okay. Let's assume your list is correct. Oakland is mediocre, Green Bay has one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Philly is mediocre. Washington, New Jersey, and Miami are all basement dweller teams. Is it really an accomplishment to be better than a bunch of bad teams? (Not including Green Bay) Even if we are better than these teams, it puts us at 26th in the league- not really a place that I want my We corps to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 12 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Yeah both of these guys are better then any WRs the bills have had in forever. People are being greedy acting like we need a real #1 and complaining about the 3rd guy. WR is not the issue at all with this offense. The qb needs to be more accurate, the #2 RB cannot be Gore, the play calling is very frustrating, the game day inactives are puzzling and we need a TE that can be a consistent option in the passing game. Those are the issues. Not the WRs. Brown and Beasley are excellent. I agree with most of what you said about the WR's , Beasley & Brown are top's on the team & in the league but the rest of the bunch Foster, McKenzie, don't do enough to warrant a roster spot to this point maybe ST's. They need 1 more productive piece which i think we believe is on the roster but inactive most of the time & has proven he has really good hands ! Yes Josh needs to be more accurate but Frank needs to be used the way he made his HOF career between the tackles not running to the outside & more than every once in a while like this last game , 2 plays no carries ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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