Brian Daboll has no future here

[Steptide]

4th down, 1 min left, and one time out. Why not take the final timeout there? 

[Tesla03]

4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

This might be the first game all season the offense actually outplayed the defense when you consider the matchups and rankings of each side of the ball. Not the right week to criticize Daboll.

 

Many people here thought if we scored 20 we would win. We could have easily score 20 but still would have lost. 

 

you do realize the only reason the defense played bad was bc they were gassed the entire 2nd half. 

 

look at the TOP before our final drive. 

[Beast]

30 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Who would have known that an OC who’s been bad every chance he’s had in the NFL would be a bad OC for us? 
 

McD is 0-2 on OC choices. I doubt he gets fired though because continuity or something ridiculous.

So, if Josh hits Knox those two times and the Bills end up with 28 points on the board, how do you feel then?

[Kiva]

I think the problem is two fold. I. Daboll is a problem, he is very predictable and he doesn’t learn from his mistakes. II Josh Allen has two to three good drives an entire game, his accuracy issues and lazy mental errors hurt this team. 
 

Too many wasted plays. 

[billykay]

23 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Have you seen what he had to work with? Prior to here he might have had the worst combination of QBs and offensive personnel in the history of the NFL for an OC with more than one team. 

 

Once again. People look at stats without context. Doesn't work bro. Gotta know what you are looking at.

No one ever ever ever likes their OC, especially after a loss. DabolI and Allen both have a lot of room for improvement. 

[DuckyBoys]

Story of the game is Allen hits Brown on a bomb td.  The D finally gets a stop .  We have a 17-13 lead  and instead of trying to expand it our offense goes out and Daboll runs Singeltary on back to back runs into a heavy run D front  Its been the same story all year  Team does not know how to go for the jugular  Too worried to make a mistake to make a big p;ay

[BADOLBILZ]

The offense is garbage but I can't see Daboll going anywhere.

 

Allen has always been a terrible fit for this style of offense.

 

It's complicated for a young QB and not matched to his strengths.

 

But *maybe* this offseason Allen can grow as a passer and start hitting the windows that are required to make it work.

 

He's putting in the effort but right now he just misses way too many throws that need to be made to make it work.

 

If he can't learn to hit those layups the defense gives him then they will have to go in another direction schematically on offense.  

 

[wagon127]

36 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

End of discussion. the guy is clueless when it comes to putting together a top offense. 

 

28th in the league in pass offense. ranked bottom 10 in almost every single important category. You saw on that last drive how he is holding back this offense. How come when the game is on the line our offense suddenly becomes alive? Allen was going off script and making plays with his arm and legs. 

 

Daboll has 1 more year to figure his job out or he needs to go. being ranked bottom 5 pass offense as a 10 win playoff team is a joke. 

Our offense plays in direct correlation to how strong the defense is. Its not daboll's fault our offensive line failed on that last play. Its also not daboll's fault how good the last 3 defense's we faced are.

[BigBobby]

13 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Statistically, it's probably been our most effective play this season. Can't remember where I saw it, but a couple weeks ago, I remember reading that our success rate on the QB keepers was like double our average.

No way u are right. I'm talking about designed runs. Not play breakdown scrambles. Not possible that play works well statistically. It's like gore up the middle.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

9 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

 

you do realize the only reason the defense played bad was bc they were gassed the entire 2nd half. 

 

look at the TOP before our final drive. 

 

And that is partly their own fault allowing long drives. Pats started at the one yard line and drove for a fg in one of the drives.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Sammy Watkins' Rib

[BringBackOrton]

3 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

Story of the game is Allen hits Brown on a bomb td.  The D finally gets a stop .  We have a 17-13 lead  and instead of trying to expand it our offense goes out and Daboll runs Singeltary on back to back runs into a heavy run D front  Its been the same story all year  Team does not know how to go for the jugular  Too worried to make a mistake to make a big p;ay

You forgot Allen hits Knox on a bomb and our next drive hits JB on a bomb. I guess if you omit the time he did, then yeah, he didn’t.

[Bangarang]

9 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

So, if Josh hits Knox those two times and the Bills end up with 28 points on the board, how do you feel then?

Like Josh bailed Daboll out 

[billykay]

Don’t mean to hijack this thread but just one question.                                   At the end of the 1st half, why was a 10 second runoff called for. Luckily, we had a timeout. Thanks. 

[Green Lightning]

37 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Some of the offensive play calls are a little crazy but Josh Allen did not play well enough to dethrone the Pats* in this game.

Period.

Agreed. Played a hell of a lot better than he did the 1st Pat's game but that was Peterman-like. Our 1st downs were awful. I believe in Josh but our passing O cannot continue to be this meager. Is it the scheme, the schemer or the QB is what I don't know.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I just don't understand the hate for Daboll. Allen is going to have 30+ total TD'S in his 2nd year. There is a long way to go on offense. Changing the OC is just a bad decision IMO. Keep building.

[Teddy KGB]

50 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

End of discussion. the guy is clueless when it comes to putting together a top offense. 

 

28th in the league in pass offense. ranked bottom 10 in almost every single important category. You saw on that last drive how he is holding back this offense. How come when the game is on the line our offense suddenly becomes alive? Allen was going off script and making plays with his arm and legs. 

 

Daboll has 1 more year to figure his job out or he needs to go. being ranked bottom 5 pass offense as a 10 win playoff team is a joke. 

 

He is terrified of scoring points once we have the lead it seems 

[twist_to_open]

51 minutes ago, Tesla03 said:

End of discussion. the guy is clueless when it comes to putting together a top offense. 

 

28th in the league in pass offense. ranked bottom 10 in almost every single important category. You saw on that last drive how he is holding back this offense. How come when the game is on the line our offense suddenly becomes alive? Allen was going off script and making plays with his arm and legs. 

 

Daboll has 1 more year to figure his job out or he needs to go. being ranked bottom 5 pass offense as a 10 win playoff team is a joke. 

Let's step off the cliff shall we? We made the playoffs and played the Pats to the last minute.

[Meatloaf63]

29 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I have a hard time blaming daboll. He is sketchy sometimes and a little too cute on his plays occasionally. But we don’t execute. 
If you want aggressive offensive play calling the offense needs to execute the little stuff. Sometimes they just can’t. Allen misses throws. Offensive line misses blocks. Receivers drop balls. They have no rhythm. 
When they execute and play well you see games like Dallas where we look good. 
I am sure they could upgrade coordinator but it’s hard to keep putting the blame on him. 
If Allen hits those two touchdowns this thread isn’t here. 

If he hits the touch down in the end the pats most likely come up the field and get a game winning field goal...

[DuckyBoys]

10 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

He is terrified of scoring points once we have the lead it seems 

that was the point I was trying to make  Its like they unleash Allen as a last resort  Otherwise were playing for third down over and over instead of going for the jugular

[RiotAct]

Daboll will be back next year.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, RiotAct said:

Daboll will be back next year.

As he should be.

[bobobonators]

I love Allen, but he overthrew two open (first drive and last drive ) WR in the end zone tonight. 
 

I’m not crazy about Daboll, but I think its a little bit of both. Theres still a learning curve with Allen and im willing to be patient with Daboll. 

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

Honestly I think most of it was Ford has no future at RT. Also, Star has no future in Buffalo. Both of them were awful on their respective lines. 

Star played a decent game, he didn't get trucked by a rb or whiff on tackles like Milano tonight. 

41 minutes ago, twist_to_open said:

Let's step off the cliff shall we? We made the playoffs and played the Pats to the last minute.

Over reaction Monday a couple of days early.

[zow2]

Can we ever run screen passes to Knox like the Rams just ran to Higbee? It’s so perfect and Knox is an athlete.  Give Josh some short easy wide open throws.

[Max Fischer]

1 hour ago, Tesla03 said:

End of discussion. the guy is clueless when it comes to putting together a top offense. 

 

28th in the league in pass offense. ranked bottom 10 in almost every single important category. You saw on that last drive how he is holding back this offense. How come when the game is on the line our offense suddenly becomes alive? Allen was going off script and making plays with his arm and legs. 

 

Daboll has 1 more year to figure his job out or he needs to go. being ranked bottom 5 pass offense as a 10 win playoff team is a joke. 

 

My God, the cranks are out in force. 

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, Maynard said:

It’s Daboll, it’s Allen overthrowing. It all needs to improve. 

Yep- and our O line play is sub par. Our Main RB is a 2, our receivers are small, and Allen is brutal at times.

[CEN-CAL17]

He’s got the right scheme and everything.... I just don’t think he has a feel for the game.

 

I’d like to see Ken Dorsey take this offense, expand on it and make it his.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

You DONT PUT IN EXTRA BLOCKERS TO BEAT COVER ZERO IN THE NFL.

 

You make quick passes to the hot read or go over the top. It’s NFL 101. Guess who misses on the deep ball or fails to get the ball out to the hot read almost every time?

 

When the defense shows something to confuse him, he's rattled. Give him another year and that likely will improve.  And also get him more help so the D can't just worry about three players.

[zow2]

We’re 10-5 and in the playoffs.  No need to make wholesale changes here.  I don’t like all the calls either but sometimes the O and QB have to execute when stuff is open. 

[Billsfan1972]

McD & Daboll are thrilled, the Bills scored their expected 17.....  Same thing all year.

 

The first drive set the tone......  Run the ball and get those 3 points......

2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

When the defense shows something to confuse him, he's rattled. Give him another year and that likely will improve.  And also get him more help so the D can't just worry about three players.

How come the Bills D did nothing to confuse Brady......  Again it is Daboll & the fact the opposition knew what was coming.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

McD & Daboll are thrilled, the Bills scored their expected 17.....  Same thing all year.

 

The first drive set the tone......  Run the ball and get those 3 points......

How come the Bills D did nothing to confuse Brady......  Again it is Daboll & the fact the opposition knew what was coming.

 

Are you serious?

 

Because Brady has been doing this for 20 years and isn't going to be confused by anything.  In fact that's probably his biggest strength all of his career.  When you only have two good WR it's pretty easy for the opposition to know what's coming. 

[Phil The Thrill]

1 hour ago, Tesla03 said:

End of discussion. the guy is clueless when it comes to putting together a top offense. 

 

28th in the league in pass offense. ranked bottom 10 in almost every single important category. You saw on that last drive how he is holding back this offense. How come when the game is on the line our offense suddenly becomes alive? Allen was going off script and making plays with his arm and legs. 

 

Daboll has 1 more year to figure his job out or he needs to go. being ranked bottom 5 pass offense as a 10 win playoff team is a joke. 

Daboll’s is go nowhere unless he gets hired as HC.  You should be praying for that because he’ll be back next year.

 

Learn to love it because Daboll will be the OC in 2020

[Jerome007]

After a loss, expect a "fire XYZ" thread. Done.

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Are you serious?

 

Because Brady has been doing this for 20 years and isn't going to be confused by anything.  In fact that's probably his biggest strength all of his career.  When you only have two good WR it's pretty easy for the opposition to know what's coming. 

No the point was that NE's D knew almost every play the Bills were running & Allen was in trouble or a 2 yard run. 

 

Meanwhile NE was prepared for the Bills D......

[White Linen]

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

Its not about play calls its about execution. Dawson Knox was wide open in the corner of the endzone and he put it about a foot too high. The OC can't make up for continuous poor execution.

 

For every one bad throw I can raise you 5 bad play calls.

 

This team has more to offer offensively.  Our defensive minded HC and inept OC design these ultra conservative play calls.

 

It's not sustainable.  it's not that the offense can't do what the head coach and coordinator so badly want to. They play scared just like the plan.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Who would have known that an OC who’s been bad every chance he’s had in the NFL would be a bad OC for us? 
 

McD is 0-2 on OC choices. I doubt he gets fired though because continuity or something ridiculous.

Yes Sean has struggled finding the right OC. Daboll will single handedly kill Josh with so many stupid calls. This has been going on all year. And I've been lobbying all year for his release.  Whatever he learned from Belichick doesn't carry over to the Bills. It's time to go in a different direction. Draft Jonathan Taylor in the 1st. Michael Pittman in the 2nd and keep upgrading the oline. We can't keep functioning with only 2 wrs?

[BringBackOrton]

26 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

For every one bad throw I can raise you 5 bad play calls.

 

This team has more to offer offensively.  Our defensive minded HC and inept OC design these ultra conservative play calls.

 

It's not sustainable.  it's not that the offense can't do what the head coach and coordinator so badly want to. They play scared just like the plan.

I don’t believe you.

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Its not about play calls its about execution. Dawson Knox was wide open in the corner of the endzone and he put it about a foot too high. The OC can't make up for continuous poor execution.

I’ll middle this discussion.  Allen HAS to hit Knox there.  But we also have to throw the ball more on first down to win games like this one.  Normally I think the daboll criticisms are very unfair, but I didn’t like our approach today.  
 

Also, for what it’s worth, I though we were way too conservative on D and overall didn’t play so well tonight. by contrast, NE was basically perfect.  And they had to be to beat us. I have a LOT of hope for the playoffs and for the future. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by SectionC3

[dubs]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Who would have known that an OC who’s been bad every chance he’s had in the NFL would be a bad OC for us? 
 

McD is 0-2 on OC choices. I doubt he gets fired though because continuity or something ridiculous.

hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

 

you think McDermott should be fired!?  I have second hand embarrassment for you. 

[Bangarang]

29 minutes ago, dubs said:

hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

 

you think McDermott should be fired!?  I have second hand embarrassment for you. 

Uhhhh....no, I was referring to Daboll.