Allen slammed on ESPN

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

My favorite line from one of the other idiots: "If Duck Hodges hadn't thrown all those interceptions, he would have had a better day than Allen"  LMFAO...

 

I didn't listen.

 

Sounds like a totally bad football take:

1) The Bills defensive game plan was plainly to wipe out the Pitts rushing game as much as possible

Previous 3 games: 159, 124, 140 yds (no Connor, clearly their best back)

Bills game: 51 freakin' rush yards on 14 attempts (cue "waaa waaa waaaa" noise), 4 fumbles (1 lost)

Mission: accomplished

2) Second game plan goal, to make Hodges uncomfortable and trust their downfield coverage. 

They knew they'd give up some shots, and they were betting they'd get some picks in exchange as the "ducks" flew thickly.  4 INT

Mission: accomplished

 

Duck DID throw all those interceptions, and it wasn't an accident.  Tre' Day been working overtime to up his pick game.  All of them watch Big Film. 

 

I swear sometimes these guys talk as though the goal of a football game is to make their fantasy football league soar by racking up the stats, rather than to win.

Dak Prescott is the perfect QB for them this year.  65% completions, 26 TD 11 INT, 310 ypg, 99.3 passer rating, and a 7-7 record.

 

 

[TH3]

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Start at 6:13. This is some of the most vehement hate for Allen I've seen. Methinks this should find its way to Josh...

 

 

Absolutely ridiculous!

FFS...grow up and get some skin .....who cares.....how many more of these fire alarm threads are gonna get started?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think Allen needs to tune that crap out, watch film, and do footwork drills.

 

He's been under fire since before the draft, it's nothing new.

"First things first I'mma say all the words inside my head I'm fired up and tired of the way that things have been, oh-ooh The way that things have been, oh-ooh
Second thing second Don't you tell me what you think that I can be I'm the one at the sail, I'm the master of my sea, oh-ooh The master of my sea, oh-ooh "

So close, no matter how far, Couldn't be much more from the heart, Forever trust in who we are,And nothing else matters (...)
Trust I seek and I find in you, Every day for us something new, Open mind for a different view, And nothing else matters

 

I have no idea who those clown are and I'm guessing neither does Josh 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

Bomani Jones is absolutely terrible. He KILLED Allen all year in 2018. He can’t go back on it now. 

[nucci]

I've never cared what other people think...not going to start now

[JerseyBills]

I've tried watching this show before, I've never made it past the first commercial. Cringy, just brutal tv. 

[Sig1Hunter]

Sooo...Bills beat Steelers 17 to 10 with Steelers QB chucking 4 picks. This is an obvious sign that the Bills are mediocre and their QB is horrible.

 

The Pats* beat the Bills 16 to 10 with Bills QBs chucking 4 picks. I don’t remember these morons pissing on their wunderkind Brady. 
 

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

This is why I haven’t watched ESPN in like 15 years. All 3 of these guys are utterly painful to listen to. 

 

Allen does have some work to do but it seems like he is progressing. Allen’s accuracy  seems tied to his footwork. When the O-Line gives him time to plant and throw he seems to hit players on target. 

[H2o]

3 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I've tried watching this show before, I've never made it past the first commercial. Cringy, just brutal tv. 

Well, it is call "Highly Questionable". The show is the worst on ESPN taking into account EVERYTHING on their entire network. 

[BigPappy]

37 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

My favorite line from one of the other idiots: "If Duck Hodges hadn't thrown all those interceptions, he would have had a better day than Allen"  LMFAO...

 I was laughing at this comment myself thinking "yeah, and if my Uncle had a *****; he would be my Aunt". It has to be the dumbest comment I have heard on sports talk TV in a long a$$ time.

 

edit: Really? the system uses the * to edit out the medical term for female genitalia? 

Edited December 19, 2019 by BigPappy
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[Charles Romes]

Allen can miss open receivers but the haters never give him credit for creating many open options every play by virtue of his physical gifts, including ability to sense the rush, incredible running ability, and ability to throw a 30 yard dart on the run. 

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I didn't listen.

 

Sounds like a totally bad football take:

1) The Bills defensive game plan was plainly to wipe out the Pitts rushing game as much as possible

Previous 3 games: 159, 124, 140 yds (no Connor, clearly their best back)

Bills game: 51 freakin' rush yards on 14 attempts (cue "waaa waaa waaaa" noise), 4 fumbles (1 lost)

Mission: accomplished

2) Second game plan goal, to make Hodges uncomfortable and trust their downfield coverage. 

They knew they'd give up some shots, and they were betting they'd get some picks in exchange as the "ducks" flew thickly.  4 INT

Mission: accomplished

 

Duck DID throw all those interceptions, and it wasn't an accident.  Tre' Day been working overtime to up his pick game.  All of them watch Big Film. 

 

I swear sometimes these guys talk as though the goal of a football game is to make their fantasy football league soar by racking up the stats, rather than to win.

Dak Prescott is the perfect QB for them this year.  65% completions, 26 TD 11 INT, 310 ypg, 99.3 passer rating, and a 7-7 record.

 

 

 

Amen, brother. Hodges came into that game having success primarily throwing under 10 yards with a strong supporting running game. The Bills shut down the run game and forced them to open up the passing game more. Between the pressure and the coverage, the Bills' play had a lot to do with those interceptions.

[JMF2006]

58 minutes ago, George C said:

Until Allen IS consistently GREAT, which he is not yet, he will be disrespected.. 

It’s all up to Josh to get better.

 

Remember, talking heads are just that. They're opinion come second hand. As fast as they trash, they'll do a 180 next week. 

 

Even Jim Kelly wasn't consistently great and he is in the HOF.

 

The way to greatness is be consistently good

[Matt_In_NH]

Jameis is talented but you can't win with him the way he does not take care of the ball.   

 

Anyway, you guys can get all butt hurt over this but there is some truth in what is being said.  The Bills are at the bottom in passing, completion % is low, Allen could not beat the cover 0 against Baltimore or NE, etc.   They exaggerated for sure and did not give him credit for doing what it takes to win and his 4th quarter play which deserves to be talked about.  Josh has made improvement but needs to continue that upward trend.

[RaoulDuke79]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Josh Allen has yet to quiet critics. He'll get his chance though.

There are some folks who will never change their opinions regardless of what he does simply because they dont want to be wrong. F em.

[Teddy KGB]

58 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

Dan Le Batard.

Enough said. I'm surprised he's actually talking about sports. I used to get in my car and go to lunch, and my SiriusXM would be on ESPN radio, and I would listen to that joke of a show for 30 minutes and not once hear them actually talk about sports.

 

This.    Lebatard puts on a good show but he’s out of touch. 

 

Too rich and too woke and too laissez faire about everything in life. 

[buffalobillswin]

What do you know Le Batard. Ever put your hand in the dirt??

 

get concussed like a real man then come talk to me. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

does anybody really care what they think?

 

 

apparently so, myself, I could care less.

[Billsfan1972]

Either you get the show or you don't.  I love the show, especially when they have females on (Kimes, Spain, Nolan....).

 

They too are not Bills fans (and again why should they be).  Allen has thrown for less then 150 yards/gm the last two weeks and heck they don't break down film or watch a whole lot to make an educated comment.  

 

So Winston 900 yards+ the past two games or Allen 290.....  I understand their pessimism (though it is wrong).

 

BTW it is completely on the coaching & Bills philosophy, which ignores the Offense & prays that they can score 17 points & the defense allows less.  They were absolutely right about Baltimore where they blitzed all game & Daboll couldn't figure out anything 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2019 by Billsfan1972

[Juice_32]

These clowns have likely never watched a full Bills game. Josh has things to work on and he knows it. I'll take our guy all day. Prove them all wrong kid, wont be the first time.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

21 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Sooo...Bills beat Steelers 17 to 10 with Steelers QB chucking 4 picks. This is an obvious sign that the Bills are mediocre and their QB is horrible.

 

The Pats* beat the Bills 16 to 10 with Bills QBs chucking 4 picks. I don’t remember these morons pissing on their wunderkind Brady. 

 

Excellent point  (you beat me to it) 

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

Who's the ahole on the right (the one trying too hard to be funny)?

 

Bomani Jones.   He’s a race 24-7 guy.   Check it out. 

Edited December 19, 2019 by Teddy KGB

[CLTbills]

7 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

This.    Lebatard puts on a good show but he’s out of touch. 

 

Too rich and too woke and too laissez faire about everything in life. 

I don't even think he puts on a good show. They talk more about stuff outside of sports than actual sports, and every time I've ever listened to them, every conversation they have on that show goes back to talking about race. You're definitely right on the "too woke" thing.

[stony]

Met Dan in Buffalo a couple months ago. Couldn’t have been more kind. One of my favorites at ESPN. 

 

As for their takes on Allen. Whatever. Grab a ticket, get in line. Who cares. 

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, CLTbills said:

I don't even think he puts on a good show. They talk more about stuff outside of sports than actual sports, and every time I've ever listened to them, every conversation they have on that show goes back to talking about race. You're definitely right on the "too woke" thing.

 

The radio show is pretty awesome.    More you listen the better it gets.  

[The Wiz]

58 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Right. Anyone who has ever listened to him shouldn't be surprised.

 

My favorite line from one of the other idiots: "If Duck Hodges hadn't thrown all those interceptions, he would have had a better day than Allen"  LMFAO...

 

Well, you know what they say about opinions....

So he's saying if Duck was a better QB than Allen, he would have been a better QB than Allen.  Can't fault that logic ?

[stony]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

The radio show is pretty awesome.    More you listen the better it gets.  

Yeah, I’m obviously in the minority here, but I think it’s good radio. I like the tv show too, when his dads on. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Bomani Jones has a serious anti-Josh hardon.  He's nothing but a bottom feeder, dishing up pabulum for his tiny audience.  Dan The Bastard is a Miami fan.  'nuff said.

Edited December 19, 2019 by Freddie's Dead

[Billsfan1972]

If you don't "get" the show, fine, however if not a Bills fan & you look at the last two weeks & 17 points & 290 yards passing, you too would not think much of Allen.....

[Orlando Tim]

Only watched until they said Jameis is better- at that point they are confusing entertaining for better. Allen is not great yet but he has been above average since week 4. But truly Dan Lebetard does not watch much football and his opinion is about as informed as mine is on soccer.

[Marv's Neighbor]

Didn't see it but don't watch ESPN either.

[Teddy KGB]

Just now, stony said:

Yeah, I’m obviously in the minority here, but I think it’s good radio. I like the tv show too, when his dads on. 

 

Same.   I like him and papi and stugotz and mike Ryan.   Certain topics he’s gonna whine about but that’s him.  

 

Im not too big on Bomani, Spain, Mina etc.  

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Start at 6:13. This is some of the most vehement hate for Allen I've seen. Methinks this should find its way to Josh...

 

 

Absolutely ridiculous!

Three of the biggest #######s on ESPN nobody particularly takes an utter bigot like Bomani Jones seriously 

[Bangarang]

People still watch these awful shows on ESPN? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Only watched until they said Jameis is better- at that point they are confusing entertaining for better. Allen is not great yet but he has been above average since week 4. But truly Dan Lebetard does not watch much football and his opinion is about as informed as mine is on soccer.

 

As I said elsewhere: I think some of these guys confuse the point of a football game to be generating fantasy football stats for them.

[Orlando Tim]

4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

If you don't "get" the show, fine, however if not a Bills fan & you look at the last two weeks & 17 points & 290 yards passing, you too would not think much of Allen.....

How did Jackson do against our D? He will be MVP and he had about 60 total yards at half. Not giving credit to Steeler D is dumb.

[jimmy10]

1 hour ago, eball said:

I really try not to get riled up over shows like this but those takes were so extreme and so uneducated it shocks me. 

Where you been? Extreme and uneducated is Peak America 2019. 

[SoTier]

I think that too many Bills fans are too sensitive about criticism of Allen in the media.  Some of the criticism is justified because Allen doesn't put up great passing stats, and his game still needs considerable work.  OTOH, passing stats have become the be-all and end-all for some in the media as well as among some fans --at least partly and maybe mostly -- due to fantasy football, but passing stats alone don't define great QBs.

 

IMO, Allen is already a competent NFL QB who demonstrates both good leadership and clutch play even though his passing stats aren't very good.  He not only improved significantly from his rookie season, he's continued to improve as both a passer and a QB over the course of this season.  Allen has thrown for 18 TDs and only 9 picks in 2019, and he's run for 9 more.  Allen, in only 2 seasons, had already directed 6 4th quarter comebacks and 8 game winning drive. 

 

Jameis Winston OTOH has never been a competent NFL QB despite a being a great passer.  His poor decision making has regularly cost his team wins.  In his five seasons, Winston has thrown for 118 TDs in 70 games -- and 82 INTs.  He's led 7 4th quarter comebacks and led 11 game winning drives in 5 seasons.  Essentially, Winston is the same QB in Year 5 as he was in Year 2.  Even having QB whisperer Bruce Arians as his HC has only helped Winston improve his QB play very marginally -- he's thrown 30 TDs and 24 INTs in 14 games this season.

 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

If you don't "get" the show, fine, however if not a Bills fan & you look at the last two weeks & 17 points & 290 yards passing, you too would not think much of Allen.....

 

You are absolutely right from the perspective of the average fan. Most of us do not watch every game out there and often, make judgements about performances of players from other teams based off highlights and stats. However, if your JOB is to provided commentary on sports and you decide to comment, on a national platform, about a specific player, perhaps you should do a little more indepth analysis prior to making the comments....

[78thealltimegreat]

5 minutes ago, SoTier said:

I think that too many Bills fans are too sensitive about criticism of Allen in the media.  Some of the criticism is justified because Allen doesn't put up great passing stats, and his game still needs considerable work.  OTOH, passing stats have become the be-all and end-all for some in the media as well as among some fans --at least partly and maybe mostly -- due to fantasy football, but passing stats alone don't define great QBs.

 

IMO, Allen is already a competent NFL QB who demonstrates both good leadership and clutch play even though his passing stats aren't very good.  He not only improved significantly from his rookie season, he's continued to improve as both a passer and a QB over the course of this season.  Allen has thrown for 18 TDs and only 9 picks in 2019, and he's run for 9 more.  Allen, in only 2 seasons, had already directed 6 4th quarter comebacks and 8 game winning drive. 

 

Jameis Winston OTOH has never been a competent NFL QB despite a being a great passer.  His poor decision making has regularly cost his team wins.  In his five seasons, Winston has thrown for 118 TDs in 70 games -- and 82 INTs.  He's led 7 4th quarter comebacks and led 11 game winning drives in 5 seasons.  Essentially, Winston is the same QB in Year 5 as he was in Year 2.  Even having QB whisperer Bruce Arians as his HC has only helped Winston improve his QB play very marginally -- he's thrown 30 TDs and 24 INTs in 14 games this season.

 

 

 

Winston also has another problem he kinda gets in trouble off the field about 60 times