NoSaint Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Right. That would explain why they "forgot" to inform the Bengals. The Bengals would never agree to it. And again the optics of it. If this was truly an innocent blunder (and my God what an innocent blunder), choose two teams who you don't play this year. Not to defend but by nature of following this guy on his job he’s the dude that goes to the next opponents game to scout them, no? like he would be that guy at any time they did it. That’s why I’m surprised the bengals game would be the week they pull that card out of the deck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: Not to defend but by nature of following this guy on his job he’s the dude that goes to the next opponents game to scout them, no? like he would be that guy at any time they did it. That’s why I’m surprised the bengals game would be the week they pull that card out of the deck Like others said if it’s dirty no way it’s the first time it’s happened. And if you are the #1 team in the league with a sketchy past why even risk something like this for a show? And if you risk it why would you not make sure the league and EVERYONE is informed you’re doing this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: Not to defend but by nature of following this guy on his job he’s the dude that goes to the next opponents game to scout them, no? like he would be that guy at any time they did it. That’s why I’m surprised the bengals game would be the week they pull that card out of the deck It makes sense. Coming off a loss to the Texans on prime time where Brady looked finished. Bills breathing down their neck for the division. Knowing they might lose to the Chiefs. Dalton is back which means the Bengals are a bit tougher to play. I doubt this is the only trick they had up their sleeve for filming teams. Again, McDermott escorted Belichick's son off the field just a month or two ago. Many ways to skin a cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 If the NFL is at all concerned about the integrity of the game they have two options IMO: release the video, especially if it is innocent, or suspend BB for the entire next season and anyone else who would be aware. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Like others said if it’s dirty no way it’s the first time it’s happened. And if you are the #1 team in the league with a sketchy past why even risk something like this for a show? And if you risk it why would you not make sure the league and EVERYONE is informed you’re doing this For a show that, let's be honest, nobody is going to watch. "The day in the life of an advanced scout". Not worth the risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Is it just ironic that they ply the Bengals this week? No. Confidently cheating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Not to defend but by nature of following this guy on his job he’s the dude that goes to the next opponents game to scout them, no? like he would be that guy at any time they did it. That’s why I’m surprised the bengals game would be the week they pull that card out of the deck I freely admit I don’t know all the details........So there’s that. ? It seems like this is a regular piece? Did they just pull this card out of the deck, or are they playing it every week? Has this been a “cover story” all year? I would not put it past them if they thought they could get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 4 hours ago, x-BillzeBubba said: 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Augie said: I freely admit I don’t know all the details........So there’s that. ? It seems like this is a regular piece? Did they just pull this card out of the deck, or are they playing it every week? Has this been a “cover story” all year? I would not put it past them if they thought they could get away with it. I mean if they were spying on the Bengals I'd say there's a good shot they also spied on teams they were actually worried about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, Augie said: I freely admit I don’t know all the details........So there’s that. ? It seems like this is a regular piece? Did they just pull this card out of the deck, or are they playing it every week? Has this been a “cover story” all year? I would not put it past them if they thought they could get away with it. it’s entirely possible we learn more. This far it’s not portrayed that way, but could easily come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: I mean if they were spying on the Bengals I'd say there's a good shot they also spied on teams they were actually worried about. With a “regular piece” would be a nice plan. I don’t know if that’s the case, I’m just trying to understand what this is all about......but it would be awesome if this turns out to be true, proven and real retribution comes into play. THAT would be some serious stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, syhuang said: Pretty nice to just be able to dust these off and change the date ? 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: It's as if a great many cell phones cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, arcane said: The Bills need to get good fast so we can move on from embarrassing stuff like this and focus on our team being good Bills fans should move on from paying attention to a divisional foe who has been repeatedly caught cheating? With fans like this... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said: Bills fans should move on from paying attention to a divisional foe who has been repeatedly caught cheating? With fans like this... That post was lunacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, arcane said: That post was lunacy Then why did you post it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Then why did you post it? My bad, I thought the one you quoted was my response to that guy who went off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: I like the forced sale of the team idea with the addition of moving them out of the New England area, like to LA, Or St. Louis Missouri, Or Budapest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I’ll take Tyler Boyd for the last minute upset win again.......Dalton+Boyd can lead the charge at our home playoff game!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Kiva said: Is it just ironic that they ply the Bengals this week? No. Confidently cheating. It's literally the advance scout's job to be there watching the team they play the following week. This "lolz they play the Bengals this week so obviously they are cheating" stuff is so stupid. I'm not saying they weren't using that "Do Your Job" show thing as a cover/plausible deniability to cheat, hell I'd say it's likely they were, but the fact they play the team the following week MEANS LITERALLY NOTHING because they will have that scout doing that EVERY WEEK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 They unintentionally did illegal things....okay.? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 The Bengals better have made a copy of the tape before sending it to the league. I didn't read the whole thread or much about this, so apologize if this has been covered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 League will come down with something fast. And they WILL be out for blood with repeat offenders. so damn beautiful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Even if unintentional with a great cover story, if there is any filming of the field or sidelines it is another break of league rules. Factor in that they didn't inform the league or Bengals they would be taping, and it is a serious repeat offense, no matter what the cover story is EVEN IF the cover story is true.. This could be very serious, like million dollar fines and suspensions. Then, once Krafts criminal case proceeds that could be additional censure. I'm microwaving some popcorn. This could be fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInCt74 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart everyone please read this it explains everything the pats do to cheat. Ex players coming out and ratting on them . You need to know who ernie adams is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 hours ago, NoSaint said: it’s still a bit odd to me they’d lay tape for 7 other segments just to set up the bengals for this. That’s high level commitment for low level gains. why not run this scam for a bigger game, no? not so much a defense as a curiousity I think the Pats may have a number of real documentaries and video journaling going on that filters to legit sources, just like criminals run legitimate businesses that help hide and justify illicit activities. I dont know this to be true, but it possible, and would be the clever way to do it. Perhaps, one man on the team may ne the guy doing the spying, while the other two are doing actual stories for the website. They fo lots of places where media badges take them and who knows what they see and hear. Even if we give benefit of the doubt, and pretend the filming was unintentional or inadvertent, if they filmed the sideline, it is still a huge violation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInCt74 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Its a long read but worth it . Ive been so pissed since i read it . I live amongst these cheater fans and deal with alot of bull#### supporting the bills. I wish someone would tweet this article out To the major nfl fans chats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 9 hours ago, MAJBobby said: On the Sidelines. again NOTHING in the rule book about from the Pressbox where the advance Scouts are allowed to sit two weeks before the game. that is how the rule reads. You cannot video from certain areas. Nothing in the rules about the advance scouts from the press box. that was the SpyGate problem they were videoing from the sideline with a high powered mic and piping it into the offensive booth Weren't they also caught taping the Rams walk-throughs prior to the SB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: They’ve been working on this documentary for like 12 years now! When it’s finally released should be a real doozy Like The Office, only slightly less lovable and funny and cathartic (unless of course their very real and paradoxical blend of hubris and existential panic does in fact lead to a third documented case of misconduct). Dunder Mifflin had a lesser known Foxboro branch, apparently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: How is it possible teams are still using hand signals?? You always have back-up for when the Pats pipe the local radio station into your headsets 9 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Lol they had permission from the Browns have the videographer up there.. The HOME team knew he was there and somehow this fell threw the cracks of communication.. the fact they turned over the video so quickly pretty much makes the story dead.. And how do we know they turned over everything they had. It was reported in spygate investigation they were coached on what to say if caught. You dont think they would be coached to turn over fake footage?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 4 hours ago, NoSaint said: it’s still a bit odd to me they’d lay tape for 7 other segments just to set up the bengals for this. That’s high level commitment for low level gains. why not run this scam for a bigger game, no? not so much a defense as a curiousity You really think the Bengals are the only team they've done this to this year? They just got caught at this game. I wouldnt put it past them to come up with this elaborate "do your job" bs series as their cover-up. 4 hours ago, NoSaint said: https://www.patriots.com/video/do-your-job-equipment-staff how many in the series really give the opportunity though? We also dont know how many takes they've done to get the "perfect shot" for the scout show. They could of used this all season under the guise of the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 NFL needs to release tape and suspend Belichick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Still at the cheating once a cheat always a cheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 You would think the other owners, especially afc owners, are in an "enough is enough" spot if this is cheating. I have a pretty strong suspicion these clowns have been doing this all year and longer Teams in the nfl dont go on 21 game home win streaks and have this sort of unchallenged success. The Patriots arent that good. It makes no sense unless you consider that either bill belichick is some sort of sorceror, or he cheats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 It would seem to me the NFL could check if NE got press credentials for videographers at other games involving future oponnents. The actual film and other oponnents inquiry should seal the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropyrules Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I was discussing with my spousal unit and she quipped its ironic they are called the "Patriots." I am more concerned that this behavior is more a reflection of our current societal thinking where the end justifies the means..lies don't matter as long as they help you get to the result you want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I understand it’s difficult to regulate everyone who’s around a stadium in gameday, but’s it’s absurd the league can’t put better measures in place to prevent this. There was some interesting stuff in that article. Stuff like stealing play sheets out of the opposing locker room doesn’t seem like something that should be able to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, BillsFanInCt74 said: https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart everyone please read this it explains everything the pats do to cheat. Ex players coming out and ratting on them . You need to know who ernie adams is. Disturbing article detailing how long BB has been cheating and to what lengths they have gone. Goes back to his Browns days. Where there is smoke, there is fire. About time the NFL actually does something that neuters the patsies. It disgusts me that they have cheated their way to many wins and Super Bowl titles, hopefully it goes the way of Bonds/McGuire/Sosa. Everyone knows what they did to cheat and treated justly. I do believe the league has backed off for years because the patsies help sell the NFL, it's all about revenue. They need a team like them - a HOF low round draft pick QB, "no-name" players coming up big, years of "excellence". Thing is, most of their big wins are because of cheating. One that sticks with me after reading the article is the Rams Super Bowl. They absolutely beat the Rams based on having taped them - knowing Faulk would be returning kickoffs, new Rams offensive plays they should have no business deciphering yet they were ready for. What the league needs before they actually would do something is a team or teams that can carry the league. Right now the new league darlings are the Niners and Ravens. Niners don't have the feel of a great team, but the Ravens do. The ascension of the Ravens may just spell the end of the patsies getting the calls and league backdoor help to continue to win. All that being said, the NFL needs to lay the hammer on them. At first they tried to say they were not taping anything important, quickly it's come out they were taping the sidelines of the Bengals. BB has come out with a statement that "to the best of his knowledge" nothing wrong happened...you don't say "to the best of my knowledge" unless you're guilty and want to play the plausible deniability card. It would be very interesting to see where this "do your job" video team has been. Be interesting if they just happen to be at their next opponents games. Enough is enough. Edited December 10, 2019 by davefan66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Patriots admit video crew violated NFL rules The New England Patriots admitted a video crew violated NFL rules, though the Super Bowl … The New England Patriots admitted a video crew violated NFL rules, though the Super Bowl champions maintained it was not on purpose. On Monday, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick strongly denied the team's football operations were involved in alleged filming of the Cincinnati Bengals last week ahead of Sunday's upcoming clash. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/even-with-patriots-admission-to-inappropriately-filming-bengals-game-nfl-needs-to-release-tape-045600579.html Even with Patriots' admission to 'inappropriately' filming Bengals game, NFL needs to release tape Oh CNN New England Patriots admit to 'inappropriately' filming after accused of recording Cincinnati Bengals sideline The Film Documentary - DO YOUR JOB - cheat when you can ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported that a scout was credentialed by the Browns for the game played in Cleveland to be filmed on site for a Patriots production titled “Do Your Job.” The NFL confiscated the video after the Bengals employee witnessed and flagged the camerawork to the league, according to the report. A Patriots source then told Russini that it was a “very big misunderstanding and lack of communication with the Bengals.” So the Browns agreed but the Bengals were not notified.. Yeah right, a lack of communication Edited December 10, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 So if it was all on the up and up, and these guys were filming for a production they are making, why would they ask if they could just destroy the video? If it's all legit, you kindly give them the film and stand by your work. You're just gonna throw it away instead? Complete BS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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