Turning point in the game

[Big Blitz]

Dallas going for it on their own 19.  

 

Maybe it would have played out like it did anyway but I'm not so sure.  Dallas is up 7-0 with the first quarter winding down.  They have about 130 yards of offense already.  3rd and 8 at their own 12.  They get 7 yards and the quarter comes to an end. 

 

Its 4th and 1 -- at their 19.  They go for it and get it.  After this play Dallas got another 1st down but then punted. 

 

We got the ball and marched 85 yards right down the field and there was no looking back.

 

I haven't seen anyone ask McD about that decision to go for it by Dallas.  I do think this was a turning point for us.  Sure the analytics crowd probably loved the call by Garrett, who on the previous drive punted on 4th and 6 at our own 43---I guess the math was telling him something else there?

 

So yea....you probably(?) should get the yard and make a statement.  But you went for it at your own 19.  You can't measure what impact that decision may have had on the other sides manhood and how it could flip a switch....wake them up.  I think this happened tonight. Curious to hear if anyone talks about that this week.  

 

Again, maybe it plays out like it did idk...but I do know after that series we were a totally different team.  A lesser group of men may have rolled over after that, deflated, possibly thinking they're about to get run out of the building.  Bills fans have seen that movie especially in primetime several times over the last 2 decades.  

 

Speaks to our team and character in so many ways that the exact opposite happened and it was us running them out of their building.  We got smacked in the mouth by the big boys for 15 minutes and in response we did not fold.  Instead we stood up and smacked them right back for the next 45 minutes.  

[Process]

They got the first down bud..

[GunnerBill]

I think the turning point was Ed's strip sack. We had already had one short field from Star's pick and not made it count. The very next time Dallas get the ball there we are again - turnover. That time we turned it into the lead. A lead we never relinquished. 

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, Process said:

They got the first down bud..

 

 

Yes.  I said that.  Then I said they got one more.  

 

The defense then goes to the sideline and I'm sure you can imagine the anger and the "that's it man.....they don't respect us at all" rallying cries.  

Edited November 29, 2019 by Big Blitz

[Royale with Cheese]

I think the turning point was Oliver’s strip sack.  Dallas sort of had the momentum after Stars INT with us going backwards on offense and then the missed FG.

 

Oliver put some stank on Frederick and gave  us the ball back...then scored a TD.

 

I think I remember this right.  I had a special cookie and a few Weihenstephaner beers.  I couldn’t figure how to untie my shoe so I did the the big toe in the heel and kick it off.  My show went flying and knocked over one of the empty beer bottles shattering it.  It’s going to suck in the morning having to clean it up.

[Process]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Yes.  I said that.  Then I said they got one more.  

 

The defense then goes to the sideline and I'm sure you can imagine the anger and the "that's it man.....they don't respect us at all" rallying cries.  

You realize it's a huge stretch to try and make the case that the other team converting a fourth down was the turning point for us?

 

I get what your saying, I'm mostly just messing with you. 

[John from Riverside]

I know what SHOULD have been the turning point of the game

 

We were on their throat.....and Hyde comes up with ANOTHER turnover only to have it negated by a complete hands to the face bs call

 

Had that Hyde int stood..I think we put the game away right then and there

[Big Blitz]

7 minutes ago, Process said:

You realize it's a huge stretch to try and make the case that the other team converting a fourth down was the turning point for us?

 

I get what your saying, I'm mostly just messing with you. 

 

 

No I know I get it.  

 

I'm trying to say how significant this team turning the tide after that series was.  I was pretty fired up in my living after we did force the punt.  I said at the time watch this team is going to rally around that call.  

 

100 percent sure they got just a tad bit extra motivation having Dallas go for it like that.  That's disrespect more than it is believing in your guys.  

 

Your own 19.  Up 7. 

Edited November 29, 2019 by Big Blitz

[Kelly the Dog]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Yes.  I said that.  Then I said they got one more.  

 

The defense then goes to the sideline and I'm sure you can imagine the anger and the "that's it man.....they don't respect us at all" rallying cries.  

The only reason they went for it was because it was fourth and six inches not fourth and one. If it was a full yard they would have punted. I didn't think it was controversial or disrespectful at all. 

[CommonCents]

I felt like it was when Josh fumbled then muscled forward for the 1st. When he unleashed that emotion I knew this was something different. 

 

The cameras showed him on Dak’s first drive, did anyone else get the vibe that he was distancing himself from the game in an attempt to keep his nerve? His face looked relaxed and focused.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2019 by CommonCents

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The only reason they went for it was because it was fourth and six inches not fourth and one. If it was a full yard they would have punted. I didn't think it was controversial or disrespectful at all. 

 

And they have the oline and a big boy at QB. I was a bit surprised they went for it but like you say... it was less than the length of a football they needed. 

[ALLEN1QB]

When I put my hat on backwards, took 1 sock off and moved from the couch to the recliner

( reclined of course ).

[BillsfaninSB]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The only reason they went for it was because it was fourth and six inches not fourth and one. If it was a full yard they would have punted. I didn't think it was controversial or disrespectful at all. 

 
I agree.  I fully expected them to go for it.   They we’re moving the ball.   The call made sense.  In fact, they moved the ball the entire game but except the first and last drive they could not finish it off.  

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, CommonCents said:

I felt like it was when Josh fumbled then muscled forward for the 1st. When he unleashed that emotion I knew this was something different. 

 

 

 

 

Yes absolutely no doubt about that.  

 

Wonder if he knew too yea you ain't disrespecting us like that this is a new team under new management and leadership.  Starting with him.  

[Buffalo716]

44 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think the turning point was Oliver’s strip sack.  Dallas sort of had the momentum after Stars INT with us going backwards on offense and then the missed FG.

 

Oliver put some stank on Frederick and gave  us the ball back...then scored a TD.

 

I think I remember this right.  I had a special cookie and a few Weihenstephaner beers.  I couldn’t figure how to untie my shoe so I did the the big toe in the heel and kick it off.  My show went flying and knocked over one of the empty beer bottles shattering it.  It’s going to suck in the morning having to clean it up.

I had 2 special cookies ?

[mannc]

I seem to recall that the Cowboys converted on that play.  So how was is a turning point for us?

 

some people really hate analytics 

[Jerboski]

I think the turning point was selecting josh allen and him walking into dallas stadium 

[ganesh]

53 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think the turning point was Ed's strip sack. We had already had one short field from Star's pick and not made it count. The very next time Dallas get the ball there we are again - turnover. That time we turned it into the lead. A lead we never relinquished. 

Good teams make turnovers count...This is how we have lost games in the past....This time, we made it count.   

 

One of Marv's famous quotes in the comeback game was:  It was not good enough to get the turnover, but it more important to know what to do next !!!

[Utah John]

What that play by Dallas, going for it on fourth and one at their own 19, showed me, was that Dallas was worried about us.  If they think their defense can handle us, they play it the normal way, punt away, and expect to stop us.  

 

I agree with the people saying the turning point was the Oliver strip-sack.  That guy seems to have figured things out.

[Apocalypse Nuts]

4 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The only reason they went for it was because it was fourth and six inches not fourth and one. If it was a full yard they would have punted. I didn't think it was controversial or disrespectful at all. 

 

For the rest of the season, 4th and inches anywhere on the field and Garrett will probably have to go for it out of pure fear of being fired on the spot right there.  Do I recall correctly that the punting unit was already coming onto the field and the offense was going off?  Like he felt Jerry's laser eyes burning on his backside and said "Ouch, hot hot! Dak get back out there"

 

Tough choice between Star's pick and Ed's strip sack, IMO.  The pickle was like the tossing a bunch more kindling and big log on a low fire and the strip sack was when it all lit up and went WOOSH!  At both those moments it's a good thing I have a one-level house on a nice slab.  My 250 pounds was jumping up and down so hard I'd have busted clear through to the basement if was a just a wood floor.  I had the house all to myself for the first half with no wife or kids to scare so I held NOTHING back.  Man, that was a fun game! 

 

Last night, it didn't matter what your religious or political views, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, zip code, hairstyle, shoe color preference, or whatever was.  Us Bills fans were all completely united, swelled up with massive pride that we've grown accustomed to living without for a few decades now.  An extremely proud moment made even sweeter that it was a butt-head team like the Cowboys we were whoopin' up on in front of the whole country.  World, meet the new Buffalo Bills!  Get used to seeing this.  We plan to be here for quite awhile.

 

(Not that any of are differences really matter to us all anyway. Bills fans are built different too.)

Edited November 29, 2019 by Distorted One

[bmur66]

4 hours ago, CommonCents said:

I felt like it was when Josh fumbled then muscled forward for the 1st. When he unleashed that emotion I knew this was something different. 

 

The cameras showed him on Dak’s first drive, did anyone else get the vibe that he was distancing himself from the game in an attempt to keep his nerve? His face looked relaxed and focused.

 

 

When Josh got that first down I knew we weren’t in Kansas anymore. Freakin awesome!

[Matt_In_NH]

Here is the thing you go for it there and you are likely to get it, no question.  But  what is the payoff?   You are no where near fg range.  All they did is delay before punting.   If buffalo got the stop it could have been a turning point and huge momentum swing.   I don’t think it was the right decision.  
 

the turning point was the fourth and one imo

Edited November 29, 2019 by mattynh

[Apocalypse Nuts]

6 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

When Josh got that first down I knew we weren’t in Kansas anymore. Freakin awesome!

That's a really great way of putting it, brother.  Nicely said.

[Doc Brown]

That decision by Garrett was a direct result of the criticism of kicking the field goal instead of trying to tie it against New England.  I agree with most that the turning point was Allen's fumbling 4th down disaster turned masterpiece. 

5 hours ago, CommonCents said:

I felt like it was when Josh fumbled then muscled forward for the 1st. When he unleashed that emotion I knew this was something different. 

 

The cameras showed him on Dak’s first drive, did anyone else get the vibe that he was distancing himself from the game in an attempt to keep his nerve? His face looked relaxed and focused.

He was sizing up whether he could throw the football out of Jerryworld through the roof.

[Seasons1992]

5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think I remember this right.  I had a special cookie and a few Weihenstephaner beers.  I couldn’t figure how to untie my shoe so I did the the big toe in the heel and kick it off.  My show went flying and knocked over one of the empty beer bottles shattering it.  It’s going to suck in the morning having to clean it up.

 

Will you be starting a follow-up thread about how to put your shoes on, like the "How do you put your pants on" one? Waiting...........

[Apocalypse Nuts]

So nice to be having this discussion.  So many big plays that were game-changers in their own right.  On a national stage to boot.  So nice!

[Captain_Quint]

6 hours ago, CommonCents said:

I felt like it was when Josh fumbled then muscled forward for the 1st. When he unleashed that emotion I knew this was something different. 

 

The cameras showed him on Dak’s first drive, did anyone else get the vibe that he was distancing himself from the game in an attempt to keep his nerve? His face looked relaxed and focused.

 

 

I think this team and Josh in particular have done a great job of withstanding the initial push when playing on the road. The first drive is scripted and played with alot of adrenaline. The bullets start flying after that, IMO, and Josh and our defense has a nack for keeping his cool and settling in.

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

6 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think the turning point was Oliver’s strip sack.  Dallas sort of had the momentum after Stars INT with us going backwards on offense and then the missed FG.

 

Oliver put some stank on Frederick and gave  us the ball back...then scored a TD.

 

I think I remember this right.  I had a special cookie and a few Weihenstephaner beers.  I couldn’t figure how to untie my shoe so I did the the big toe in the heel and kick it off.  My show went flying and knocked over one of the empty beer bottles shattering it.  It’s going to suck in the morning having to clean it up.

This! As mentioned above, Dallas still had some momentum after we wasted the Star INT and our kicking woes. 

 

Absolutely game-changing play by our #1 pick which gave us the momentum and confidence for the rest of the game. Dallas never recovered...suddenly their O-line didn't seem so impossible to beat and our defense played lights out after that. 

 

Had to remind myself this wasn't all a dream this morning...go Bills!

 

[grog]

Josh Allen recovering his fumble on 4 and 1 to somehow make a first down was the play of the game.   It was an incredible play, but the motivational value to the rest of the team screamed --- they can't stop us if we play our game.

Edited November 29, 2019 by grog

[Your Brown Eye]

6 hours ago, CommonCents said:

I felt like it was when Josh fumbled then muscled forward for the 1st. When he unleashed that emotion I knew this was something different. 

 

The cameras showed him on Dak’s first drive, did anyone else get the vibe that he was distancing himself from the game in an attempt to keep his nerve? His face looked relaxed and focused.

 

 

 

That was mine too, I think that is when the 'Boys all collectively knew they were in for a dogfight they weren't prepared for

[SydneyBillsFan]

I was nervous when we were 3rd and long, Josh drops back into the end zone and hits Beasley for a critical first down.

 

Shudder to think what happens if he misses or Beas drops. Massive play for mine.

[thebandit27]

6 hours ago, CommonCents said:

I felt like it was when Josh fumbled then muscled forward for the 1st. When he unleashed that emotion I knew this was something different. 

 

The cameras showed him on Dak’s first drive, did anyone else get the vibe that he was distancing himself from the game in an attempt to keep his nerve? His face looked relaxed and focused.

 

 

 

This.

 

That 4th down super-conversion by Allen was undoubtedly the turning point 

[2003Contenders]

I don't know that I would necessarily call it the turning point of the game, but I get the importance of it:

 

It showed just how desperate Garrett and the Cowboys were to win this game: a reminder of what happened when the Bills faced other talented teams with their backs to the wall (namely the Eagles and Browns)  The Bills did not falter after allowing the 4th down conversion. Instead, the forced a punt afterwards and went on to score 26 unanswered points.

[bigK14094]

7 hours ago, CommonCents said:

I felt like it was when Josh fumbled then muscled forward for the 1st. When he unleashed that emotion I knew this was something different. 

 

The cameras showed him on Dak’s first drive, did anyone else get the vibe that he was distancing himself from the game in an attempt to keep his nerve? His face looked relaxed and focused.

 

 

Yes, I noticed that look on the sideline.   Getting his head right imho.  Good for him, THAT is how its done folks!!

[CardinalScotts]

For me it wasn't after the drive that put them up 13-7 i felt like they had it figured out on defense- unless Dallas scored on defense or special teams pretty confident at that point. I'm not "give us respect" guy, I like flying under the radar. I enjoy the season I see every snap either there road or home or on television I don't need a bunch of guys who don't watch them offering misguided guesses about the Buffalo Bills. The object is collect as many wins as you can while building a team that can compete year in and year out. The national media is about ratings and clicks NFL.com top story is how Michael Bennett gave an emotional speech AFTER the Bills game. What?  that's the top story ?   Because it's Dallas its the huge population base its america's team its clicks its ratings we should know this. Buffalo has a large emotional fan base, writers-bloggers include them in misinformed articles here and there because they know not only will Bills fans read it but will also react to it. 

 

Great win, building something big, enjoying the process, love the togetherness I know this I watch this I live this  I dont need ESPN or Colin Cowherd trying to pretend they know what's up. Or WGR telling me culture doesn't matter from 3 (Howie Jeremy Schopp) guys (I dont Bulldog is on board) who haven't been on anything resembling a sports team including darts. 

Edited November 29, 2019 by CardinalScotts

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

My vote was for Haush’s doinked-in FG. Put us up 16-7. 
 

If that doesn’t go in, it’s a totally different game. It also would have sucked the wind out of the team.

[Lurker]

7 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Dallas going for it on their own 19.  

 

You might be on to something.   I was thinking "that's a lot of disrespect for the Bills" right there.   I'm sure fiery guys like Hughes and Lawson felt the same way and it woke up that D...

[Plano]

Turning point was our 4th and 1 with the botched snap and Allen recovers it and manhandles DEM BOYZ and got the first down.

 

• Next Play the ol switcheroo turnaround John Brown to Singletary TD pass.

[Jerome007]

4th and inches when you have one of the best Oline in football just makes sense to go for it. It would have been a turning point if the Bills had stopped it.

 

To me, the super early first down pass on 3rd down with Josh standing in his own endzone was key. It looked like an early rout by the Cowboys. Instead it turned into a game thanks to that play and the great punt by Bojorquez.

 

After that, the Josh 4th and one muscled 1st down, the strip sack by Oliver, etc. are major. Of course, the super bogus call that negated the Hyde INT saved the Cowboys from a rout too! They got a constant slow death instead

 

 

 

 

[KellyToTasker]

Who felt the Bills were going to win after seeing Jim and Jill’s pregame message? I felt like it was their day from that point. Clearly from a fan only perspective, but it felt like our day after seeing Jim.