Lurker Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: McDouche = psycho Your handle was well chosen.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ga boy said: Yes, I agree that we're all complicated. I can see certain leaders acting this way without mentioning recent leadership at OBD. However, I expect better from this guy based on the perception that he gives about his faith and beliefs. I prefer the leadership frameworks of John Maxwell and Stephen Covey that emphasize a higher standard based on how we treat people. I hope intimidation is not a usual strategy for our coach in any part of his job or life. It is easy for many leaders at the top, due to pressures and ego, to lose sight that the janitor is just as important as they are. Go Bills!! I agree, on face value I would expect better. But, for several reasons (some intrinsic to the piece) I also can't accept the story at face value exactly as told. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Capco said: I never said anything about the story being undoubtedly true. Well you gave me the good ole "see I told you so" for daring to question the vaunted Sullivan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, gomper said: It's sarcasm. C'mon in. Gomper, I don't think sarcasm is a correct descriptor for what that is. It's an analogy, using hyperbole to emphasize the intended point. The problem is the hyperbole is so over the top exaggerated that it actually detracts from the credibility of the actual account. I hear it and I think, "if those guys believe that comparison to actual totalitarian state's secret police force is an apt analogy for treatment of the media by the Pegulas and the Bills FO, that is just so obviously exaggerated that I have to consider any story they tell might be equally subject to exaggeration" Edit: oldmanfan said something less polite, but more concise 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 If your in the media and trying to dig up stories, you better have a thick skin and be able to handle when a coach or player gets ticked off at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123719bwiqrb Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 I bet you that without McD's neuroticism about his team's portrayal, the fire-him-now crowd would be a lot louder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, billybob71 said: If your in the media and trying to dig up stories, you better have a thick skin and be able to handle when a coach or player gets ticked off at you. And from the account in the story, Fairburn himself handled it very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 39 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Am I just supposed to believe that this happened and wasn't reported by anyone? If an NFL head coach was physically confronting and screaming f-bombs at a beat reporter it would be major news. But all the reporters who witnessed it didn't say anything because the Pegulas asked them not to? And Jerry Sullivan goes and reports it on a fan podcast, but nowhere else? Does anyone else think that narrative adds up? I agree. Probably something happened but I think good ole Jerry embellished it a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Anyone comparing a football team’s actions to East Germany and the Stasi is a complete and utter fool. I don't like the implied insults to folks here, but I agree the analogy is entirely inappropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) I generally appreciate Sullivan for coming at stories from other angles. I can read and decide the merit. I’m better off because he wrote and I read. In this case, I’m surprised only that Sullivan expresses surprise at this event. Every NFL head coach is control freak. Every business has emotional interactions in the “are you with us or against us” context at the most senior levels. Did it bleed over into the press, in this particular situation? The press, where everyone’s an independent seeker of great truths and beyond reproach? Yes, Jerry, it did. Did a former wrestler and alpha male in a universe of alpha males swell his chest and lean in? Yes, Jerry, he did. Yawn .... pass the chips. Can’t be his first movie .... Edited November 23, 2019 by Neo 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: Absolutely. IMO it has at least cost us a game against the Pats. Some people don't agree because "the offense sucks," but the blocked punt had a direct result on losing the game. Our offense scored more points than their offense. Arguably played a role in costing us the Brownies game too. Giving them a pass for the 50+ yarder at the end of the game, if Haushka hits the 34 yarder before the half, we go into the half with the lead. Momentum shift when he missed it, and maybe we would come out a bit chippier in the 3Q if he makes it. I preach myself "if one play is different, the whole game is different" but it's hard to overlook it would be a difference in our favor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 If acute attention to detail makes McDermott a "control freak" so be it. He is the captain and until that changes he has the right to be particular and demanding. I think his coaching style is fantastic. He demands accountability and structure. Two vital components to a successful organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Doc said: If you're surprised by this, you'll be surprised to learn that most of the people you see on TV who you think are nice are some of the biggest #######s you'll ever meet. After working 20 years in entertainment I can verify this. ?. Additionally, the ones that aren’t ego bound but unapologetically exceptionally good people surprise you.... Rarely who you think it will be. ?♂️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Was bored so I listened to it. So Fairburn revealed that the Bills put the Giants' HC's comments about Josh around the facility as motivation and McD got pissed at him for it? ...And? If there was a Bills gameplan that was open, would Fairburn post it online because "hes' a reporter"? Some things you keep in-house, otherwise you'll be out-house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said: This is the Bills place of work... the media has the PRIVILEGE of being able to observe. You don’t see reporters walking around an office complex and sitting in on shareholders meetings reporting on a Fortune 500 companies upcoming plans, financials, hires/fires. I was with you until this part. It’s just not true, and the Fortune 500 analogy is weak. The Bills, like all NFL teams, are in the entertainment business. Reporters are allowed in the locker room and coaches give press conferences because fans want information about the team and providing them that information is part of the teams’ and the league’s mission: to increase fan interest in the team and the sport in general, which increases ratings, which increases revenue, etc. It’s not complicated. So no, it’s not really a privilege for a reporter to have access to the locker room; it’s part of a symbiotic relationship—a quid pro quo, if you will—between teams and the media and the team’s fans. And of course, most Fortune 500 companies aren’t in the entertainment business and wouldn’t benefit in any way by providing reporters broad access to their boardrooms and headquarters, so they don’t do it. Terrible analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: Good, sounds like Coach will not tolerate the press leaking his plans on any level, and for the team that is a very good thing. Think about it, how the hell else is this organization in real life going to turn around the culture of losing to a culture of winning? The first thing you do is control the message 100%, then and only then can the narrative be changed, along with attitudes. When that is under control, you change out players, management, and coaches that won’t buy in. Then the team rebuild can actually start to happen, then you maintain and iron grip on the narrative there after. SM is doing it right. Don’t care if coach jerks a knot in some sports reporters asz, so be it. I want the Bills organization to be a winner. Jmo. Go Bills!!! Sullivan praises Belichick for the same behavior in keeping things under tight control. Sullivan isn't happy unless he pulls at the silver lining of every cloud. If you were drowning, he'd throw you an anchor. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Finally, we have a control freak coach. Took them long enough.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterLifer Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Neo said: I generally appreciate Sullivan for coming at stories from other angles. I can read and decide the merit. I’m better off because he wrote and I read. In this case, I’m surprised only that Sullivan expresses surprise at this event. Every NFL head coach is control freak. Every business has emotional interactions in the “are you with us or against us” context at the most senior levels. Did it bleed over into the press, in this particular situation? The press, where everyone’s an independent seeker of great truths and beyond reproach? Yes, Jerry, it did. Did a former wrestler and alpha male in a universe of alpha males swell his chest and lean in? Yes, Jerry, he did. Yawn .... pass the chips. Can’t be his first movie .... And there you have it. My take-away is the snide, whiny way Sullivan presents himself. My Bills fandom aside, this is a guy I would never choose to have a beer with or in this case, listen to. Edited November 23, 2019 by RochesterLifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToTasker Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't like the implied insults to folks here, but I agree the analogy is entirely inappropriate. Here’s an East Germany tie-in. Fairburn is the author. https://theathletic.com/1398440/2019/11/21/pure-gold-a-meeting-of-the-minds-between-the-bills-trent-murphy-and-his-idol-wolfgang-schmidt/?amp#click=https://t.co/5se9BH6Fng Edited November 23, 2019 by KellyToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: You know lastin, can I call you lastin? You know lastin, your post makes me believe that you do not enjoy Bills victories and you relish Bills defeats because they allow you to puff yourself up and pound your chest whilst wheezing "I told you so!" Am I close? I DO NOT, ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT TO SAY THAT! I have witnessed live and in person, over say a 6 year period of Season Ticket holding a Bills team that went from Good- Excellent- Playing in 4 straight Roman Numerals. In their best middle Season of that run, I never believed they would lose ANY game! That’s how great that K-Gun team was! So far ahead of its time. I have been watching the reverse through virtually this entire millennium. Sub standard players, abysmal & conservative HCs, GMs that were waaaay over the hills stiffs, because the owner was familiar only- with a Septuagenarian. ? And oh, could they find ways to lose & did. So, I’m overtly cautious about this puffball Schedule of All Time. And indeed, prior versions couldn’t have even done what this team has already. Does that however, make them, a good team, one where I can name a half dozen this year and there would be virtually 100% agreement? Should they win this week and fall on their sword against the next 4, easily better teams, to finish 9-7, do you think that is ‘progress’? We’ll find out about the QB for sure- which we need to. The bar needs to be higher here, as in... you’re damn right we’re making the Playoffs every year and winning Playoff games. We are certain of neither, yet. Btw, the only thing I have nailed so far is my pre season prediction on EVERY game, with a 10-6 finish. So, I did not expect- this year, the Bills to fall flat. I do have them winning tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 I am sure Sullivan has no agenda......... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, MJS said: Sound like an urban legend that has been retold and retold, each time getting more and more elaborate. I wouldn’t *ever* blame the ST coach for missed kicks (Browns game). The blocking and snap were fine. That’s totally on the kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Don’t buy that story at all that Jerry is spewing. He’s always been a douche, media hasn’t been suppressed, look at what there flagship station did after the Cleveland loss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: I agree. Probably something happened but I think good ole Jerry embellished it a lot. Rex Carr one of his sources? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobesBLO13 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 If he builds a winner he can call my sister the c word for all I care. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 I like McDermott. I think he has a hard job and he does it well. Not perfect but improving in many ways. I think he can get better and improve the team. I could not care less what the media thinks about him. He just needs to be decent and moral and win. Jerry on the other hand, well I do not think his job is nearly as hard, and it’s not even important. Jerry is not important and I do not value his opinion, so I don’t read his stuff or listen to him. My respect for the media is at an all time low. They are entertainment, they are not some special service of educated insiders looking out for our interests. No matter if it’s sports, world news, politics, even some local news, its pretty much a business - with sponsors - all bought and paid for. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Sure, McDermott recently acted like a giant douche bag to a youngish reporter, getting in his face in an attempt at physical intimidation, dropping F bombs like nuts on him, and asking him "Are you on the team or not?!" This was at a press conference. Presumably because McDouche didn't like a question or two, and apparently actually thinks the media is supposed to bolster the team as though it is part of the Bills P/R department. Not many people heard about this because Pegula controls the media in WNY now either directly or indirectly. Quite an interesting little story. McDouche = psycho Combining the coach’s last name and the word douche!!!!!! You my friend are some kind of wizard! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 48 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I wouldn’t *ever* blame the ST coach for missed kicks (Browns game). The blocking and snap were fine. That’s totally on the kicker. I understand your POV, but I don't exclude the possibility that there might be something that could be done, that would help the kicker feel more "mentally and physically" up for the game. If you're talking about the blame in the Podcast, it was blaming the ST coach for the blocked punt in the NE game, and I agree that's coaching. The Bills put something down on tape in previous games where they failed to adjust to what the coverage team was doing, and NE saw it and took advantage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Estro said: Nice podcast.....I listened to the whole interview and found it to be very interesting. I remember hearing about the McDermott dust up with Schopp last season, but I never heard the story with Fairburn from this season. For someone (McDermott) who tries to portray himself as such a good/decent person, I've noticed there's a lot of behind the scenes stories about him that paint a different picture. It's strange. Winning will be the ultimate measuring stick for him, but if things ever go south for him I'd expect we'll hear a lot more of these strange incidences people have had with him. Yeah. I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't want a "nice" coach. Not the most flattering portrait of McD, but I'm not bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: Again don’t care about Jerry and I hate it when people try to hype their own podcasts/websites. Get that out of here. I think it should be bannable and an auto lock. Per COC: Do NOT post: Advertisements (We sell ad space to anyone who wants to get their website noticed). To me this is the OP that admits to running/investing in SoundCloud and is just trying to get clicks to his site for a waste of time podcast. Plus it is the second time he has posted the thread. Post what you want to discuss, but he wants the clicks only. If there is something relevant for discussion - it would be different, but Jerry is a lying douche that is anti-Bills - so go away Jerry and take your crap with you. . Calm down RochesterFan. The guy only reposted it because the mods asked him to with the changes. I don't see anything wrong with trying to promote your own podcast, as long as it has relevant topics to this board. Which, it does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: Calm down RochesterFan. The guy only reposted it because the mods asked him to with the changes. I don't see anything wrong with trying to promote your own podcast, as long as it has relevant topics to this board. Which, it does. There's stuff we have to stomp on, like posting a link to the guy's own podcast that appeared to be 100% about the media and 0% football related If it's a regular thing and there's not more participation in the board other than coming in here to post the links to his podcast, I think @SDS will consider it advertising But that's just my opinion. The guy was polite and addressed what I asked him to address, so it flies this time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) I havent heard the audio clip with Jerry Sullivan yet. At first instinct I think to myself that maybe mcdermott is not as honest and accountable for things as he seems to make himself be, 'team first message' for example.. I'm presuming it's about controlling a message that is coming out of OBD. When I think about it though, does a coach have to be a nice person and not be a control freak? Belichek is a 'control freak'. It all matters if you deliver and the team is motivated and delivers. Like another poster says alot of it comes down to winning really. Sullivan is a glass half empty kind of guy who can make fair points but is skeptical by nature. Mcdermott has a winning record as a coach. Doug Marrone was not liked but was a decent coach for the bills, someone made a point about what makes a good coach and it was a point against marrone at the time.. As an offensive coach his offence were poor. Mcdermott as a defensive coach has put great defences on the field consistently since being here. That and the winning are what matters. The 'history of poor decision making' comment from mcdermott a few weeks ago was an example of McDermott/Beane controlling the narrative out of OBD. A very intentional thing to say. Edited November 23, 2019 by london_bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, mannc said: I was with you until this part. It’s just not true, and the Fortune 500 analogy is weak. The Bills, like all NFL teams, are in the entertainment business. Reporters are allowed in the locker room and coaches give press conferences because fans want information about the team and providing them that information is part of the teams’ and the league’s mission: to increase fan interest in the team and the sport in general, which increases ratings, which increases revenue, etc. It’s not complicated. So no, it’s not really a privilege for a reporter to have access to the locker room; it’s part of a symbiotic relationship—a quid pro quo, if you will—between teams and the media and the team’s fans. And of course, most Fortune 500 companies aren’t in the entertainment business and wouldn’t benefit in any way by providing reporters broad access to their boardrooms and headquarters, so they don’t do it. Terrible analogy. Except it is a privilege to have access to the team. Whether it be in the locker room, practice, on the field. It can be revoked at any time... therefore it is indeed a privilege. Let me change my analogy to another entertainment business... are reporters given access to the filming of movies? Behind the scenes? Are they allowed to go out and tell the general public everything that happens in the movie and spoil the details before the movie is released? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: There's stuff we have to stomp on, like posting a link to the guy's own podcast that appeared to be 100% about the media and 0% football related If it's a regular thing and there's not more participation in the board other than coming in here to post the links to his podcast, I think @SDS will consider it advertising But that's just my opinion. The guy was polite and addressed what I asked him to address, so it flies this time. Right. I didn't listen to the first 25 minutes, so I thank you for making him point out the part that is relevant. I found what Jerry Sullivan said to be very interesting, but also laughable. Especially his take on Oliver. It's like, the guy isn't an All-Pro in his first year, so he must be a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 In the cyber age, "professional" media people are becoming irrelevant. The Bills are a young team learning how to win. If McD were to give Sully a wedgey that sent him to the emergency room, I wouldn't care. Just win baby! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Reality Check said: In the cyber age, "professional" media people are becoming irrelevant. The Bills are a young team learning how to win. If McD were to give Sully a wedgey that sent him to the emergency room, I wouldn't care. Just win baby! I believe that would be called "assault" and might result in suspension from the league not to mention criminal charges. Thus, I would care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Nextmanup said: This happened. That is beyond questioning. It happened in a large room filled with people and Sullivan confirmed it with multiple sources, b/c he is, you know, an actual journalist. I felt the same about you and your comment! Believe it or not, you are free to not participate in threads you aren't interested in, or which you have a personal dislike for. See how it works? The thread is fine, a lot of us are just getting tired of your schtick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: What coach isnt a control freak. However its clear to see that he is flexible and listens to everyone involved and makes the necessary changes. Sullivan is a tool and is mike Dopp 's dad. Sullivan is a DULL, broken, out-dated tool 44 minutes ago, london_bills said: Sullivan is a glass half empty kind of guy who can make fair points but is skeptical by nature. Mcdermott has a winning record as a coach. Doug Marrone was not liked but was a decent coach for the bills, someone made a point about what makes a good coach and it was a point against marrone at the time.. As an offensive coach his offence were poor. Mcdermott as a defensive coach has put great defences on the field consistently since being here. That and the winning are what matters. Sullivan is a guy who replaces glass with dribble glass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I've said it before and I'll say it again... Sean McDermott has thin skin. He's a sensitive guy who can be swayed by what people think. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's different for an NFL coach. Hm. I don't know if I see him being that thin skinned/sensitive myself. I think if he was he would make more reactive decisions. He is emotional yes by his own admission I think he said he was. The swayed by what people think thing aswell, I'm not sure. In game you mean? Alot of this perception to me depends on how unemotional one answers questions in a press conference although I'm sure your basing your opinion on more. Edited November 23, 2019 by london_bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 I believe this happened and I don’t really care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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