Steelers Browns: who should get suspended and how long?

[Nelius]

Wow just saw it. Kind of feel like people are taking this way too lightly. Really liked him as a player and person before tonight, but hope to god they throw him out of the ***** league and set an example. Inexcusable. A 270 pound man swinging just about anything at your head could kill you if done right, I think that might have been the most screwed up thing I've ever seen in sports. Mental health, whatever, get him out of the league.

 

38 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Call me old school.  Was it dirty?  Absolutely, but I'm not going for the "he nearly killed him" bs.

 

Please cite your old school examples of players swinging helmets, or any blunt objects, at other players unprotected heads.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Nelius

[Chicken Boo]

31 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Yeh I’m sure you a bad dude and all but here take a moment from your bad self and hear from the actual old school

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Andre_Reed83/status/1195206600669052928?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1195206600669052928&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.espn.com%2F

 

 

 

I'll never get through to most of you, so I'm not going to try.

 

How many games did Evgeni Malkan get for swinging his stick like a samurai sword? 

 

Was the act bad?   Yes, but ffs, let's not get all Helen Lovejoy. 

[Chicken Boo]

25 minutes ago, Nelius said:

Please cite your old school examples of players swinging helmets, or any blunt objects, at other players unprotected heads.

 

Any number of "legal" crack back blocks are worse than what we saw tonight.

 

Jarvis Landry's hit on Aaron Williams, for example.   FAR worse.  Evgeni Malkan's swing of his hockey stick. FAR worse.  Discipline Garrett for the act, but spare me the outrage.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Chicken Boo

[Qearly2018]

4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I'll never get through to most of you, so I'm not going to try.

 

How many games did Evgeni Malkan get for swinging his stick like a samurai sword? 

 

Was the act bad?   Yes, but ffs, let's not get all Helen Lovejoy. 

Marty Mcsorley got over 20 games for whacking Donald Brashear in the head with his stick in the late 90's

[Nelius]

4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Any number of "legal" crack back blocks are worse than what we saw tonight.

 

Jarvis Landry's hit on Aaron Williams, for example.   FAR worse.  Evgeni Malkan's swing of his hockey stick. FAR worse.  Discipline Garrett for the act, but spare me the outrage.

 

No, really none of that is as bad as a 270 pound freak with leverage swinging a helmet at your unprotected head. Sorry dude.

 

And also, this is after they just had a dude thrown off the team last week for threatening fans immediately after the game ended. Seems he was actually in the locker room threatening fans on his phone. And not just sort of threatening, but throwing out cryptic my gang is going to watch you and kill your family type threats. Cleveland is a dumpster fire, who the hell knows what's going on in that locker room but I sure as hell wouldn't try to defend any of it. Horrible, horrible franchise.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Nelius

[JoshAllin]

less than 3 if they think a helmet isnt capable of cracking open a human skull

[Chicken Boo]

22 minutes ago, Qearly2018 said:

Marty Mcsorley got over 20 games for whacking Donald Brashear in the head with his stick in the late 90's

 

An appropriate suspension as Mcsoreley had a history.

 

I'm not saying NOT to suspend Garrett, I'm specifically talking to the fans and their selective outrage.

 

Guy flips a bat in MLB and his next at bat he gets a 90mph fastball toward his head and neck and it's just "a part of the game".  

 

I hate the double standard and I hate when fans overreact.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Chicken Boo

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

An appropriate suspension as Mcsoreley had a history.

 

I'm not saying NOT to suspend Garrett, I'm specifically talking to the fans and their selective outrage.

 

Guy flips a bat in MLB and his next at bat he gets a 90mph fastball toward his head and neck and it's just "a part of the game".  

 

I hate the double standard and I hate when fans overreact.

Do you think because you’re comparing two different sports that makes it a ‘double standard’?

[Nelius]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

An appropriate suspension as Mcsoreley had a history.

 

I'm not saying NOT to suspend Garrett, I'm specifically talking to the fans and their selective outrage.

 

Guy flips a bat in MLB and his next at bat he gets a 90mph fastball toward his head and neck and it's just "a part of the game".  

 

I hate the double standard.

 

Why are you going on about "selective outrage"? This is unprecedented. One of the biggest, strongest dudes in the NFL just full force swung a large object at a much smaller man's unprotected head. Does that object need to be anvil shaped or something for you to take it seriously? This wasn't some hard check that the boys will laugh about later. C'mon, dude. We all just witnessed serious assault and thank god Rudolph wasn't caught in a way that would shut even armchair tough guys up.

[Búfalo Blanco]

3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Landry sounds legit dejected.

 

Excellent...

 

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Am I crazy or was this no worse than the hit Gronk put on Tre White? That was one of the dirtiest hits I've ever seen and no seemed to really care.

 

I think Garrett will be suspended the rest of the season.

 

Not sure I’d go that far, but Gronk deserved more than what he got. I always felt Jarvis Landry deserved far more than what he got for the Aaron Williams cheap shot. But as the OP said, the NFL’s bizarre and inconsistent response to these on-field issues proves their gross incompetence on such matters. 

[Doc Brown]

Rest of the season (six games) and the first four games next year.  Hefty fine as well.  The NFL has no choice.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Doc Brown

[Chicken Boo]

21 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Do you think because you’re comparing two different sports that makes it a ‘double standard’?

 

My intention was to compare 2 dangerous acts, moreso than the sports themselves.

[Doc Brown]

This got a three game suspension without the helmet hitting Incognito (of course).

 

 

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

My intention was to compare 2 dangerous acts, moreso than the sports themselves.

So you think throwing a pitch high and inside is comparable to what Garrett did? 

[BigDingus]

4 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

If i had to bet, its 4 games.

 

I think it should be remainder of the season

 

It will be the rest of the season, for certain. 

 

It'll likely extend into next season. Honestly I think it'll go at least 10 games into next season though it might go the entire year barring appeal. 

 

But the outrage from all over is so strong, the remainder of this year is a certainty. All of next season seems realistic too, but we'll see. 

 

I just don't see any way he's on the field you start the 2020 season. 

10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

This got a three game suspension without the helmet hitting Incognito (of course).

 

 

 

Seifert believes it deserves a record setting punishment -

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28083617/myles-garrett-suspension-steelers-browns-fight-why-deserves-record-punishment-helmet-swing

 

I think it will. None of the other acts people are bringing up will serve as good comparison except Haynesworth, but even this looked more criminal. 

 

11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

This got a three game suspension without the helmet hitting Incognito (of course).

 

 

 

Seifert believes it deserves a record setting punishment -

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28083617/myles-garrett-suspension-steelers-browns-fight-why-deserves-record-punishment-helmet-swing

 

I think it will. None of the other acts people are bringing up will serve as good comparison except Haynesworth, but even this looked more criminal. 

 

[simpleman]

The question isn't how many games the NFL should suspend him. It is how can you beat another person in the head on national television with multiple cameras recording the incident and not be criminally charged with assault with a deadly weapon. The play was over so this was not a legitimate part of a sporting event. It was a blatant criminal act between two individuals with intent. How is he not criminally charged and prosecuted?

[CommonCents]

16 games is my guess. 

[njbuff]

Forget the outcome of this for one second.

 

What the heck was running thru Garrett’s mind to do this in the first place?

 

He literally could have killed someone.

 

He put his team in serious jeopardy by what he did.

 

And he put himself in serious jeopardy in terms of being suspended.

 

Everyone in the Browns organization should be outraged over this.

[Shortchaz]

It looked like Rudolph was none too pleased with being taken to the ground and started grabbing myles’ head/helmet . Myles responded to this by returning the favor and grabbed Rudolph’s head/helmet. While getting up, Myles pulled on Rudolph’s face mask and ripped his helmet off. 

 

At at that point the fight on the ground was over. Decastro then intervenes and starts to walk Myles away from Rudolph. Rudolph decides that this is the perfect time to reengage with Myles and goes after him again. Outnumbered and being moved backwards, garret responds by swinging at the (perceived or real) aggressor(s) with his right hand that still held Rudolph’s helmet, making contact with Rudolph’s head. Then Myles is (rightly) taken to the ground by a group of Steelers while all hell breaks loose. 

 

That’s what I saw in the video clip.

 

the optics of swinging a helmet at a helmet-less-player’s head are bad and Myles will be suspended. 

 

Rudolph looked like a frustrated person trying to take his aggression out on what was reachable. In this case, that just happened to be a someone he couldn’t push around. 

 

Rudolph was at minimum a willing participant, if not the aggressor, at every point of the post-play interaction.  

Edited November 15, 2019 by Shortchaz

[JoPar_v2]

24 minutes ago, simpleman said:

The question isn't how many games the NFL should suspend him. It is how can you beat another person in the head on national television with multiple cameras recording the incident and not be criminally charged with assault with a deadly weapon. The play was over so this was not a legitimate part of a sporting event. It was a blatant criminal act between two individuals with intent. How is he not criminally charged and prosecuted?

According to reports, Cleveland police were seen exiting the locker room after the game, for what it’s worth. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

I just watched it.

Ridiculous. Garrett should be done for this year and conditionally reinstated next year. 
No room for any of that in the game. 
I hope the Browns don’t put his fine up on a TV, some people will then thick the Browns or NFL is the problem. SMH

[Nextmanup]

Just finished watching the incident now.

 

Very entertaining.  One of the better melees I've seen on an NFL field.

 

Garrett: 5 minutes fighting; 10 min. misconduct; Gross misconduct

 

Rudolph: 2 minutes instigator; 5 minutes fighting; 10 min. misconduct; game misconduct

 

Ogunjobi: 2 minutes roughing; 10 minute misconduct

 

Pouncey: 5 minutes fighting; Gross misconduct

 

 

Edited November 15, 2019 by Nextmanup

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Myles Garrett should be banned for life.

 

Having said that, I have a feeling the following will be lost in the discussion: Mason Rudolph did commit the first non-football act of aggression there. Let's not pretend that didn't happen. It in no way justifies what followed, but it nonetheless occurred and should not be ignored just because Rudolph was brutalized. He should be suspended a game.

Please.

 

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Rest of the season (six games) and the first four games next year.  Hefty fine as well.  The NFL has no choice.

That's ridiculous.

 

I'm guessing he gets a couple games.

 

 

[Golden Goat]

The rest of this season and half of next.

[ThurmasThoman]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

An appropriate suspension as Mcsoreley had a history.

 

I'm not saying NOT to suspend Garrett, I'm specifically talking to the fans and their selective outrage.

 

Guy flips a bat in MLB and his next at bat he gets a 90mph fastball toward his head and neck and it's just "a part of the game".  

 

I hate the double standard and I hate when fans overreact.

 

I gotta say: I agree with you.
I've watched that video several times and... I just don't see it. I don't see where the complete and total outrage comes from.

To those saying he could have killed him: I mean, he DID hit him in the head, with the leading edge of the helmet, and Rudolph was 100% fine. I'm not going to try to understand the thoughts going through Garret's mind, or his intentions, but is it possible he took some mustard off his swing so as to NOT injure him. Because a lot of the panic this morning seems to be centered on "imagine if he had hit him in the head and killed him!", and, again, he DID hit him in the head. Intentionally. With the most dangerous angle of the weapon. And Rudolph was very obviously fine.

I'm way, way, way more fascinated with the battle lines being drawn so quickly, and how the internet escalates that process. It's 2019 America at it's finest. It's the most egregious thing EVER that needs a HISTORIC suspension and NO ROOM FOR DEBATE. Every week there's a new headline to get our dopamine receptors activated, a new outrage of historic proportions that we will surely still be talking about tomorrow at lunch (we won't).

Anyways, I'm open to changing my mind on my stance, but after reading through this thread I still don't see a justification for anything more than... a 2 game ban? Maybe, MAYBE 4 because the other player was defenseless, in the sense that they were without their helmet.

 

[Rochesterfan]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

I’d like to see at least an 8 game suspension so they’re penalized next season as well. This is a situation where the league can and probably will send a message.

 

I agree - my thought is make it 8-10 regular season games and take it into next year.  If they make the post season those games do not count toward the suspension.  
 

If he misses the rest of this year and the first 2-4 games next year - then you have a bit of discipline to fall back on.

 

They also need to get the NFLPA to discuss this and actually back the attacked player rather than fight for the scum bag.

[eball]

Gotta be remainder of season (including playoffs).  The league would be crucified for anything less.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I mean, he really could have killed him. 

[Boca BIlls]

Hopefully forever any trouble the Browns can face I will happily watch.

[Beast]

I say 16 games.

[Nextmanup]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

An appropriate suspension as Mcsoreley had a history.

 

I'm not saying NOT to suspend Garrett, I'm specifically talking to the fans and their selective outrage.

 

Guy flips a bat in MLB and his next at bat he gets a 90mph fastball toward his head and neck and it's just "a part of the game".  

 

I hate the double standard and I hate when fans overreact.

You're one of the few posters in this thread making sense.

 

I find the level of "outrage" at this ultimately meaningless incident as really bizarre and kind of humorous.

 

These guys are out here destroying their bodies an turning themselves into brainless zombies all the time, whether you notice it or not.  A little scrap like this is almost harmless in comparison to a 10 year career, just from the brain trauma aspect of it, let alone the abuse to joints, organs, and everything else.

 

 

[CommonCents]

13 minutes ago, JohnnyGold said:

 

I gotta say: I agree with you.
I've watched that video several times and... I just don't see it. I don't see where the complete and total outrage comes from.

To those saying he could have killed him: I mean, he DID hit him in the head, with the leading edge of the helmet, and Rudolph was 100% fine. I'm not going to try to understand the thoughts going through Garret's mind, or his intentions, but is it possible he took some mustard off his swing so as to NOT injure him. Because a lot of the panic this morning seems to be centered on "imagine if he had hit him in the head and killed him!", and, again, he DID hit him in the head. Intentionally. With the most dangerous angle of the weapon. And Rudolph was very obviously fine.

I'm way, way, way more fascinated with the battle lines being drawn so quickly, and how the internet escalates that process. It's 2019 America at it's finest. It's the most egregious thing EVER that needs a HISTORIC suspension and NO ROOM FOR DEBATE. Every week there's a new headline to get our dopamine receptors activated, a new outrage of historic proportions that we will surely still be talking about tomorrow at lunch (we won't).

Anyways, I'm open to changing my mind on my stance, but after reading through this thread I still don't see a justification for anything more than... a 2 game ban? Maybe, MAYBE 4 because the other player was defenseless, in the sense that they were without their helmet.

 

Then we have people like yourself who exaggerate the amount of people that actually get hyped up over twits teeeting on Twitter. 

 

It’s out of a damn movie script, ripping off someone’s helmet then smashing them in the head with it. There is no place for that in the game at any level. I don’t need the media to tell me that. He should be suspended for a long time.

[uticaclub]

At least Pouncey beat the crap out him. Our players would have just stood around waiting for someone else to do something, like they did when Gronk elbow dropped White. Process

[Doc Brown]

15 minutes ago, JohnnyGold said:

 

I gotta say: I agree with you.
I've watched that video several times and... I just don't see it. I don't see where the complete and total outrage comes from.

To those saying he could have killed him: I mean, he DID hit him in the head, with the leading edge of the helmet, and Rudolph was 100% fine. I'm not going to try to understand the thoughts going through Garret's mind, or his intentions, but is it possible he took some mustard off his swing so as to NOT injure him. Because a lot of the panic this morning seems to be centered on "imagine if he had hit him in the head and killed him!", and, again, he DID hit him in the head. Intentionally. With the most dangerous angle of the weapon. And Rudolph was very obviously fine.

I'm way, way, way more fascinated with the battle lines being drawn so quickly, and how the internet escalates that process. It's 2019 America at it's finest. It's the most egregious thing EVER that needs a HISTORIC suspension and NO ROOM FOR DEBATE. Every week there's a new headline to get our dopamine receptors activated, a new outrage of historic proportions that we will surely still be talking about tomorrow at lunch (we won't).

Anyways, I'm open to changing my mind on my stance, but after reading through this thread I still don't see a justification for anything more than... a 2 game ban? Maybe, MAYBE 4 because the other player was defenseless, in the sense that they were without their helmet.

 

The NFL dished out large sums of money to settle concussion lawsuit with former players.  They've made major rule changes to avoid plays that increase the likelihood of a concussion.  A player took off an opposing player's helmet and struck him in the head with it.  If you think the penalty is only a few games suspension you're not that bright.

[BillsFanNC]

Prediction? Well this is as bad or worse than what Gronk did to Tre White..so if the NFL deems it twice as bad as what Gronk did...then 2 games.

 

He should get at minimum a whole season. 16 games.

[Chaos]

The real question should be: what will his sentence be for assault and battery? 

[H2o]

I think he gets 4 games. This is on the same level as Haynesworth raking his cleat across a guy's exposed head. 

 

On a side note, the rematch in a little over two weeks should be fun to watch. 

Edited November 15, 2019 by H2o

[PatsFanNH]

6 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The NFL is so bizarre and unpredictable with stuff like this.

 

I am going to say four games. It should be the rest of the season. They will screw it up some way. There is zero excuse for it, and it really could have injured Rudolph badly.

 

What say you?

Should be the rest of the year, probably be 4 games.  That said I like the fact Mayfield called Garrett out for acting that way. About time someone in that organization at least tried a t like a leader.

[thenorthremembers]

Rest of the season including any post season games the Browns may or may not make.

[dtgolder]

6 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

He should never play another down ever.

 

Ever.

Agree. He should be tried in the courts for aggravated assault and receive jail time. Lifetime suspension from NFL