Nextmanup Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 13 hours ago, Mark Vader said: 14 teams in the playoffs? Lame! But it's all about money. That playoff seeding example is awful. Only the #1 seed gets the bye? 14 teams in the playoffs may be lame, but the current setup with an off week for the best teams is also lame. The Super Bowl is easily the easiest championship to win among the 4 major sports in N. America. The path to the championship game is awfully short. I'm all in favor of making it a longer, harder, more entertaining process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 This sucks if true. I love the playoff format the way it is now with the exception of not seeding the teams by their record (division winners should make it but not guaranteed a home game). Six out of 16 teams is the perfect ratio as it preserves the importance of the regular season while still allowing for a playoff cinderella story. It also rewards the two best teams in the conference with first round byes further emphasizing the importance of the regular season. Of course the NFL will ruin it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 11 hours ago, Limeaid said: I do not see how the league makes money adding one playoff game per conference and eliminating 16 (or 32) preseason games including parking, concessions and sales in shop. they are also getting a 17 game regular season slate with elimination of that preseason game 11 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: This scenario has been floated by MTC on NFLR for two years. It makes sense and less preseason is a great thing. The league and the NFLPA both win. More $ for both sides. I wonder if they get a second bye as a concession. That would make players happy. Kirwan and Mills made the case that the last six years as of last year the #7 wild card seed wood have a 9-7 or better record. The division winner will never change and there is always the possibility a division winner has a worse record like Seattle several years ago. Sounds like a good negotiation. maybe expanded Rosters as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 16 hours ago, dneveu said: Can't blame them... each team only plays 16 games which is by far the lowest. Yankee stadium seats 47,000 - if they make the playoffs, they'll play a max of 11 home games. The patriots finish with the best record and they get 2. Ticket revenue is such a small part of the pie, I really don't think the owners care that much about that. I mean sure, they'll take the extra money.... but they make WAY more from TV. NFL vs MLB: Revenue Which league makes more money, NFL or MLB? Since there are only 256 regular-season NFL games each year and 2,430 yearly MLB matchups, you’d think that the bigger overall revenue stream would go to baseball. But it doesn’t. Last season, the NFL made $14 billion in total revenue, which was over $900 million more than they made the season before and a $6 billion increase from 2010. The MLB, on the other hand, made $9.46 billion in revenue last season, up 4.8% from the prior season when they made a total of $9.03 billion. NFL teams average more revenue, as well. NFL sponsorship revenue reached $1.32 billion in the 2017-18 season, with beer, trucks and fast food being among the largest spenders. MLB sponsorship revenue was $892 million in the 2017 season, which was a 7.9 percent increase from the previous year when they made $827 million. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfloBillsFan Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 In a league where player safety is harped I don't understand how NFL even considers a bye week a team. Teams in other conferences and divisions don't play the same team and the schedule can be skewed. For a sport as physically demanding as football as, that extra week off is huge to let players rest. Having the home field advantage throughout the playoffs should be adequate reward for having best record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 34 minutes ago, BfloBillsFan said: In a league where player safety is harped I don't understand how NFL even considers a bye week a team. Teams in other conferences and divisions don't play the same team and the schedule can be skewed. For a sport as physically demanding as football as, that extra week off is huge to let players rest. Having the home field advantage throughout the playoffs should be adequate reward for having best record. I think eventually they go to 16 team playoff slate once expansion occurs and they move to an 18 game regular season. Too much to try and bit off this CBA so instead add another team in each conference and a 17 game slate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 15 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I think they should just do away with divisions all together. Just do a 16 team afc 16 team nfc. You play everyone in your own conference once so every tiebreaker can go head to head and then if they go 17 game season, you play 2 out of conference games every year that go on rotation. Then the playoffs the top seed gets a bye and plays the winner of that 4vs5 game I agree get rid of divisions. But no way just play your own conference.That would be awful. Need more out of conference games not less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Eliminating the bye for the #2 seed will probably result in a lot more #1 seeds making the Super Bowl. Regardless, here's what I would do: Division winners and WCs are decided same as today, and those are your 7 teams #1 seed gets bye and home field Seeding for the rest of the playoff field is decided by record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Makes it hard to perceive the sport in any serious way when nearly half the league goes to the playoffs. What’s next, 16 teams make the playoffs, what’s next after that, 20 teams make the playoffs. Everyone gets a star ⭐️ ⭐️⭐️ I guess it’s a way to get the Bills into the post season most every year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 22 hours ago, Mark Vader said: 14 teams in the playoffs? Lame! But it's all about money. That playoff seeding example is awful. Only the #1 seed gets the bye? Might as well go for 16 and have a true 8 team double ladder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Nextmanup said: 14 teams in the playoffs may be lame, but the current setup with an off week for the best teams is also lame. The Super Bowl is easily the easiest championship to win among the 4 major sports in N. America. The path to the championship game is awfully short. I'm all in favor of making it a longer, harder, more entertaining process. 14 teams is just too many. It'll be like the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I want to throw up. People happy now? We'll have an 8-8 team in the playoffs every other year now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Nextmanup said: 14 teams in the playoffs may be lame, but the current setup with an off week for the best teams is also lame. The Super Bowl is easily the easiest championship to win among the 4 major sports in N. America. The path to the championship game is awfully short. While it has the shortest path (possible by week, maximum 4 games required to win the tournament ) , it may not be the easiest to win.Only 7 MLB franchises have not won a World Series. That’s the fewest of all the major sports. 12 NFL franchises have yet to hoist the Lombardi at season’s end. Edited November 15, 2019 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 14 in the playoffs is still not half, but 43.7%. This was the real goal all along with the NFL owners to ask and put out there 18 game regular season so the NFLPA would feel like they won something by settling 17 games, and 2 extra wildcard games. Im not saying I want it or not, I’m just saying I expected it. I can’t stand four preseason games so 17 and only 2 preseason games, if that is what they decide will have it’s finer points. As well as some competitive practices so each team can properly evaluate their players for the final 53. As mentioned earlier, I think a proper concession is to dress all 53, and increase the practice squad by two. A second bye would be a concession, but the NFL is sensitive to how long the season and playoffs take. There are merits to either side. I want the players to make more $, as well as the owners. The issue not really addressed is what to do about cutting older decent players because of salary minimums for vets vs. taking on more young players. I’m proud of Beane and McD keeping Lorax and Gore although the % of runs to Gore vs. Singletary needs to be flipped. That is a separate issue, and really don’t know what either side can do to retain the role veteran players who can still contribute. Maybe all ow the player to voluntarily take less than the respective minimum if they so choose to keep playing. I don’t know and happy to hear ideas. I know this about the initial topic, but this a growing problem for these 30 year old guys who can still play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I love the idea of only one playoff bye per conference, although my preference would be no byes whatsoever. I'm excited about an extra game, probably at a neutral site, for each team. Really nice to hear they're making such good progress so we avoid the thought of a strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 2:22 PM, dneveu said: I'd do division leaders tbh - gives a division title some sort of meaning - you get a home playoff game. Wonder how they'll do tv schedule wildcard weekend with 6 games. I assume you have 2 1 PM and 430 PM games - then do you have sat and sun night? Sun and monday? Division leaders at home and 1-4-7 21 hours ago, MJS said: I want to throw up. People happy now? We'll have an 8-8 team in the playoffs every other year now. seems dramatic even if we do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 With 7 playoff teams per conference, the Bills record of 17 years without playoffs will look even more impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 7:29 PM, Limeaid said: I do not see how the league makes money adding one playoff game per conference and eliminating 16 (or 32) preseason games including parking, concessions and sales in shop. they keep the season ticket price the same, and sell tv rights for those two games for more than the entire preseason value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: they keep the season ticket price the same, and sell tv rights for those two games for more than the entire preseason value? Doubt it since some teams (not Bills) sell out even preseason games or have so many season tickets non-sold tickets are a drop in the bucket. However I have been told that smaller domed stadium with PSLs and no place to tailgate will bring Bills income to par. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Doubt it since some teams (not Bills) sell out even preseason games or have so many season tickets non-sold tickets are a drop in the bucket. However I have been told that smaller domed stadium with PSLs and no place to tailgate will bring Bills income to par. only teams selling out preseason games are either 100% season tix (even dropping preseason teams will keep the package price the same) or running incredibly absurd specials and giving away tickets galore. And the money isn’t in ticket sales but tv rights. I venture NBC would spend more in these 2 games than 20 preseason games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 80 games, 100 man rosters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 There's no point of a regular season. Hell, why stop at 14? Just let it be a 32 team tournament to end the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 22 hours ago, Mark Vader said: 14 teams is just too many. It'll be like the NBA. I don't follow the NBA at all, but I personally LOVE the first round of the NHL playoffs every year. You have 2 or 3 games a night, every night, and some of the fiercest play comes in that first series, b/c it is kind of the entire playoffs for weaker teams so they play all out as that 1 series is going to be their entire playoffs. In a football context, I'm afraid there will be a lot of crappy first round games where 1 team is much better than the other and easily wins, and the game becomes a formality. But there will also be a few upsets now and again I'm sure, which would spice things up. It would also mean franchises like the Buffalo Bills will get to see more playoff action, which has to be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Been waiting for this. Over half the teams in the NBA make the playoffs and 50% of them do in the NHL. This will be less than 50%. And only teams with the best record in each conference gets a first round bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 So this is definitely happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 3:22 PM, dneveu said: I'd do division leaders tbh - gives a division title some sort of meaning - you get a home playoff game. Wonder how they'll do tv schedule wildcard weekend with 6 games. I assume you have 2 1 PM and 430 PM games - then do you have sat and sun night? Sun and monday? For playoff WC weekend sat and sun games 1 430 and 8 saturday night expn sunday night nbc others on cbs/fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 2 hours ago, arcane said: So this is definitely happening? Let's hope not. This is the worst thing the NFL could do, in my opinion. Close 2nd is switching to college overtime rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 3:23 PM, Mark Vader said: 14 teams in the playoffs? Lame! But it's all about money. That playoff seeding example is awful. Only the #1 seed gets the bye? I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't like the #1 seed only getting the bye. I'd rather have it like it is now (2 teams getting the bye) or just go with a 16 team playoff and no byes....division winners get home field advantage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Victory Formation Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 What’s next? Every team gets a participation trophy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 On 11/15/2019 at 2:14 PM, MJS said: I want to throw up. People happy now? We'll have an 8-8 team in the playoffs every other year now. how can you say this as a Bills fan lol. this is great news. the NFL season is absurdly short. playoffs should have been expanded a decade ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 what a truly awful idea. There's a lot of years where the 6th seed doesn't even deserve to be there. More injuries, likely lower quality of on-field product, and ruining the record books. All for what? A few a extra bucks. I guess that's America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 27 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: what a truly awful idea. There's a lot of years where the 6th seed doesn't even deserve to be there. More injuries, likely lower quality of on-field product, and ruining the record books. All for what? A few a extra bucks. I guess that's America. 4 teams since 2000 have won the super bowl as the wild card team. 4 in 19 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I love it. Gets another team in the dance and this will erase a lot of the gimme the last week of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Terrible. It's good the way it is. Playoffs should be exclusive. Once again, money talks I guess. ??♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: what a truly awful idea. There's a lot of years where the 6th seed doesn't even deserve to be there. More injuries, likely lower quality of on-field product, and ruining the record books. All for what? A few a extra bucks. I guess that's America. This is already a QB driven league without enough good ones. Adding more playoffs teams basically means we’d consistently get to see the Trubisky’s of the world in playoffs. Count me out, I’ll start watching after the wild card round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) Perfect time to get rid of divisions then. Make one AFC and NFC conference, every team plays everyone in their conference. Expand the league to 34 teams and the only way you see the NFC is in the SB. Best team in each conference gets 1st rd bye. It's prob the fairest setup you could see in the league when you have a team like the Pats owning a division for almost 15 years getting a ticket to the SB every other year. Edited November 17, 2019 by Real McCoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 3:24 PM, jwhit34 said: The top record would get a bye and the 3 other division winners would host the playoff games vs. the 3 wild cards. The league will want to preserve the value of winning the division. That's the most sensible approach. They can cut the number of remaining teams to 4 in each division the first week of the playoffs then hold quarterfinals the next week, semis the following week and conference finals the fourth week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Tesla03 said: how can you say this as a Bills fan lol. this is great news. the NFL season is absurdly short. playoffs should have been expanded a decade ago. Because I don't want to see diluted playoff football and I don't think want the NFL to turn into other sports that let half their teams in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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