Big Blitz Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 First today---I tried to pay attention to him more....it looked like we cut his snaps. Do we have a count from the game? But anyway overall I see a guy that just doesn't get off his blocks. He does a good job eating space and being tough to move.....but you can work around that in the NFL where they have no problem with that so long as it's one on one. Double team space eating is what you want. His get off really is phenomenal. But you can trap and attack that. I think that's happened a bunch and it's just a fixable issue with coaching. So far, and please post clips whatever you got but I don't see too many double teams lately. And obviously teams have found something when it comes to running on us. Our DTs are going to have to turn it up with the teams we've got coming up. Overall I'd grade the first half of his rookie season as a C-. Definitely going to get better with experience. Like Allen, he's had to adjust to much stiffer competition. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: First today---I tried to pay attention to him more....it looked like we cut his snaps. Do we have a count from the game? But anyway overall I see a guy that just doesn't get off his blocks. He does a good job eating space and being tough to move.....but you can work around that in the NFL where they have no problem with that so long as it's one on one. Double team space eating is what you want. His get off really is phenomenal. But you can trap and attack that. I think that's happened a bunch and it's just a fixable issue with coaching. So far, and please post clips whatever you got but I don't see too many double teams lately. And obviously teams have found something when it comes to running on us. Our DTs are going to have to turn it up with the teams we've got coming up. Overall I'd grade the first half of his rookie season as a C-. Definitely going to get better with experience. Like Allen, he's had to adjust to much stiffer competition. Sounds about right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Aaron Donald my ass. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 When we drafted him I figured he’d have more of a presence with making plays in the backfield and getting to the QB. He’s having a very quiet season. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 (edited) Oliver def isn't looking as good as I thought he would virtually no contribution to the defense this season other than a few QB hurries and tipped balls. I was really pissed Hockenson went right before us I thought he would have been our franchise TE here. Edited November 3, 2019 by Tesla03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Man I hope this kid can get much better. Hopefully he can be coached up. Otherwise huge first round whiff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 (edited) Really, he is looking at a D based upon draft hype and spot. Cannot really tell what he is going to be, as a slow start is not surprising given the school he played for. That said: Edited November 3, 2019 by Paulus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I absolutely loved this pick on draft day, and I am starting to get worried. Not sure what the issue is, but I hope it gets sorted out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 He was benched, i.e., he did not start the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Little Oliver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 The kid off the practice squad made a nice play.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgrappler Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 He invisible this season. That’s a failing grade in my book! What do they expect with his size..... he’s not built for that position in the nfl. Our management knows personnel pretty well but Oliver as a DT in the nfl I question. Thank gosh they got Jordan Phillips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 There's so much going on during a live game, its really hard to keep track of players. However, Joe Buscaglia does a weekly grade on each player using the All-22 video from each play of every game. The results are published each Wednesday after the game. He also has cumulative ratings over the season. Through the Eagles game, Oliver is the #8 ranked player from his analysis that includes both offense and defense. He's the #2 ranked D-lineman after Hughes and is ranked higher than Matt Milano, Tremaine Edmunds and Jordan Poyer. We can have our flash thoughts on this, but its really true that you need to study the film in its totality 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 We should convert him to middle LB, and move Edmonds outside ? 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 1. I think he is learning to play the game at this level 2. I think he has hit the preverbal "rookie wall" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Funny, there was a poster here who called this the day lil' Ed was drafted. Wonder what happened to that guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 He's going to need more time and experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Well when you play next to stiffs the opposing line can run away from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: First today---I tried to pay attention to him more....it looked like we cut his snaps. Do we have a count from the game? But anyway overall I see a guy that just doesn't get off his blocks. He does a good job eating space and being tough to move.....but you can work around that in the NFL where they have no problem with that so long as it's one on one. Double team space eating is what you want. His get off really is phenomenal. But you can trap and attack that. I think that's happened a bunch and it's just a fixable issue with coaching. So far, and please post clips whatever you got but I don't see too many double teams lately. And obviously teams have found something when it comes to running on us. Our DTs are going to have to turn it up with the teams we've got coming up. Overall I'd grade the first half of his rookie season as a C-. Definitely going to get better with experience. Like Allen, he's had to adjust to much stiffer competition. He just has not been very good. He did nothing today. I noticed that on 2 Petersen’s big runs in the first run, Oliver was blown off the ball. I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: He just has not been very good. He did nothing today. I noticed that on 2 Petersen’s big runs in the first run, Oliver was blown off the ball. I I actually did NOT see him get blown off the ball.....he just didnt make the play. I think the real problem is he hasnt been our best DT when we drafted him so high....Jordan Phillips has been a monster and deserves to get paid....Oliver is doing more then the DT that was drafted ahead of him in this last draft. He has been good against the run....but we all know that is not enough for such a high pick....also need to remember he is a rookie. He needs to continue to work on his pass rush technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 How many people in this thread actually know what is happening on the field, has watched every one of his plays on A22 and aren't just basing things off the stat sheet? Just need to know who to actually listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, HardyBoy said: How many people in this thread actually know what is happening on the field, has watched every one of his plays on A22 and aren't just basing things off the stat sheet? Just need to know who to actually listen to. You also did not ask about what his assignment is for each play- which is very important. He might be doing one job very well but not another and we will never know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: First today---I tried to pay attention to him more....it looked like we cut his snaps. Do we have a count from the game? But anyway overall I see a guy that just doesn't get off his blocks. He does a good job eating space and being tough to move.....but you can work around that in the NFL where they have no problem with that so long as it's one on one. Double team space eating is what you want. His get off really is phenomenal. But you can trap and attack that. I think that's happened a bunch and it's just a fixable issue with coaching. So far, and please post clips whatever you got but I don't see too many double teams lately. And obviously teams have found something when it comes to running on us. Our DTs are going to have to turn it up with the teams we've got coming up. Overall I'd grade the first half of his rookie season as a C-. Definitely going to get better with experience. Like Allen, he's had to adjust to much stiffer competition. He's out of position like Edmunds. Ed is too small to be a 1tech dt and not quite fast enough (yet) to be a pass rushing de. He will get better but we have to find him a spot? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said: He's out of position like Edmunds. Ed is too small to be a 1tech dt and not quite fast enough (yet) to be a pass rushing de. He will get better but we have to find him a spot? Maybe we could convert him to WR, to take the place of the guy we SHOULD have taken in the first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I thought he would be more destructive. Dominate in college not in the big boy league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: He's out of position like Edmunds. Ed is too small to be a 1tech dt and not quite fast enough (yet) to be a pass rushing de. He will get better but we have to find him a spot? I think you are correct- right now his quickness is being neutralized too often by one lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 With a rookie making his first ever start, they went with size because we knew they were going to run a ton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Wow. People losing their minds like usual. Give the kid a chance. He's a rookie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: He's out of position like Edmunds. Ed is too small to be a 1tech dt and not quite fast enough (yet) to be a pass rushing de. He will get better but we have to find him a spot? He’s not a defensive end. He’s not out of position, he’s a rookie. He’s made impacts that don’t show up on the stat sheet which is why he’s been the consistent leader in snaps among DT’s. We went with size today. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class_of_2012 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Maybe we could convert him to WR, to take the place of the guy we SHOULD have taken in the first? And who would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, class_of_2012 said: And who would that be? The guy I've been harping about since draft day: Metcalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 He needs to spend more time learning the game with Kyle Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 The people thinking he was going to be Aaron Donald right out of the gate clearly didn’t watch Ed or Aaron in college. Aaron was polished as a pass rusher coming out. His technique and pass rush moves were very good to go along with elite athleticism. Ed played out of position and relied a lot on his bull rush and athleticism. His pass rush technique and moves are very raw. Ed needs to work on them a lot but he does show flashes that he can do it. He’s a rookie at a tough position on top of being raw. He has the strength and athleticism, just needs to learn and continue to add to his game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: The guy I've been harping about since draft day: Metcalf. I think Oliver will be fine. I liked the pick. Always love building in the trenches first. But yea if we all had it over again I think 80 percent of us would say DK. Absolutely nothing against Oliver. Just saying this offense desperately needs his prototype at WR. Just now, Not at the table Karlos said: The people thinking he was going to be Aaron Donald right out of the gate clearly didn’t watch Ed or Aaron in college. Aaron was polished as a pass rusher coming out. His technique and pass rush moves were very good to go along with elite athleticism. Ed played out of position and relied a lot on his bull rush and athleticism. His pass rush technique and moves are very raw. Ed needs to work on them a lot but he does show flashes that he can do it. He’s a rookie at a tough position on top of being raw. He has the strength and athleticism, just needs to learn and continue to add to his game. Agree with this 100 percent. Still see the talent there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Need to cut back on his playing time. He'll get better with time and seasoning, but right now he is more liability than asset. Needs to meat up and get stronger from my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I'm just glad he made it to the game through the snowstorm he encountered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUNT750 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I think you are correct- right now his quickness is being neutralized too often by one lineman. But - his "metrics" are wonderful even if he can't make plays??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 59 minutes ago, MJS said: Wow. People losing their minds like usual. Give the kid a chance. He's a rookie. Defensive rookies who are very good usually make an early impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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